Iceland, the revolution will not be televised

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well that it says "Greece should do the same" at the end is laughable as the problems are completely different in Greece. But yeah it doesn't surprise me that it's not televised here, but it probably wouldn't make much money for the televisors.
 

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Behind every irresponsible borrower deep in debt is an irresponsible lender. About the most radical and dangerous thing you can suggest these days is that to rectify debt getting out of control, lenders need to take a hit. For Greece that means a sovereign default (or "restructuring" as they like to call it), for Americans, that means banks finally taking a hit.
 

Jhhnn

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Of course it won't be televised- debt repudiation is the ultimate non-violent rejection of the power elite. It leaves them powerless.

Who owns & operates the Media, anyway? The little people? Hardly. First world citizens have been ruthlessly indoctrinated & manipulated through the media from the time they were old enough to understand words, and that hasn't been some great act of benevolence, at all.
 
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It is all a bit strange.

Landbanki was on a blacklist that bankers in the Netherlands and Britain use. Landbanki and icesave was allowed on the Dutch and English market while it should not have been. As it turns out, it is a stupid EU rule that EU members cannot refuse foreign banks from entering local markets. :eek:

What EU members can do is set very strict rules but in this case these rules where not followed. DNB (De Nederlandse Bank) had meetings with landbanki, but landbanki refused to co-operate with the DNB. And the DNB did not act more forcefully as they should have.
What happened is that in may 2008, a lot of people transferred their savings(money) to the accounts of icesave. 1,6 billion euro from the Dutch savers and 4.5 billion pounds from the UK savers.

In October 2008, people in Holland (and Great Britain i assume, i only have the short background version of the Netherlands) where told that icesave was not able to perform financial services because of liquidity problems of parent company landbanki. Iceland nationalizes landbanki as solution to take over the debt. The icesave website is no longer reachable and there is a lot of uncertainty for Dutch and British people who where now thinking they lost there savings.

In November 2008 IMF and some EU countries provide a loan to Iceland to cover the debt and the savings that has to be payed back. The Netherlands and Iceland reach in June 2009 an agreement where Iceland get the chance to pay the (remaining ?)1.3 billion euro back over a period of 15 years. Then in July 2009 Iceland want to become a EU member which The Netherlands and the UK are not all to happy about.

In august 2009 the agreement is again discussed between Iceland, the Netherlands and Great Britain. But Iceland is being unclear about certain conditions.

In December 2009 Iceland votes for a new law(probably tax or something) to pay back the debt to the Netherlands and Great Britain. 31 December President Olafur Ragnar Grimsson refuses to sign the law. In January 2010 a quarter of the Icelandic people sign a petition where they state that they refuse to pay back the money. Olafur Ragnar Grimsson refuses to sign the law and new meetings between Iceland and the Netherlands and Great Britain are held for a new agreement. In November 2010 Iceland has agreed to pay back the money (but as expected over a large period of time).

Deena Stryker has a point. Iceland had a lot of debt. And that is why icesave and landbanki where on a blacklist that banks maintain in Europe. The DNB (De Nederlandse Bank)has to check foreign providers of financial services but could not prevent landbanki because of stupid EU rules about the free market. The DNB did act, but not strong enough.

The real perpetrators are not the citizens of Iceland people. But the people in Iceland who caused the financial troubles by liberating and privatizing everything without thinking of the consequences. The landbanki people and more of those financial idiots.

From the article (OP)
Five years of a pure neo-liberal regime had made Iceland, (population 320 thousand, no army), one of the richest countries in the world. In 2003 all the country’s banks were privatized, and in an effort to attract foreign investors, they offered on-line banking whose minimal costs allowed them to offer relatively high rates of return. The accounts, called IceSave, attracted many English and Dutch small investors. But as investments grew, so did the banks’ foreign debt. In 2003 Iceland’s debt was equal to 200 times its GNP, but in 2007, it was 900 percent. The 2008 world financial crisis was the coup de grace. The three main Icelandic banks, Landbanki, Kapthing and Glitnir, went belly up and were nationalized, while the Kroner lost 85% of its value with respect to the Euro. At the end of the year Iceland declared bankruptcy.
 
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monovillage

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

-Margaret Thatcher
 
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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

-Margaret Thatcher

In a sense that is true. That is why it must be enforced from kindergarten on that work is good. Socialism is a good thing as a safety net. Not as a means to get free money. But at the same time, the government must be kept in check by routine efficiency control to prevent lobbying and to prevent not useful laws and to protect the people against the always existing corporate sociopaths.
Compromises are a good thing but also the art of compromises can be put to shame.
 
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It is all a bit strange.

Landbanki was on a blacklist that bankers in the Netherlands and Britain use. Landbanki and icesave was allowed on the Dutch and English market while it should not have been. As it turns out, it is a stupid EU rule that EU members cannot refuse foreign banks from entering local markets. :eek:

. . .

The real perpetrators are not the citizens of Iceland people. But the people in Iceland who caused the financial troubles by liberating and privatizing everything without thinking of the consequences. The landbanki people and more of those financial idiots.

From the article (OP)

Sounds like Dutch propaganda to me and clearly the Dutch and the British tried to perpetrate a financial attack against the noble Icelandic people.
 

Fox5

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So is the article right, is Iceland really undergoing a miraculous recovery? It didn't provide any numbers to support that.

In decades past, Iceland's decision would have meant war, and they'd be in a much worse position as they lost a war and were forced to repay all the debt.
 
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Lies? You're the one spreading hate against the Icelandic people, even posting propaganda and comments that clearly show a British and Dutch financial attack against Iceland. The UK and the Netherlands went against EU law in an attempt to sabotage Iceland. Clearly the British and the Dutch were threatened by Iceland's economic rise and did a preemptive attack against the noble vikings. Who knows what else these countries did?
 
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So is the article right, is Iceland really undergoing a miraculous recovery? It didn't provide any numbers to support that.

In decades past, Iceland's decision would have meant war, and they'd be in a much worse position as they lost a war and were forced to repay all the debt.

Good luck going to war against a bunch of vikings. I can just imagine it now, a bunch of british people (now too militarily weak) and dutchmen (perpetrators of the most cowardly military act of modern times) coming up onto the shores of iceland and having to face down some viking monsters. It wouldn't be pretty.
 
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Lies? You're the one spreading hate against the Icelandic people, even posting propaganda and comments that clearly show a British and Dutch financial attack against Iceland. The UK and the Netherlands went against EU law in an attempt to sabotage Iceland. Clearly the British and the Dutch were threatened by Iceland's economic rise and did a preemptive attack against the noble vikings. Who knows what else these countries did?

Well, broken record, it seems you are still the one who changes words and lies. Congratulations ! You win the title of supreme troll :
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Ah, so you must be either British or Dutch. Probably Dutch from your posting style.

Makes sense. You're on full super patriot mode.
 
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Ah, so you must be either British or Dutch. Probably Dutch from your posting style.

Makes sense. You're on full super patriot mode.

I am part British, Indian, Bosnian, Dutch, and Icelander...:p


And i support the caste system to prevent rabidmongooses from spreading.
 
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To come back to Iceland and forget the lonely forum troll who needs occasionally some attention too(probably got another game account ban)...
It is interesting to read how the financial situation in Iceland went so bad even before the credit crisis in 2008. Now i realize how little i know about what happened to Iceland. Time to read up and search through news articles.
 
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Michael Lewis had a good article on Iceland's financial issues in Vanity Fair a while back. However, I felt that it didn't cover the Dutch and British attacks against the Icelandic people much at all.

Anyways, we clearly need to get more information here from someone who is not in super patriot mode like William Gaatjes, he clearly supports the cowardly dutch attacks on Iceland since he is Dutch himself. I would hope that the US backs Iceland in this one and makes it very very clear that the US will place economic sanctions on the Netherlands if they dare to infringe on Iceland in any way.
 
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How did Iceland get in such a worse situation ?
The electrical energy is produced with hot water heated because of underground volcanic activity. The hot water is also used for heating and keeping roads ice and snow free.

Iceland captures and exports a lot of fish.

Iceland export aluminum and since they have green electricity at the fraction of the cost when compared to other power plants, processing aluminum ore (bauxite) is cheaper when compared with other countries.
 

peonyu

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Iceland is a drop in the bucket, it only has 300,000 people there. Its basically a City state. What happens there cant easily happen in other places. All of the changes happening in the West which are not very noticable at first in larger nations [such as mass immigration, bad financial policies etc] are readily apparent in a small city state nation like Iceland to everyone living there. If the masses disagree with whats happening, then yes there is going to be trouble asap. In the UK or another large nation the media can just sweep it under the rug as "trouble hits X city" and people forget about it..
 
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Michael Lewis had a good article on Iceland's financial issues in Vanity Fair a while back. However, I felt that it didn't cover the Dutch and British attacks against the Icelandic people much at all.

Anyways, we clearly need to get more information here from someone who is not in super patriot mode like William Gaatjes, he clearly supports the cowardly dutch attacks on Iceland since he is Dutch himself. I would hope that the US backs Iceland in this one and makes it very very clear that the US will place economic sanctions on the Netherlands if they dare to infringe on Iceland in any way.


Are you making personal attacks ?
 
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How did Iceland get in such a worse situation ?
The electrical energy is produced with hot water heated because of underground volcanic activity. The hot water is also used for heating and keeping roads ice and snow free.

Iceland captures and exports a lot of fish.

Iceland export aluminum and since they have green electricity at the fraction of the cost when compared to other power plants, processing aluminum ore (bauxite) is cheaper when compared with other countries.

Part of it is the repeated economic attacks by the British and the Dutch as you earlier displayed. Take the example of fish. Even the British tried to steal Icelandic fish at the barrel of a gun some years ago.

Iceland will be back onto the road to prosperity soon. They don't need the UK or the Dutch and will survive their economic attacks.