ICE To Refuses Processing Of Illegal Immigrants From Arizona

[bob4432]

Well, if anyone had bothered to read the little Chicago tribune link, as if we should actually expect people to read, they could not miss the Morton Statement of, "Morton said the government's stepped-up enforcement would result in a "sharp increase" in deportations this year. Last year's 400,000 overall deportations were a record, but this year there has already been a 40 percent jump in deportations of criminals, he said."

So its not like the Obama administration is being even more lax than GWB, his administration is in fact doing better and better than GWB&co ever did in two out of two years running.

But still, Arizona point granted, in a small swath by the Mexican border, illegal immigrant criminality AND DRUG RUNNING has grown to be a life threatening problem in those same small areas. So even as a Liberal, I have to have some sympathy for Arizona, but at the same time, if Az decides to buck the Feds just to gain GOP political brownie points, they cut their own throats. And sadly, controlling the export of assault rifles in the USA is another dimension of the problem. But but but, its GOP easier to blame Obama than it is to blame the NRA policies.

before you show more ignorance, please read about "the export of assault rifles in the USA"...the mexican cartels are not getting the guns from the US even though you left wing retards can't grasp that reality. you have the opinion of a child, "if i say it is x amount of times it will be real", sorry, it is not. it has been proven by the atf that the guns aren't coming from the US but you fucking retards won't even listen to the atf, who don't have the best record w/ the gun crowd anyway.

all of you people who think it this is no big deal, why don't you vacation in southern AZ? i am sure some ranchers on the border will let you camp on their land so you can see the reality of what happens. i am sure some of you won't come back though as you will be just be another statistics for an issue you won't understand until then, at which point it will be to late as you are mummifying near some tree or are buried in a shallow grave by this "non-issue".

 

[shortylickens]

This is getting fvckin ridicilious...Obama is going to have a full scale riot on his hands if he continues to keep his head in the sand....Isnt' the number of Americans who support AZ over 70% now?

I think a riot may be the only real action here. Everyone else seems to be using words and not doing anything.
A riot would actually have to be dealt with, not flamed or argued. It would either force Obama to do SOMETHING productive, or show America how incompetent he can really be, in which case he is gone next election. Even the millions of hispanics he gave campaign speeches to will refuse to vote for him again if he cant take action one way or the other. No wonder he's pushing so hard for amnesty. Even the brain dead ultra libs who wanna give our country away to the mexicans are starting to hate him. He's running out of allies.

Dont get me wrong, I like the guy, I think he's smart, I think he could have done a lot for this country, but he is thoroughly fucking up every opportunity he's had to show us his leadership ability. At this point I would be grateful if he didnt cause too many more problems.

 

[EXman]

Arrest and then put the illegals to work building that fence..... or the one between us and Mexico might make more sense.... you think???

This has been my plan for years... It is so common sense I do not understand why it cannot be done.

We have criminals raping and killing people and we cannot do a thing to them or even find them. Locally we had an illegal alien hit a lady while drunk. he gave them a bogus name got released, she died and now they cannot find him. He's gone to your town.

 

[dahunan]

John Morton (the head of ICE) saying that ICE will not process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona.

The federal government refusing to do its job and enforce its own laws?

Glad to hear there are some real men left in America

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Glad to hear there are some real men left in America

Yeah, those real men -- not performing the job they're paid to do. Bravo, indeed.

 

[dahunan]

Yeah, those real men -- not performing the job they're paid to do. Bravo, indeed.

Fed vs State or what

I don't agree with the insanity you people create over "Illegals" get back to work

At least they came here to better their lives and aren't seeking to do so by means of enslavement and murder and by force

You want to deal with this problem.. you will have to fix why they come here.. stop being cruel to humans who are probably FAR MORE LIKE YOU than you care to realize.

Have a nice life

 

[spacejamz]

At least they came here to better their lives and aren't seeking to do so by means of enslavement and murder and by force

Have a nice life

Did I miss your explanation on why illegals who compromise only 5% of the population are responsible for 40% of the violent crimes in AZ? Or why Phoenix is 2nd in the world in kidnapping?

 

[dahunan]

Did I miss your explanation on why illegals who compromise only 5% of the population are responsible for 40% of the violent crimes in AZ? Or why Phoenix is 2nd in the world in kidnapping?

Ask the people of AZ... maybe these people come into their state and they treat them bad and look at them like they are scum and in their hearts they see themselves as superior humans and the ILLEGALS as a disease ...

^^^^ well they get what they give

 

[spacejamz]

Ask the people of AZ... maybe these people come into their state and they treat them bad and look at them like they are scum and in their hearts they see themselves as superior humans and the ILLEGALS as a disease ...

^^^^ well they get what they give

Just as I figured.. you don't have an explanation and just continue to spew your bullshit...

 

[her209]

It'd be more effective if they eliminated their reason for being there...work. Go after those who employ them and go after them hard. Of course that would the fine upstanding citizens of AZ and that wouldn't go over too well in the Polls.

You mean, make Arizona enforce already existing law (THE LEGAL ARIZONA WORKERS ACT) that was passed and signed by then Gov. Napolitano?

http://www.ailadownloads.org/advo/ArizonaHB2779.pdf

ARTICLE 2. EMPLOYMENT OF UNAUTHORIZED ALIENS

23-211. Definitions

2. "BASIC PILOT PROGRAM" MEANS THE BASIC EMPLOYMENT VERIFICATION PILOT PROGRAM AS JOINTLY ADMINISTERED BY THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION OR ITS SUCCESSOR PROGRAM.

23-214. Verification of employment eligibility; basic pilot program
AFTER DECEMBER 31, 2007, EVERY EMPLOYER, AFTER HIRING AN EMPLOYEE, SHALL VERIFY THE EMPLOYMENT ELIGIBILITY OF THE EMPLOYEE THROUGH THE BASIC PILOT PROGRAM.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Fed vs State or what

I don't agree with the insanity you people create over "Illegals" get back to work

At least they came here to better their lives and aren't seeking to do so by means of enslavement and murder and by force

You want to deal with this problem.. you will have to fix why they come here.. stop being cruel to humans who are probably FAR MORE LIKE YOU than you care to realize.

Ah yes, the typical knee-jerk emotional appeal. Exaggerate much?

Coming here illegally allows them to be exploited, you tool. Why do you want to exploit these poor people? Better yet, why don't you want the law to be enforced? Is it because you benefit from the exploitation of these people?

I just shake my head at you and your demented ilk. Every civilized nation on earth has immigration laws and procedures, and they have them for a reason.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Ask the people of AZ... maybe these people come into their state and they treat them bad and look at them like they are scum and in their hearts they see themselves as superior humans and the ILLEGALS as a disease ...

Wow, you are freaking lost. All you can do is argue the boo-hoo, tearjerker emotional BS and can't rationally look at the problem. There is a saying -- "If you play with fire, you're going to get burned." If people are willing to break the law to get what they want, well, guess what? They shouldn't be surprised that people aren't welcoming them with open arms and giving them homes, high-paying jobs, etc.

And then you resort to the "racism" appeal. Please, spare me the liberal talking points. You guys spout that BS because you hope to shame and guilt people into agreeing with you and the left. It isn't working, because it doesn't have a damn thing to do with race. Fortunately most people see this and just roll their eyes at people who scream "racism" at every corner. The people crying racism the most are, in fact, the real racists.

Are you one of these idiots that thinks we should just allow anyone in, no questions asked?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Our federal government is practically schitzophrenic--it enacts and maintains legislation saying that you need permission and approval to immigrate here--then it refuses to back up that law. Come on Washington, grow some cajones. If you're not going to enforce the law then just remove all immigration regulations and allow tens of millions of people to immigrate here every year. (In the wake of the disaster that policy would create, perhaps Americans would then be willing to vote in patriotic politicians who would enact and enforce a good immigration law.)

 

[shortylickens]

Our federal government is practically schitzophrenic--it enacts and maintains legislation saying that you need permission and approval to immigrate here--then it refuses to back up that law. Come on Washington, grow some cajones. If you're not going to enforce the law then just remove all immigration regulations and allow tens of millions of people to immigrate here every year. (In the wake of the disaster that policy would create, perhaps Americans would then be willing to vote in patriotic politicians who would enact and enforce a good immigration law.)

Thats how I feel about pretty much every law. Marijuana, traffic violations, everything.
If you arent going to enforce it, GET RID OF IT!

I think they believe that by having a law in place, some citizens will settle for no enforcement cuz it makes them feel better, even if it doesnt matter.

 

[bob4432]

You mean, make Arizona enforce already existing law (THE LEGAL ARIZONA WORKERS ACT) that was passed and signed by then Gov. Napolitano?

http://www.ailadownloads.org/advo/ArizonaHB2779.pdf

again, another non-AZ person weighing in. fwiw, the e-verify program was not really liked by either GWB or Obama and a lot of BS was put into that - you guys should remember that bs don't you? just remind me, was it GWB or Obama as the times even may have overlapped.

also, on many stores doors they in fact notify that they do use e-verify and again, raids are being done on biz that hire them - issue is it takes a bit longer to build up a case and verify the companies are actually doing what they are accussed to be doing, so a bit slower, but still it is happening and at least the people at the store/biz that are doing this are getting arrested, it is hard to follow up much after that because i don't know their names, so can't follow them through the courts.

so again, your ignorance of what is happening here locally is shown. you are just being played, like normal, by the left media that says AZ is going after people because of how they look, which is not the case. diversionary tactics and you fall again for it. when will you learn?

 

[blackangst1]

You mean, make Arizona enforce already existing law (THE LEGAL ARIZONA WORKERS ACT) that was passed and signed by then Gov. Napolitano?

http://www.ailadownloads.org/advo/ArizonaHB2779.pdf

Yes, but what does this have to do with the topic? everify only applies to companies who hire people. SB1070 covers everyone else.

So does this mean you support everify? Or are you intentionally being argumentative...again?

 

[heyheybooboo]

When I see our Federal government officials refusing to send illegal immigrants home because they disagree with a state law passed by that state with the support of it it's citizens, I see two problems.

I see a federal government that believes it is above the constitution and is more than ready to bend laws and apply pressure to try to force a state to concede it's rights.

I see a federal government that has conceded the immigration issue entirely and really has no intention of removing these people from the country.

Did I miss something? It seems to me that Obama is the one choosing to make this an issue by ignoring what the vast majority of people want. Educate me on how I'm wrong.

Had OBAMA not wanted this to be an issue, his people could have kept their damn mouths shut and simply done their jobs. When leaders from other countries bitched about it, he could have simply explained that this is the way our country works: states have the right to govern themselves apart from the rights explicitly granted to the federal government in the constitution.

He chose not to. HE chose to make it a wedge issue. The only question here is whether more independent voters will move to the right, or whether more minority hispanic/latino voters will move to the left.

Shovel much crap?

1) They are going home at a rate of 8-10%/year;
2) Employer audits are up 300% in 2 years;
3) There are over 20k cases in court - more than half involve entry/re-entry;
4) Over 18% of the 'illegal' population left Arizona in 2008, alone; and

5) Don't crop my quote and take what I say out of context to suit your Wing Nut propaganda, Douchbag.





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[blackangst1]

Originally Posted by Lemon law
Excuse me, there are due process of law questions even in deporting illegal aliens, and under the accepted legal doctrine of fruit of a poisoned tree is invalid, Morton has a duty to make the statement he did.

But still a somewhat side question now, the AZ law is now a ward of the courts and may never take effect.

Link?

Link please?

 

[bob4432]

Shovel much crap?

1) They are going home at a rate of 8-10%/year;
2) Employer audits are up 300% in 2 years;
3) There are over 20k cases in court - more than half involve entry/re-entry;
4) Over 18% of the 'illegal' population left Arizona in 2008, alone; and

5) Don't crop my quote and take what I say out of context to suit your Wing Nut propaganda, Douchbag.





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could you back up your info w/ links?

 

[her209]

Yes, but what does this have to do with the topic? everify only applies to companies who hire people. SB1070 covers everyone else.

From the text of the law:

ARTICLE 2. EMPLOYMENT OF UNAUTHORIZED ALIENS
23-211. Definitions

3. "EMPLOYEE" MEANS ANY PERSON WHO PERFORMS EMPLOYMENT SERVICES FOR AN EMPLOYER PURSUANT TO AN EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEE AND EMPLOYER.
4. "EMPLOYER" MEANS ANY INDIVIDUAL OR TYPE OF ORGANIZATION THAT TRANSACTS BUSINESS IN THIS STATE, THAT HAS A LICENSE ISSUED BY AN AGENCY IN THIS STATE AND THAT EMPLOYS ONE OR MORE INDIVIDUALS WHO PERFORM EMPLOYMENT SERVICES IN THIS STATE. EMPLOYER INCLUDES THIS STATE, ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE AND SELF-EMPLOYED PERSONS.

23-212. Employment of unauthorized aliens; prohibition; false and frivolous complaints; violation; classification; license suspension and revocation
A. AN EMPLOYER SHALL NOT INTENTIONALLY EMPLOY AN UNAUTHORIZED ALIEN OR KNOWINGLY EMPLOY AN UNAUTHORIZED ALIEN.

Seems like it covers anyone who does business in the state of AZ.

So does this mean you support everify? Or are you intentionally being argumentative...again?

Hell yes I support e-Verify. As I've said repeatedly, go after the employers hiring the illegals. I'm also for incorporating biometric information into an ID card, though, not necessarily a national/federal ID card.

 

[blackangst1]

From the text of the law:

Seems like it covers anyone who does business in the state of AZ.


Hell yes I support e-Verify. As I've said repeatedly, go after the employers hiring the illegals. I'm also for incorporating biometric information into an ID card, though, not necessarily a national/federal ID card.

ooook....again, this has nothing to do with the topic. Which is about ICE supposedly not processing illegals from AZ (which is false). And as I said, everify covers employers, 1070 covers everyone else.

 

[vhx]

I always enjoy the ignorant people who use the 'better life' argument. Millions of people in our own country could use a better life. Heck, I should be able to rob a bank and get off scott free if caught, because that money could definitely give me a better life. That sure as hell won't fly for me, why should it fly for other illegal activities?

 

[blackangst1]

I always enjoy the ignorant people who use the 'better life' argument. Millions of people in our own country could use a better life. Heck, I should be able to rob a bank and get off scott free if caught, because that money could definitely give me a better life. That sure as hell won't fly for me, why should it fly for other illegal activities?

Because picking tomatoes illegally isnt as serious as bank robbery

 

[vhx]

Because picking tomatoes illegally isnt as serious as bank robbery

Illegal is illegal. Yeah it's totally not as serious when we have entire divisions and federal enforcement sections to deal with illegal immigration. Also, considering they aren't citizens and aren't paying taxes while getting welfare, medical, and other things from your pocket and mine. That is essentially robbery. Enjoy your failed logic.

 

[blackangst1]

Illegal is illegal. Yeah it's totally not as serious when we have entire divisions and federal enforcement sections to deal with illegal immigration. Also, considering they aren't citizens and aren't paying taxes while getting welfare, medical, and other things from your pocket and mine. That is essentially robbery. Enjoy your failed logic.

Are you new here? You need to back the fuck off man. And read in other immigration threads my views.

Oh, and please change the battery in your sarcasm meter. Yours has failed