ICE To Refuses Processing Of Illegal Immigrants From Arizona

[DAGTA]

All this outrage (by both sides) over a law that is going to have absolutely zero net effect on illegal immigration.

It's already having an effect in AZ. Some illegals are opting to leave for other states already.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I'd take you up on that bet. There's already anecdotal evidence to support many illegals seeking to go elsewhere, many businesses catering to them are now whining that their business is impacted. If you were here illegally, would you rather be in a state where there is a significant risk that if you get pulled over for something small you're going to get deported, or a state where you know you can be illegal and not have any problems?

Wasn't Arpaio doing this anyway? There are so many illegals here and the law is so weak...nothing is going to change.

 

[Danube]

Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/21/official-says-feds-process-illegals-referred-arizona/

"A top Department of Homeland Security official reportedly said his agency will not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities. John Morton, assistant secretary of homeland security for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, made the comment during a meeting on Wednesday with the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune, the newspaper reports.

"I don't think the Arizona law, or laws like it, are the solution," Morton told the newspaper.
The best way to reduce illegal immigration is through a comprehensive federal approach, he said, and not a patchwork of state laws."


Translation = let Obama handle it

 

[Linflas]

Where is "we"? Is it on the border?

They can't do anything unless they commit a crime first right? So it really isn't any different than what Arpaio was already doing.

We aren't going to see levels of illegals dropping in the state because of this law. I guarantee that.

..and that is ok by me, I'd have to pay 10 times more to get my yard work done.

Prince William County, Virginia

They have been doing this since 2007.

 

[Jaskalas]

Why look at a gift horse in the mouth.

It is against their political agenda to follow the law and deport illegals.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Prince William County, Virginia

They have been doing this since 2007.

I don't think you can even compare AZ to va in this situation.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

The fact is...most illegals aren't here commiting crimes. Their sole crime is being here illegally. They can't be stopped unless they commit another crime so most will be safe and this law will have no effect. You idiots can claim otherwise but in the end you'll see I'm right.

I'm not for or against this law. I really don't care about illegal immigration but I just don't think this law is going to change anything.

 

[IGBT]

that's the obama regime refusing to enforce federal law.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

that's the obama regime refusing to enforce federal law.

Yes it is but I hope you aren't insinuating that GWB or any other recent president actually did enforce it

 

[Linflas]

I don't think you can even compare AZ to va in this situation.

You are correct, their problem is much worse than ours is and when they finally take steps to get it under control all they hear is lots of politicians telling lies trying to score political points at their expense.

 

[dainthomas]

The problem is not local law enforcement enforcing federal laws rather the federal government refusing to enforce federal laws.

I'm sure the terrorists in Al Qaeda would love it if ICE did nothing but chase down landscapers and strawberry pickers with insufficient paperwork.

In other words, ICE has better things to do. If a cop sees a guy chopping someone up with an axe, and another turning without using his signal, then who should the cop devote his time to? After all, they're both breaking the law.

 

[Carmen813]

I think I'm fine with ICE processing immigrants handed over by AZ as long as AZ citizens pay for it.

 

[Red Dawn]

You are correct, their problem is much worse than ours is and when they finally take steps to get it under control all they hear is lots of politicians telling lies trying to score political points at their expense.

It'd be more effective if they eliminated their reason for being there...work. Go after those who employ them and go after them hard. Of course that would the fine upstanding citizens of AZ and that wouldn't go over too well in the Polls.

 

[Lemon law]

Well, if anyone had bothered to read the little Chicago tribune link, as if we should actually expect people to read, they could not miss the Morton Statement of, "Morton said the government's stepped-up enforcement would result in a "sharp increase" in deportations this year. Last year's 400,000 overall deportations were a record, but this year there has already been a 40 percent jump in deportations of criminals, he said."

So its not like the Obama administration is being even more lax than GWB, his administration is in fact doing better and better than GWB&co ever did in two out of two years running.

But still, Arizona point granted, in a small swath by the Mexican border, illegal immigrant criminality AND DRUG RUNNING has grown to be a life threatening problem in those same small areas. So even as a Liberal, I have to have some sympathy for Arizona, but at the same time, if Az decides to buck the Feds just to gain GOP political brownie points, they cut their own throats. And sadly, controlling the export of assault rifles in the USA is another dimension of the problem. But but but, its GOP easier to blame Obama than it is to blame the NRA policies.

 

[DAGTA]

It'd be more effective if they eliminated their reason for being there...work. Go after those who employ them and go after them hard. Of course that would the fine upstanding citizens of AZ and that wouldn't go over too well in the Polls.

There are plenty of illegals in Phoenix living on welfare. In fact, in some cases people seem to get preferential treatment in the welfare offices if they only speak Spanish.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Yes it is but I hope you aren't insinuating that GWB or any other recent president actually did enforce it

Actually, there have been several big increases.

ICE has initiated at least 1,687 investigations against employers for 'I-9" or Employment Eligibility Verification audits this year, already exceeding the total of 1,100 for FY2009 (which was double that of 2008).

There are well over 20k cases in the courts, the overwhelming majority of which are for for entry or re-entry violations.

This fact remains: Make it exceeding difficult to find and hold a job, and they will go home.

Because of the recession everybody has their tits in the immigration wringer. This fact also remains: Before Arizona started their 'crackdown' they had the sharpest decline in undocumented population of any state.

But that won't stop the chest-thumping about how great their new laws are working.

This final fact: They are going home! And have been going home for the last 2 years, at the rate of 8-10% a year (Arizona had a drop of 18% in 2008!).

Bottom Line: Folks want to make immigration the wedge issue for 2010.

Don't buy into it.





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[Danube]

The fact is...most illegals aren't here commiting crimes.

The fact is 1/3 of inmates are illegals - way out of proportion to their numbers (as high as they are)

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

You are correct, their problem is much worse than ours is and when they finally take steps to get it under control all they hear is lots of politicians telling lies trying to score political points at their expense.

Well my point is this law isn't really going to do anything to get it under control.

 

[Lemon law]

The fact is 1/3 of inmates are illegals - way out of proportion to their numbers (as high as they are)

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A rather stupid point in MHO, The US has somewhat the highest incarcerations rates in the world, at some 1%, and when illegal drug running fueled by a ready supply of assault rifles, accounts for much of the violence, we are still barking up the wrong tree in trying to blame the average wet back who comes to this country to seek gainful employment.

If we don't want drug related violence, either stop the American appetite for illegal drugs, or legalize those illegal drugs. But don't confuse drugs with illegal immigration, they are in fact two entirely different problems.

 

[blackangst1]

Excuse me, there are due process of law questions even in deporting illegal aliens, and under the accepted legal doctrine of fruit of a poisoned tree is invalid, Morton has a duty to make the statement he did.

But still a somewhat side question now, the AZ law is now a ward of the courts and may never take effect.

Link?

 

[blackangst1]

I think the problem is that it's a federal crime, illegal immigration can't be a state crime by definition. It would be like if you or I "arrested" an illegal immigrant and took him to the ICE office and told them to deport him. Regardless of whether the person is breaking federal law, we have no legal authority to enforce it. Is that true or can local police enforce immigration law?

So, what youre saying is, a state and federal law against the same thing cant exist in parallel?

Really?

 

[blackangst1]

Yes it is but I hope you aren't insinuating that GWB or any other recent president actually did enforce it

We had our turn bitching about GWB not doing anything about illegal migration. Now its Obamas turn. Leave Bush out of it and quit deflecting.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally Posted by bl4ckfl4g
The fact is...most illegals aren't here commiting crimes.

Leaving out the obvious that them just being here is a federal crime, the fact is, at least in Maricopa County, the illegal population is <5&#37; yet illegals represent >40% of all violent crime, and are responsible for 99% of all kidnappings, making Phoenix the kidnapping capital of the US, and second in the world.

 

[Hammerman]

The Border Patrol is a government entity and as far as I can tell, DOES practice racial profiling while the new law does not. Living in Tucson and going deer hunting down Sasabe Rd. to my favorite hunting area, I cross paths with the Border Patrol at least 10-15 times a day when down there. I am a about 10 miles from the Mexican border and have NEVER been stopped or pulled over while on the other hand, I see spanish looking people pulled over all over the place. Middle aged senorita and her child pulled over aside standing there with the BP flipping the tailgate open on her pickup to reveal a false bottom and 5 people lined up like cordwood in it. 6 years driving down there for a week a time plus scouting and not once have I been pulled over.

WOW, looks like the government is practicing racial profiling while whining and crying over something that is far less intrusive that they don't even understand.

 

[Pulsar]

Bottom Line: Folks want to make immigration the wedge issue for 2010.

Don't buy into it.
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When I see our Federal government officials refusing to send illegal immigrants home because they disagree with a state law passed by that state with the support of it it's citizens, I see two problems.

I see a federal government that believes it is above the constitution and is more than ready to bend laws and apply pressure to try to force a state to concede it's rights.

I see a federal government that has conceded the immigration issue entirely and really has no intention of removing these people from the country.

Did I miss something? It seems to me that Obama is the one choosing to make this an issue by ignoring what the vast majority of people want. Educate me on how I'm wrong.

Had OBAMA not wanted this to be an issue, his people could have kept their damn mouths shut and simply done their jobs. When leaders from other countries bitched about it, he could have simply explained that this is the way our country works: states have the right to govern themselves apart from the rights explicitly granted to the federal government in the constitution.

He chose not to. HE chose to make it a wedge issue. The only question here is whether more independent voters will move to the right, or whether more minority hispanic/latino voters will move to the left.