K1052
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Meh, this is the guy who was cool with putting razor wire in the Rio Grande. I Don't believe a single word Abbott says here. This is all PR spin because he's running for re-election.
Abbott surrendered the Texas voter rolls to the DOJ weeks ago. ICE are currently raiding some parts of Texas with impunity, and Texas is running multiple Trump concentration camps. Abbott is a true believer in what's happening. He just wants the Trump administration to spin it better. He's only concerned with appearance.
Fenixgoon
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Yup governor hot wheels is a piece of shit
Trump Tomorrow: "Greg who?" This is all still on you, President Epstein.
The guy should be considered a flight risk
Puffnstuff
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MrSquished
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SteveGrabowski
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Not good enough. When this nation is finally back under peaceful control he needs to be tried in a new round of Nuremberg Trials.
SteveGrabowski
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All this invasion and murder must be killing ICE's recruitment numbers. Trump needs them at the level he funded to quell the inevitable riots when Vance and Miller try to steal the 2028 election and based on Laura Jedeed's article in Slate it sounds like they couldn't recruit shit even in red ass Dallas, Tx at their job fair.
Jaskalas
Lifer
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Moving their toys around on the field of battle.
Public perception still matters to them. Suppose that's a positive sign of life. But their campaign of militarization will continue. And the real challenge is Nov 2028, through Jan 2029. That's the finish line. That's when it is winner take all. All that precedes is a warm up as they continue to recruit, organize, and test their limits.
Public perception still matters to them. Suppose that's a positive sign of life. But their campaign of militarization will continue. And the real challenge is Nov 2028, through Jan 2029. That's the finish line. That's when it is winner take all. All that precedes is a warm up as they continue to recruit, organize, and test their limits.
“Incident” makes it sound like someone stubbed their toe. Why not just call it murder?
I have no reason to walk with my head down. I am not the one who has continually ettempted to manipulate and change the topic to something completely different and taking my replies out of context, and applying them to your newly created topic that my responses do not apply too. That is all you. That is manipulation, lying, and dishonest. Just as you are doing here, We are not talking about what lead us here, that is a different discussion. I keep repeating myself in hopes you will man up, stop manipulating, stop lying, and actually respond to the actual topic, whcih was you claiming that the democrates need to organize protests, general strikes and such. You have yet to respond to me, disagree or counter in any legitimate honest form, other than beleiving laws don't matter.
I didn't add anything stupid, much less more stupid. The proof is the answer to this question: Did any of the leaders who lead the people of Germany come from the opposition party/government? The answer is no! Hitler executed the opposition party. So how can they be leaders, if they where not alive to do so? Hitler created a police state across Germany, to eliminate opposition and those that resisted. Your answer is to give Trump the exact same path on a silver platter, starting with you wanting the democrates to organize protests, general strikes, etc. (our actual true topic and the only context of our discussion), which is illegal, and most likely, open the door for Trump to repeat history.
Now, you are contradicting yourself.. You are now saying that our leaders don't have to act like leaders, or are you again trying to manipulate (lie about), what I said implying that is what I am saying? Then you repeat what I said about where the leaders will come from just using different words. If it is the former, where it appears you are contradicting yourself, as I didn't say or imply any such thing, that is completely opposite of what you where raging about claiming that the democrates need to organize protests, general strikes, etc. and be leaders, which is what started this between us. You where straight up, looking for leadership from the democrates. Where I told you the legal aspect as to why they can't, and even tried to get you to understand that doing so could, and most likely would with this adminstration, put us on the path of repeating history. While you continual attempts to change the actual true topic of our dicussion and your manipulation of context of my replies.
Here's what you appear to not understand: The majority of the leaders won't be known, regardless where they come from, until the process of us getting our country back is in full motion (what ever form that maybe), and we are near the completion of removing this authortarian threat/government. They will lead from the shadows, and it will come in many different forms. Do you even understand why? The answer is in knowing what Hitler did to the oppossition party/government and those who resisted him, and not making mistakes to repeat it. A path that this Authoritarian\Fascist goverment (Trump, his adminstration, and gestapo) are already on.
MrSquished
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Just got off the phone with my friend. In addition to all the wonderful things that have been posted about the people of Minneapolis in articles in this thread, she told me about another dedicated role - people with coats in their cars ready to respond. They would let people out of Whipple without any warning or notice, and they'd often have no phone or no jacket, as they were plucking people out of homes not dressed at all for the cold, as we saw that old man they took out in his underwear. So these people would be ready to go or driving nearby and they would pick up these poor people and get a jacket on them right away, then drive them home.
MrSquished
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Who said their can't be behind the scenes leadership and organizing as well, in the shadows? I mean no shit of course there will be - and Minneapolis is a great example. The fact you think an opposition party also needs no visible leaders at all at the same time is laughingly stupid. Opposition movements also need leaders who are visible. Ever here of certain folks that were leaders - from MLK to John Lewis, who continued to advocate for good trouble and opposition well after he became a Congressperson? Hell, go back to Lincoln, he was not the president but ran on an anti-slavery platform, he was willing to take a passionate and principled stand against evil. A kind of evil we almost face now. We need leadership from our single opposition party. Why do you think Mamdani is so popular? and AOC, and Bernie's rallys - because they are way more able to speak truth to power than any of your corrupt establishment hacks you love.
Your historical comparison is also completely stupid because Trump does not have the power to start executing the opposition party now. The problem in Germany, and other places, is fools like you were so accepting of being demure and not taking Trump seriously, thinking of him more like a clown, and not waking up and being real leaders earlier, that by the time they finally woke up, Hitler had all the power he needed to do that.
This is my whole point - you get your shit together now well before Trump has accumulated that power, don't be fools like they have been in history - something you are totally advocating they do now. You have learned nothing, you know nothing. I mean you just sound pathetic - they'll be executed! wtf are you blathering on about - the whole point is for the establishment Dems to show some fucking ounce of balls and ability to plain talk now because Trump does not have anywhere near the power you are frightened of. Yet you speak about it and cower about it like a fool. If you think being a charismatic leader, showing leadership, speaking truth to power, and promoting protests is going to give Trump license to kill them right now you need to get into a rubber room, cause you don't exist in reality. We are nowhere near that right now, which is my exact point. Don't continue to be corrupt cowards now because you are just going to appease until the point he does get that power.
This is exactly my point about you. You live in some wakced out la la land. It's disturbing.
How much blame do you think the Dems have as an opposition party for where we have found ourselves btw? From their anti-progressive and systemic change corporate corruption, shutting out an agenda that would actually inspire Americans, and trying to shut out charismatic progressive leaders, to bending the knee to seniority and shoving shitty politicians down our throats, such as a clearly befuddled and weak sundowning Biden, or from still playing these polite 'gentlemen rules' politics for well over a decade while the other party was not partaking, playing a game that didn't exist anymore by being so stupid and weak and losing so much ground in the overall battle to the right, not investing in enough media-centered channels, etc... Do you realize any of this?
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trenchfoot
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To have the ability to kill someone cold blooded like what's happened in Minnesota takes something much more than an order to commit that act. It takes the willingness and purposefulness of an assassin to pull a trigger, stab and garrot their victim up close and personal. This is the kind of enforcer that Trump is hiring in order to suppress, to strike fear and subdue, to brutally overpower with armed aggression while exploiting the authority to strip a person's rights from them because they're using it to protest against the tyranny of the gov't against its own people.
If Trump really had his way, he'd do exactly what Iran's mullahs are perpetrating in order to hold on to power. In Trump's mind killing and incarcerating thousands if not millions of "left wing radicals" that threaten his grip on the gov't is totally justified. The one thing that's holding him back from murdering every single person who opposes his quest for complete control of the nation is the fact that there are millions more Americans that cherish democracy than his MAGAts who want what he wants.
His testing the limits of control that he can exert over the general population in Minnesota is a critical one if democracy is to survive in America. Hunting down undocumented immigrants is a ruse. It's gaslighting at its finest. Trump wants to normalize his abuse of power and make it an acceptable way of life for us. To do just that he desperately wants to declare martial law. If murdering any number of people will make it happen, then of course that's exactly what he'll do.....well, for that matter he's already doing it. Nothing personal, all part of P25.
As for those sniveling conservative partisan cowards in Congress, your refusal to keep Trump in check will hopefully lead to your demise. As for Trump's fellow oligarchs who are enabling and encouraging Trump's takeover attempt, I can't imagine what'll happen to you all if and when the Democrats get a hold of a unified gov't the way the Republicans have. As for Trump's minions, with Trump being properly checked by a Democrat House and Senate and with him gone in '29, what will you ever do then I wonder.
If Trump really had his way, he'd do exactly what Iran's mullahs are perpetrating in order to hold on to power. In Trump's mind killing and incarcerating thousands if not millions of "left wing radicals" that threaten his grip on the gov't is totally justified. The one thing that's holding him back from murdering every single person who opposes his quest for complete control of the nation is the fact that there are millions more Americans that cherish democracy than his MAGAts who want what he wants.
His testing the limits of control that he can exert over the general population in Minnesota is a critical one if democracy is to survive in America. Hunting down undocumented immigrants is a ruse. It's gaslighting at its finest. Trump wants to normalize his abuse of power and make it an acceptable way of life for us. To do just that he desperately wants to declare martial law. If murdering any number of people will make it happen, then of course that's exactly what he'll do.....well, for that matter he's already doing it. Nothing personal, all part of P25.
As for those sniveling conservative partisan cowards in Congress, your refusal to keep Trump in check will hopefully lead to your demise. As for Trump's fellow oligarchs who are enabling and encouraging Trump's takeover attempt, I can't imagine what'll happen to you all if and when the Democrats get a hold of a unified gov't the way the Republicans have. As for Trump's minions, with Trump being properly checked by a Democrat House and Senate and with him gone in '29, what will you ever do then I wonder.
The problem is blocking people tends to add confusion and in many cases, makes it hard to understand the full disucssion because people respond to those you have blocked. Where the blocked person, may have added something legitimate, that influences the discussion, so you are now missing context to understand what is being talked about. Sometimes what people say is easy to ignore, and just look past it.
The problem with this topic, is it is extremely volatile due to the emotion, moral, and humanity aspects of it. It could be considered one of the most serious and dangerous times that this country has every faced. It's not easy to ignore someone who is flat out lying, continues to manipulate what is said, and accusesses that I support what is happening, including the execution that took place. All of which is false. He isn't haveing a honesty discussion, he purposely atacking my charcater on a subject that is extremely close to heart for all of us. I won't tollerate it, and nobody else should either.
MrSquished
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I said you supported what is happening?
You are disgusting to say anything of the sort. I never said anything like that. You should be able to quote that quite easily, so go for it.
You can't because you made it up.
That's absolutely gross of you. You really should be ashamed of yourself.
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pete6032
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Good article about how protesters are organizing.
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Seems the syphilitic orange menace has limits.
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pete6032
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Sheer evil.
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ICE arrested me without cause. What I saw will haunt me forever. | Opinion
One ICE agent, apparently referring to Renee Good, said, 'You guys gotta stop obstructing us — that's why that lesbian b---- is dead.'
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Seroiusly.. just stop. It's understandable that you don't know me outside of this forum. But it's clear you don't even know me on this forum. If you had, you would know how full of shit you are about your accusations.
You are making the same mistake millions of people made before Trump was re-elected, and after. First it was he won't be elected. Well, he was, then it was he won't do XYZ. He did. Then it was he doesn't have the power or authority to do everything he has done so far, yet he has done it. He's defied our laws, the constitution, and court rulings. So it's clear, you and many others, are underestimating Trump , his administration, what they can, and will do. It's not only niave, it's extremely dangerious and short sighted to believe Trump/his administration don't have the power to do EVERYTHING and MORE than Hitler did. The Simularities to Hitler and what is happening here is staggaring, down to just about everything, including underestimating him, the only real exception is Trump is moving slighty slower. Have you not learned anything over the past year? He's doing it all, with poeple in our government, and millions of people supporting it, lying for him and those that serve him's actions, defending what he is doing to this country, and want it to happen. I am not acting cowerdly as you claim, I am just not being niave like you.
You are so out of touch with what's different now vs the past, you don't understand how MLK, John Lewis, and even Lincoln's actions, regardless of their strengths and iconic place in history, has no relevance to what's happening currently. Their leadership and what they stood for and faught for where completely different, with night and day diffferent circumstances, specially concerning the foreknowledge that their actions could lead to their death (MJK/Lincoln). They may very well have acted the same and be like AOC, Mamdani, and Bernie, who may realize the danger, or be like you and underestimate Trump and his regime. I actually fear for their safety. As the threats have already been made. It's sad you don't. We have a road map of where the path we are on leads, and what happens to the oppostition party. Which is why most of the leaders are not standing out, but already exist. The movement, the buildup to push back has already started. Because of the people in the shadows. We do have people in the democrat party speaking out against Trump systimatically, you even listed them. But it's only being heard by the people who already are on their side. What are you going to do if/when Trump and his administration goes after them and has them put to death? As I said, the threats have already been made, and suggested by people in his administration, and supported by his followers.
You can't keep blaming the democrates. This is our fault, the people, the voters. We allowed it to get this far, by continuiously putting the majority of the same people, who continually failed, back in office, expecting a different result, election after election. But it's not just the people on the left, it's also people on the right, who supports the dirty politics that you believe the left needs to start doing. Not reconzing that dirty politics that we, the people, allow to continue, has played a substantial roll in where we are today. As long as we continue to support dirty politics, instead of being against it from all parties, nothing will change or get better. If the left joined in the dirty politics, as hard as it is to imagine, everything would be worse than it already is. The actual answer, where dirty politics is concerned, is it should not be allowed by any party, no matter who they are. And WE the people are the only ones who can make that happen.
You are so busy raging about democrates not leading, and looking for others to lead, not realizing that we the people are the only ones who can fix this, and need to look deep into ourselves, and figure out what we need to do, because we can't rely on anyone else to do it. Maybe you should stop looking for leaders to follow and try to be a leader yourself, since you seem to have a grasp on what they should be doing. So go do it, and stop raging at people here on this forum, because I am done arguing with over your ignorance.
Seriously? You implied it. when you said that I equate murder with a peaceful protest, which was never part of what I said, or had anything to do with it. Which is the same as saying I supported the murder. That murder is part of what is happening, and you implies I am ok with it. Which is completely false, and why I was pissed when I replied to you about it. It's impossible to equate a murder with a peaceful protest, on any level, unless you support that action. It was a false accusation that you injected for no reason into the conversation. There are many other examples of you doing the same thing from your false accusations to your constant insults. You don't have to say it specifically word for word for it to be true or implied. But you know that, which is why you do it. It's also why you didn't question that I said you blantently lie and maniplate.
Now, we are done. Move on.
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dartworth
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This is good stuff here. I really like this take and will think on this. I'm so tired of the yelling and hating. Thank you.
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