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eelw said:
But has the backlash become bad enough that Repugnicans will agree to Dems demand to separate DHS funding from rest of budget bill to prevent an another shutdown?
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Dems had better not cave or they are cooked for the midterms. Even if it takes another shutdown
 
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Nothing says “law and order” quite like a sexual predator President with 34 felony convictions unleashing the Justice Department on states that didn't vote for him. Apparently, in Trumps America, speaking out is criminal, but being a convicted felon is a résumé booster.

The Trump government jack boot worldview is clear: No ICE agent can ever commit murder, no matter what the footage shows. That’s how a killing caught on multiple angles becomes a “scrum” and a dead man gets blamed for his own death. He had his hands up, after being pepper sprayed in the face, then he was taken to ground, beaten, disarmed, and then shot 10 times. That's not murder? The denial isn’t accidental — it’s the point.
 
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NWRMidnight said:
Seriously? You implied it. when you said that I equate murder with a peaceful protest, which was never part of what I said, or had anything to do with it. Which is the same as saying I supported the murder. That murder is part of what is happening, and you implies I am ok with it. Which is completely false, and why I was pissed when I replied to you about it. It's impossible to equate a murder with a peaceful protest, on any level, unless you support that action. It was a false accusation that you injected for no reason into the conversation. There are many other examples of you doing the same thing from your false accusations to your constant insults. You don't have to say it specifically word for word for it to be true or implied. But you know that, which is why you do it. It's also why you didn't question that I said you blantently lie and maniplate.

Now, we are done. Move on.
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That is absolutely not how I used that correlation - you were saying so what if they GQP was not playing by the rules, in regards to what ICE is doing, doesn't mean the Democrats should break the rules and suggest protest/strikes. You were equating the two things from how to handle opposition to something within a legal framework, nowhere did I say you equated them from a moral perspective at all. Learn to read better, or just don't keep lying and lying.

As far as using the word enabler in regards to fascism, it's a well-used term with multi-pronged meanings - and one of them is about the feckless, inept, stupid, weak, and appeasing style of opposition which helps fascism gain more power and grow.

Is English your second language?

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Seroiusly.. just stop. It's understandable that you don't know me outside of this forum. But it's clear you don't even know me on this forum. If you had, you would know how full of shit you are about your accusations.

You are making the same mistake millions of people made before Trump was re-elected, and after. First it was he won't be elected. Well, he was, then it was he won't do XYZ. He did. Then it was he doesn't have the power or authority to do everything he has done so far, yet he has done it. He's defied our laws, the constitution, and court rulings. So it's clear, you and many others, are underestimating Trump , his administration, what they can, and will do. It's not only niave, it's extremely dangerious and short sighted to believe Trump/his administration don't have the power to do EVERYTHING and MORE than Hitler did. The Simularities to Hitler and what is happening here is staggaring, down to just about everything, including underestimating him, the only real exception is Trump is moving slighty slower. Have you not learned anything over the past year? He's doing it all, with poeple in our government, and millions of people supporting it, lying for him and those that serve him's actions, defending what he is doing to this country, and want it to happen. I am not acting cowerdly as you claim, I am just not being niave like you.

You are so out of touch with what's different now vs the past, you don't understand how MLK, John Lewis, and even Lincoln's actions, regardless of their strengths and iconic place in history, has no relevance to what's happening currently. Their leadership and what they stood for and faught for where completely different, with night and day diffferent circumstances, specially concerning the foreknowledge that their actions could lead to their death (MJK/Lincoln). They may very well have acted the same and be like AOC, Mamdani, and Bernie, who may realize the danger, or be like you and underestimate Trump and his regime. I actually fear for their safety. As the threats have already been made. It's sad you don't. We have a road map of where the path we are on leads, and what happens to the oppostition party. Which is why most of the leaders are not standing out, but already exist. The movement, the buildup to push back has already started. Because of the people in the shadows. We do have people in the democrat party speaking out against Trump systimatically, you even listed them. But it's only being heard by the people who already are on their side. What are you going to do if/when Trump and his administration goes after them and has them put to death? As I said, the threats have already been made, and suggested by people in his administration, and supported by his followers.

You can't keep blaming the democrates. This is our fault, the people, the voters. We allowed it to get this far, by continuiously putting the majority of the same people, who continually failed, back in office, expecting a different result, election after election. But it's not just the people on the left, it's also people on the right, who supports the dirty politics that you believe the left needs to start doing. Not reconzing that dirty politics that we, the people, allow to continue, has played a substantial roll in where we are today. As long as we continue to support dirty politics, instead of being against it from all parties, nothing will change or get better. If the left joined in the dirty politics, as hard as it is to imagine, everything would be worse than it already is. The actual answer, where dirty politics is concerned, is it should not be allowed by any party, no matter who they are. And WE the people are the only ones who can make that happen.

You are so busy raging about democrates not leading, and looking for others to lead, not realizing that we the people are the only ones who can fix this, and need to look deep into ourselves, and figure out what we need to do, because we can't rely on anyone else to do it. Maybe you should stop looking for leaders to follow and try to be a leader yourself, since you seem to have a grasp on what they should be doing. So go do it, and stop raging at people here on this forum, because I am done arguing with over your ignorance.
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I have already pointed out how all of history has proven you wrong that leadership should only come from the people, and not the established opposition, or those who have way more resources and power to grease the wheels of opposition, or that the opposition party bears no responsibilities that you claim. You are a meek and weak person like all the fascist enablers throughout history.

It's also pretty fucking hilarious you say, history is not relevant, when it comes to my argument - although literally one of the biggest true idioms of today is about he who doesn't learn from history is a fucking idiot....on top of that it is YOU who keeps referencing history YOU like, that if the Dems acted like an opposition party, they'd get killed just like Hitler did it - even though we are nowhere near that point yet, which is the whole point. But all of a sudden there, now history matters to you, but it's irrelevant when I bring up historical examples. You still defend that if the Dems stood up now, they'd be murdered! The fact you think this is where we are at in this points of Trumps seizure of power is COMPLETELY INSANE as I mentioned above. You are delusional, and a non-stop lying, intellectually bankrupt and dishonest debater.

You are in a cult to the Dem establishment - you have an illness. Nowhere have I said the Dems deserve all the blame or even close- I have always put it in context - they didn't make the Republicans evil, and people voted them in, but as far as what an opposition could have or can do against facing this constant threat of authoritarian regimes, like just throughout history, they are 100% responsible for their actions in that regard. And it's pretty simple to understand, we can't make the Republicans less evil, or control what they do, but one way we can is to help support the best opposition to fight that evil. And a big part of that is to those who we vote to lead us in government. That is why it is so important to not be in a cult to corrupt politicians like you, because one of those ways is how we hold our own opposition party accountable - how we vote, who we push as candidates, what we tell our representatives. Also, our opposition is also in how we protest, and support our communitees, etc..We have our own responsibilities as well, I have never said otherwise. But to completely ignore that part of this whole puzzle is the opposition party's stances and leadership, is literally obscene.

The fact you think an opposition party bears NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR LEADING and that ONLY us as individuals have that responsibility is one of the dumbest things I have read since before I blocked Greenman.


Both those groups have responsibility to lead and fight obviously. To completely absolve the opposition party from it's responsibilities and mistakes, from what is a well-known history term about enabling these evil movements to arise from the context of a feckless opposition, is bonkers. Historians would literally laugh you out of the room with this nonsense about what is so well known and established.

Every time you post it becomes more dishonest, more and more ignorant, way more pathetic, and more weak.
 
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The Atlantic: Minnesota Proved MAGA Wrong.

This is very much worth the read in its entirety but I will post my favorite highlight below.

Every social theory undergirding Trumpism has been broken on the steel of Minnesotan resolve. The multiracial community in Minneapolis was supposed to shatter. It did not. It held until Bovino was forced out of the Twin Cities with his long coat between his legs.

The secret fear of the morally depraved is that virtue is actually common, and that they’re the ones who are alone. In Minnesota, all of the ideological cornerstones of MAGA have been proved false at once. Minnesotans, not the armed thugs of ICE and the Border Patrol, are brave. Minnesotans have shown that their community is socially cohesive—because of its diversity and not in spite of it. Minnesotans have found and loved one another in a world atomized by social media, where empty men have tried to fill their lonely soul with lies about their own inherent superiority. Minnesotans have preserved everything worthwhile about “Western civilization,” while armed brutes try to tear it down by force.
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From the Atlantic story linked above.

Minnesotans, not the armed thugs of ICE and the Border Patrol, are brave.
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One epiphany I had through all this:

Conservatives are generally cowards. It lines up with their gun obsession (for protection), with their fear based hate on immigrants, with their fear of technology (vaccines, 5G cellular, etc...), with their fear of change/progress, fear of gay/trans people, and in the USA, running to Daddy Trump to protect them from everything. Progress, immigrants, clean energy, electric cars, trans, woke...

In Canada there was a poll about what to do if the USA invades. > 70% of Liberal and NDP members (the center/left) said fight. 47% of Conservatives, said give in to demands... Some of that surrender impulse of Canadian Conservatives could be because Trump is their guy, but some is probably basic conservative cowardice.

Minnesota wasn't the first acts of bravery we have seen. I remember months a petite woman standing up to these armed masked thugs that gave me goosebumps. The Bravest always seem to be those the Conservatives deem soft and lefty, like Nurses and Poets.

RIP Alex Pretti and Renee Nicole Good. Brave people of conscience, murdered by an authoritarian regime, for showing humanity to other humans.
 
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Pens1566 said:
Polling (assuming we have legit midterms) is heavily trending towards the opposite. Rs know the house is gone and are probably sweating bullets that the senate is too. It's that bad.
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The Democrats would do amazing in the midterms if anything like the current polling stands. Also, the Democrats have some of their own very very terrible approval polling now as well, but they'd still destroy the GQP in FAIR elections. 90% of politically literate people I know personally see how crappy the Dem establishment is, but we are all going to go vote for them in the midterms and encourage others to do so. But also, between now and then, we are also going to support any actual progressives who actually care about systemic change and fighting the right, anytime we can, to get a failed establishment Dem out of office.

The horrific polling for the Dems approval is obvious. This is because people realize how sub-par the Democrats have been to represent us and battle the right, and how they are doing now. Most people can see how mediocre, AT BEST, they are, but next to the GQP, they are the much better option. And I think that kind of represents them as a party, they never really wanted true progressive policy, they love the incremental center-right neo-liberalism, their own form of trickle down economics really. Just a nicer version. And they mostly never learned how to message, or adjust with the times as the GQP went further and further right. And giving us Biden, and Kamala pushing to the center, and still having the feckless muppet Chucky as minority leader, and so many more shitty things they offer, etc... But they have been fine with that, because they've always been pretty happy just not being the Republicans, and not having to do anything inspirational or really change the system for us. Just being 'hey, hello, we are better than those guys, and we are bad at telling you why, but vote for us.' (besides Obama)

and this is going to work for them in the midterms, and further solidify their intent to not have to get better, they will win this time anyway. They enjoy not having to do too much.
 
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Heartbreaker said:
From the Atlantic story linked above.



One epiphany I had through all this:

Conservatives are generally cowards. It lines up with their gun obsession (for protection), with their fear based hate on immigrants, with their fear of technology (vaccines, 5G cellular, etc...), with their fear of change/progress, fear of gay/trans people, and in the USA, running to Daddy Trump to protect them from everything. Progress, immigrants, clean energy, electric cars, trans, woke...

In Canada there was a poll about what to do if the USA invades. > 70% of Liberal and NDP members (the center/left) said fight. 47% of Conservatives, said give in to demands... Some of that surrender impulse of Canadian Conservatives could be because Trump is their guy, but some is probably basic conservative cowardice.

Minnesota wasn't the first acts of bravery we have seen. I remember months a petite woman standing up to these armed masked thugs that gave me goosebumps. The Bravest always seem to be those the Conservatives deem soft and lefty, like Nurses and Poets.

RIP Alex Pretti and Renee Nicole Good. Brave people of conscience, murdered by an authoritarian regime, for showing humanity to other humans.
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This is very true. Someone once told me their belief as to why Trump’s supporters are unwavering, despite him crashing the economic recovery post-Covid and Making Inflation Great Again. His words:
“They are afraid of retribution. They think Trump is the only one protecting them from a reckoning at the hands of their one-time friends, family and neighbors”.

In other words—they fear a Democrat using the same tools as Trump to trample all over their civil rights. They cannot accept that most liberals and Dems would “rather not do that”.
 
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Roger Wilco said:
I see all of the celebrities are coming out of the woodwork to condemn the admin. Sad that it required the murder of two white people instead of concentration camps for brown people.
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Not surprising though.
Heartbreaker said:
From the Atlantic story linked above.



One epiphany I had through all this:

Conservatives are generally cowards. It lines up with their gun obsession (for protection), with their fear based hate on immigrants, with their fear of technology (vaccines, 5G cellular, etc...), with their fear of change/progress, fear of gay/trans people, and in the USA, running to Daddy Trump to protect them from everything. Progress, immigrants, clean energy, electric cars, trans, woke...

In Canada there was a poll about what to do if the USA invades. > 70% of Liberal and NDP members (the center/left) said fight. 47% of Conservatives, said give in to demands... Some of that surrender impulse of Canadian Conservatives could be because Trump is their guy, but some is probably basic conservative cowardice.

Minnesota wasn't the first acts of bravery we have seen. I remember months a petite woman standing up to these armed masked thugs that gave me goosebumps. The Bravest always seem to be those the Conservatives deem soft and lefty, like Nurses and Poets.

RIP Alex Pretti and Renee Nicole Good. Brave people of conscience, murdered by an authoritarian regime, for showing humanity to other humans.
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Well, your epiphany does align with research, couching it in the term of "cowardice" is a bit loaded, but conservatives do appear to generally have a larger amygdala, and the amygdala governs fear and anxiety.
 
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UNCjigga said:
This is very true. Someone once told me their belief as to why Trump’s supporters are unwavering, despite him crashing the economic recovery post-Covid and Making Inflation Great Again. His words:
“They are afraid of retribution. They think Trump is the only one protecting them from a reckoning at the hands of their one-time friends, family and neighbors”.

In other words—they fear a Democrat using the same tools as Trump to trample all over their civil rights. They cannot accept that most liberals and Dems would “rather not do that”.
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The Radio Rwanda problem.
 
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Lol he’s accelerating the reckoning that these MAGAtards will experience. Total black list of these bully mall cops. See how many murder, accessory to murder and assault charges can be placed
 
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UNCjigga said:
This is very true. Someone once told me their belief as to why Trump’s supporters are unwavering, despite him crashing the economic recovery post-Covid and Making Inflation Great Again. His words:
“They are afraid of retribution. They think Trump is the only one protecting them from a reckoning at the hands of their one-time friends, family and neighbors”.

In other words—they fear a Democrat using the same tools as Trump to trample all over their civil rights. They cannot accept that most liberals and Dems would “rather not do that”.
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I wish there was a way to explain to conservatives that, if given the option, I would rather hop on a spaceship and leave this entire festering shithole behind for them to fight over, and just go raise space goats on a space hill on some backwater planet nobody but me ever sees until I finally die.
 
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Heartbreaker said:
From the Atlantic story linked above.



One epiphany I had through all this:

Conservatives are generally cowards. It lines up with their gun obsession (for protection), with their fear based hate on immigrants, with their fear of technology (vaccines, 5G cellular, etc...), with their fear of change/progress, fear of gay/trans people, and in the USA, running to Daddy Trump to protect them from everything. Progress, immigrants, clean energy, electric cars, trans, woke...

In Canada there was a poll about what to do if the USA invades. > 70% of Liberal and NDP members (the center/left) said fight. 47% of Conservatives, said give in to demands... Some of that surrender impulse of Canadian Conservatives could be because Trump is their guy, but some is probably basic conservative cowardice.

Minnesota wasn't the first acts of bravery we have seen. I remember months a petite woman standing up to these armed masked thugs that gave me goosebumps. The Bravest always seem to be those the Conservatives deem soft and lefty, like Nurses and Poets.

RIP Alex Pretti and Renee Nicole Good. Brave people of conscience, murdered by an authoritarian regime, for showing humanity to other humans.
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I seem to recall a study at one point that linked those that self identified as conservative/republican with a measurable difference in the fear functions of the brain.

But yes, the whole recent crumbling of their gun support does point out that they're just terrified of everything. They don't actually believe in the 2A, they just need it to feel tough/safe.
 
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DZero said:
Also, Meloni is ally of Trump, outside Italy, other NATO or European would outright ban them
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Kinda.

I don't think anyone in Europe sees Trump as an ally right now, not in the traditional sense. Real allies aren't 'transactional,' they don't join the other side. That latest round of draft dodger disrespect towards EU war dead was pretty low, even for a dipshit with dementia and piss for cranial contents. That's gonna stick.

Meloni tolerates him better than many, but don't fool yourself into thinking she's on his team. Greenland, NATO, international law, she's been pretty quick on criticizing Trump over those. Trying to balance out doing jack shit for Gaza maybe. She, historically, is sensitive when it comes to chauvinism I think. Just imagine what she says about this clown in private, like after he points out her feminine good looks to an entire diplomatic press gathering.

I believe her professional determination is having a tough time overriding her creep alarm. And her nose. Remember that summit in Egypt when he wouldn't let go of people?

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