ICE fires first shot.

[Brainonska511]

https://bsky.app/profile/gravitysra1nbow.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3mcdgqe6ie22l

Just what our conservative friends here wanted. I hope their pleased with their shitty choices.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Just what our conservative friends here wanted. I hope their pleased with their shitty choices.

As long as the leopards arent eating *their* faces

 

[Muse]

For everything thats happening there are still a whole lot of people inside the government who are increasingly furious and who will sabotage these motherfuckers.

https://bsky.app/profile/rawstory.com%2Fpost%2F3mcd6t4i4rg2m

Sabotage is one of the most powerful weapons against totalitarian regimes. Even a boycott is a form of sabotage.

 

[Jaskalas]

It's just a continuation of the clown show. Hard to run an authoritarian state when you alienate and bleed away all your state capacity.

ICE and military are the authoritarian state.
"State capacity" as you called it, the DOJ, that's their mask.
Do not confuse people resigning as a victory. Victory will be counted by the number of dead Nazis... compared to the number of people they murder before they are stopped by force.

 

[Jaskalas]

As long as the leopards arent eating *their* faces

Their leopards might not.
It's the retaliation they need to fear.

 

[Brainonska511]

ICE and military are the authoritarian state.
"State capacity" as you called it, the DOJ, that's their mask.
Do not confuse people resigning as a victory. Victory will be counted by the number of dead Nazis... compared to the number of people they murder before they are stopped by force.

You can't run a country with only goons, and Trump does not have enough goons. The wheels are coming off the bus because they failed to consolidate power and their antics are completely souring the public.

 

[Jaskalas]

You can't run a country with only goons, and Trump does not have enough goons

*looking across the world at several examples....
You know we are only human, right?

Nothing special about America that separates us from acting like, and becoming, Russia, China, or North Korea. Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan even.
I honestly do not know why you think there would be. Our people will respond to guns in their faces the same as everyone else in history has.

The idea of a DOJ is just a pretense. A mask of civility for uncivilized people to wear. To pretend there is still law and order to justify their atrocities and abuse of power. Because if all they believe is "might makes right" and all they seek is power and vengeance against a people who do not kneel. If our institutions have fallen, ask yourself what civil discourse remains between the oppressor and the oppressed? What tools do each side have at their disposal to enact change?

It's going to be mass graves. it is always mass graves.

 

[Brainonska511]

Nothing special about America that separates us from acting like, and becoming, Russia, China, or North Korea. Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan even.
I honestly do not know why you think there would be. Our people will respond to guns in their faces the same as everyone else in history has.

I think you give too little credit to your fellow citizens and are completely ignoring the responses the public is having to ICE/CBP bs. And plenty of other people have responded to throwing off their oppressors in spite of having guns in their faces - Ukraine comes to mind as a very recent example.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Need more mayors to say get the fuck out of my town!

Need more bullets to keep them out of the town.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You can't run a country with only goons, and Trump does not have enough goons. The wheels are coming off the bus because they failed to consolidate power and their antics are completely souring the public.

You'd be surprised. The gestapo is a great example of how force projection works on an unarmed, docile populace.

Contrary to popular belief, the Gestapo was not the all-pervasive, omnipotent agency in German society.[114] In Germany proper, many towns and cities had fewer than 50 official Gestapo personnel. For example, in 1939 Stettin and Frankfurt am Main only had a total of 41 Gestapo men combined.[114] In Düsseldorf, the local Gestapo office of only 281 men were responsible for the entire Lower Rhine region, which comprised 4 million people.[115] In lower Franconia, which included Würzburg, there were only twenty-two Gestapo officers overseeing 840,000 or more inhabitants; this meant that the Nazi secret police "was reliant on Germans spying on each other".[116] These "V-men", as undercover Gestapo agents were known, were used to infiltrate Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) and Communist opposition groups, but this was more the exception than the rule.[117] The Gestapo office in Saarbrücken had 50 full-term informers in 1939.[117] The District Office in Nuremberg, which had the responsibility for all of northern Bavaria, employed a total of 80–100 full-term informers between 1943 and 1945.[117] The majority of Gestapo informers were not full-term employees working undercover, but were rather ordinary citizens who chose to denounce other people to the Gestapo.[118]

 

[Jaskalas]

As one commenter said it: They're literally handing out weapons and tactical gear to hate groups.

 

[ivwshane]

As one commenter said it: They're literally handing out weapons and tactical gear to hate groups.

And you know the weapons and tactical gear will all mysteriously disappear if and when they get shut down/fired.

 

[Muse]

Need more bullets to keep them out of the town.

If that happens, Trump will send in the NG as a minimum measure, martial law is possible. And how do you envision to play out without gun firing protestors suffering much worse casualties than the oppressors? Brainonska511 is right, polling will warn Republicans they are in deep shit if ICE isn't reined in and if that doesn't do it, they will get their asses kicked in November 2026 and 2028. That may well be what happens anyway, but not clearing the tear gas will make their losses much worse.

But even some of those in favor of the community defense efforts were on edge that protesters could go too far. Residents said they were worried that with the number of agents patrolling the area and heightened tensions, weapons would be fired, deliberately or by accident.

A comment to NYTimes story:

Keeping it peaceful is so important. MLK and Ghandi understood the power of the state and the importance of peaceful methods. They made progress in their respective movements that wouldnot have occurred with violence. Unfortunately, many people still get hurt or killed, even with peaceful protests. On the other hand, individuals have every right to protect themselves from assault or intrusion into their homes.

More comments:

Where are all the 2nd amendment people who have insisted for years that they needed their guns as patriots to protect themselves against federal government overreach? Where are all the states’ rights republicans who insisted that democrats were hellbent on controlling local government?Where are all the libertarians who have supported Randy Weaver, Clive Bundy, and other armed extremists on the grounds that they were simply standing up for their rights against the federal government?Could it be that they were…..hypocrites, who simply didn’t think that any directive from a Democrat was legitimate? Hm.

The same people who wouldn't wear a mask to save your life, will wear one to take it.

If you are minding your own business pumping gas and a federal agent can come up to you and demand to see your papers that is literally no different than East Germany or the way I’ve seen police interact with citizens in my time in China. This is the definition of a police state.

MN Mom
Minnesota7h ago

President Trump sent ICE to remove “convicted murderers, drug dealers and addicts, rapists, violent released and escaped prisoners, dangerous people from foreign mental institutions and insane asylums, and other deadly criminals.”

If that is the case, why are ICE agents going after anyone who is black or brown, regardless of citizen status? Why did ICE show up at Rayito de Sol Spanish Immersion Early Learning Center, trying to nab its Spanish-speaking daycare employees? Or on the grounds of Roosevelt High School, releasing tear gas into the faces of students, teachers, and parents? Are daycare workers or high school students, teachers, or parents typically where one finds these so-called "deadly criminals"?

My daughter teaches English as a Second Language to immigrant children in St. Paul. She is now delivering groceries to her school's families, one of whom--a single mother--has barricaded herself and her 1st grade child in their tiny apartment by pushing furniture against the door. Could this young mother also be one of the "deadly criminals" our president is trying to capture? Highly unlikely.

When will enough be enough?

Post-Left
Astoria7h ago

When a president speaks of “reckoning” and “retribution” against a state, the language itself becomes a weapon. Minnesota is not a battlefield. Its neighborhoods are not enemy zones. Masked agents hauling people from grocery store parking lots, asking for papers without warrants, breaking windows, flooding streets with rifles, this is not order, it is theater. And the pleasure taken in it is unmistakable.

Power that delights in frightening its own population is not governance; it is exposure. What is revealed here is a government rehearsing how easily it can turn inward, and how eagerly it will.

The most obscene part is the ease of it. How quickly citizenship becomes conditional. How casually the state tests what it can get away with, how far the lights can be shined into windows before no one objects anymore. This is not excess; it’s calibration. A rehearsal of force, a pleasure taken in submission, a reminder issued to everyone watching: safety is provisional, rights are revocable, and mercy is not part of the design.

Anyone who still believes this power has a floor has not been paying attention.

 

[Muse]

Mr. Howard, the (MN) state representative, said federal agents for the most part did not have warrants and were staging in the parking lots of stores and apartment complexes and targeting people of color, asking for proof of citizenship.

 

[Jaskalas]

Ladies and Gentleman. I present to you the proud leader of ICE, spear heading the Nazi assault on the people of Minneapolis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1qc608y/gestapo_greg_cosplaying_as_a_nazi

 

[trenchfoot]

If the Democrats take the House and the purse strings that go with it, I wonder what they could do to defund Trump's overly inflated ICE and Border Control budget. Sure would be nice to do that as well as emptying Trump's pockets of a whole lot of other illegal shifty shifting around of OUR tax revenues to make his dreams come true. Those bonuses and incentives that Trump is dangling in front of his ICE recruitment offices would go *poof*.

Of course, the icing on the ICE cake is impeaching Trump for, among other crimes he's committed, pursuing his illegal reckless and wanton arrest spree of American citizens by his murderous masked bounty hunters.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If that happens, Trump will send in the NG as a minimum measure, martial law is possible. And how do you envision to play out without gun firing protestors suffering much worse casualties than the oppressors? Brainonska511 is right, polling will warn Republicans they are in deep shit if ICE isn't reined in and if that doesn't do it, they will get their asses kicked in November 2026 and 2028. That may well be what happens anyway, but not clearing the tear gas will make their losses much worse.


A comment to NYTimes story:


More comments:

Whether by ICE shenanigans or by his invasion of Greenland, Trump is going to find an excuse to suspend the midterms.

 

[K1052]

Mr. Howard, the (MN) state representative, said federal agents for the most part did not have warrants and were staging in the parking lots of stores and apartment complexes and targeting people of color, asking for proof of citizenship.

Everything that I've seen indicates constitutional violations galore. This is essentialy a gang sent by the President to terrorize an American city. If the courts cannot or will not rein in this wildly illegal behavior then said residents should accept that the constitution is effectively in abeyance and proceed accordingly.

 

[Viper1j]

Need more bullets to keep them out of the town.

Need snipers to make them afraid to walk the streets.

 

[Brainonska511]

You'd be surprised. The gestapo is a great example of how force projection works on an unarmed, docile populace.

Yes, but all these historical analogies are not quite right for the US, because they involve a) the slow build up of those oppressive systems, and b) populations that had lived through conversions from absolute monarchies to weak democracies that collapsed or direct to dictatorship, which could have made them more amenable to not living in a democracy in the first place. The Trump administration has skipped the "slowly boiling" step and just jumped to power boil, and that is alienating everyone. That's not a recipe for success.
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https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3mcfer4nrp22f

Time to further collapse US tourism and immigration that helps to underpin social security payments...

 

[HomerJS]

Need snipers to make them afraid to walk the streets.

Maybe citizen arming themselves with red lasers. They'll shit their pants.

 

[Viper1j]

Maybe citizen arming themselves with red lasers. They'll shit their pants.

Along with my personal favorite.silent, no muzzle flash, and just as lethal.

Cobra System Self Cocking Tactical Crossbow

 

[KMFJD]

Oglala Sioux Tribe says three tribal members arrested in Minneapolis are in ICE detention

The president of the Oglala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota said three of the four tribal members detained by ICE agents in Minneapolis last week have been transferred to an ICE facility and called for their immediate release.

apnews.com

going after natives again...

 

[Muse]

Need snipers to make them afraid to walk the streets.

Can Walz activate the NG (or other agency) to arrest ICE agents? Can the Mayor do something to protect Minneapolis citizens from this onslaught? I'm sure he wants to, are his hands really tied?

 

[Jaskalas]

Whether by ICE shenanigans or by his invasion of Greenland, Trump is going to find an excuse to suspend the midterms.

Losing Congress and continuing to ignore their existence would... help rip the mask off a little further.
But so does sending Nazi SS into Minneapolis to terrorize and murder the American citizens there.
I do not think the White House cares much about the mid terms. Perhaps they'll bark for old times sake.
What they really care about is having the Nazi SS prepared for the 2028 election.

They got 3 years to recruit and practice. Then even if they lose the election, you'll see a REAL January 6th.
Then it won't be a random crowd. It'll be a private army with the budget of the Russian military.
ICE will be used to depose Congress in 2029. Assuming we even make it that far, and win the election.