ICE fires first shot.

[HomerJS]

Nazi SS telling the American public their murder spree is not over.

'Did you not just learn?’ ICE agents threaten MN churchgoer with Renee Good lesson​

Threatening Christians. Once again this administration proves it doesn't give a damn about people they claim to defend.

 

[dank69]

So the Democrats are just the victims. They don't really make many mistakes they're just victims. This is unreal.

I agree that is unreal, which is why I never said any of that. I didn't say anything about them being victims or that they don't make mistakes.

The difference between you and I is that I exist in reality in politics, and you are excusing one of the most pathetic opposition parties as a bunch of helpless people that can't do anything to Buck the system. And after all their corruption and mistakes have been laid out in clear form over the years. That's amazing.

You "exist in reality" yet you can't even interpret my statements correctly. No you don't exist in reality, you exist in a state of blind rage.

But,

So how did Obama win and have a majority in both houses? I thought Democrats couldn't counter that multi-billion dollar industry according to your quote above.

Where did I say they can't counter it? I said they weren't able to counter it in reference to 2024. The GOP screwed the pooch so hard in 1992, 2008, and 2020 that their multi-billion dollar machine wasn't able to overcome their screwups. As the only realistic option to the GOP in a FPTP system, Democrats benefitted. I've said it before, the best advertisement for voting Democrat is to let the GOP have full control for a few years. It isn't the Democrats' fault that the American electorate has the memory of a bowl of goldfish.

lol The last years have shown quite clearly that one major reason the Dems fail is because they are and have been playing a game the Republicans haven't and aren't playing anymore, like a bunch of clueless idiots, and the Dems pathetic messaging, wimpiness, lack of any real leadership, being beholden to old ways of thought like you are saying here, and dislike of actual progressive things to message with, due to their corruption - are their major flaws and why they are such a failure of an opposition party.

Do I think Dems need to stop respecting some norms that the GOP have shit all over? Sure. Do I blame Democrats for losing in 2024? Not even a tiny bit.

 

[MrSquished]

Where did I say they can't counter it?

You don't even know what you say. All your words are just mumbo jumbo.

The difference between you and I is that I don't blame Democrats for not being able to counter the multi-billion dollar industry of conditioning people from birth to hate Democrats and vote GOP.

You literally said Democrats can't counter, and said zero about 2024 in your statement I quoted

Do I think Dems need to stop respecting some norms that the GOP have shit all over? Sure. Do I blame Democrats for losing in 2024? Not even a tiny bit.

This is just absurdist nonsense. You are in a cult. It's fucking sad. No wonder the Dems suck, they have cultists and toadies to carry their bullshit water.

Good lord.


So since now you changed your statement to just mean 2024, when did the world change so that Democrats became helpless victims between Obama winning and 2024 which you now say you are excusing them for completely.

 

[dank69]

You don't even know what you say. All your words are just mumbo jumbo.



You literally said Democrats can't counter, and said zero about 2024 in your statement I quoted



This is just absurdist nonsense. You are in a cult. It's fucking sad. No wonder the Dems suck, they have cultists and toadies to carry their bullshit water.

Good lord.


So since now you changed your statement to just mean 2024, when did the world change so that Democrats became helpless victims between Obama winning and 2024 which you now say you are excusing them for completely.

I already explained all this in my previous post. Maybe if you read it all instead of cutting out the parts explaining it you'd have a better grasp of what I am saying. The only way Democrats can counter it is when the GOP fucks the electorate too hard to sweep it away from 'independents."

 

[MrSquished]

I already explained all this in my previous post. Maybe if you read it all instead of cutting out the parts explaining it you'd have a better grasp of what I am saying. The only way Democrats can counter it is when the GOP fucks the electorate too hard to sweep it away from 'independents."

ahh so the Democrats won in 1992 and 2008 because the GOP fucked up

The GOP screwed the pooch so hard in 1992, 2008, and 2020 that their multi-billion dollar machine wasn't able to overcome their screwups. As the only realistic option to the GOP in a FPTP system, Democrats benefitted.

and the Dems lost now because of everybody's fault but theirs. Ok this is great.

So basically the Dems can do nothing but roll with the times and they lack any agency or control to change their political destiny; they are just bystanders beholden to when the GQP fucks up, or when others talk shit about them. That sounds like a totally pathetic political party - in your cultist like fervor to defend the indefensible of your cult leaders, you are basically calling them just useless dipshits. Which is kind of true and kind of one of my major points.

Imagine defending a political party you think can only win when the other party fucks up and when they lose, it's not their fault at all, Even when all the data screams otherwise. They're just useless. And you defend these people? What was your childhood like?

Are you sure you are not being Jonathon Swift here and this is not satire? Because this is some heavy cult lifting rationalizing.

 

[Jaskalas]

There is a "Democrats suck" thread, if y'all want to talk election strategy.
But... restoring civil rights, law and order, by dismantling the terrorist organization known as ICE...
We can't sell that?

 

[MrSquished]

There is a "Democrats suck" thread, if y'all want to talk election strategy.
But... restoring civil rights, law and order, by dismantling the terrorist organization known as ICE...
We can't sell that?

Well to be fair this started about talking about ways to oppose ice. The conversation did happen organically

 

[dank69]

ahh so the Democrats won in 1992 and 2008 because the GOP fucked up



and the Dems lost now because of everybody's fault but theirs. Ok this is great.

So basically the Dems can do nothing but roll with the times and they lack any agency or control to change their political destiny; they are just bystanders beholden to when the GQP fucks up, or when others talk shit about them. That sounds like a totally pathetic political party - in your cultist like fervor to defend the indefensible of your cult leaders, you are basically calling them just useless dipshits. Which is kind of true and kind of one of my major points.

Imagine defending a political party you think can only win when the other party fucks up and when they lose, it's not their fault at all, Even when all the data screams otherwise. They're just useless. And you defend these people? What was your childhood like?

Are you sure you are not being Jonathon Swift here and this is not satire? Because this is some heavy cult lifting rationalizing.

They are a pathetic political party but that is baked into the system. You go ahead and rage against them if you want, but you are ignoring the actual problems with your need for a scapegoat. If you were honest with yourself you'd know that even if Jefferies came out screaming to defund ICE you'd still be criticizing him and Democrats for something else because nothing they ever do will be good enough for you. I'm done with this sidetrack anyway. You can't have a conversation with me without strawmanning the fuck out of my positions like your life depends on it. And you never, NEVER own up to it or try to be better. Just rage on full blast like a fool.

 

[KMFJD]

You’ve Heard About Who ICE Is Recruiting. The Truth Is Far Worse. I’m the Proof.

What happens when you do minimal screening before hiring agents, arming them, and sending them into the streets? We're all finding out.

slate.com

only hiring the best, a real excruciatingly hard recruitment process

/s

 

[Muse]

You’ve Heard About Who ICE Is Recruiting. The Truth Is Far Worse. I’m the Proof.

What happens when you do minimal screening before hiring agents, arming them, and sending them into the streets? We're all finding out.

slate.com

only hiring the best, a real excruciatingly hard recruitment process

Hiring process for Trump 2.0, didn't matter for what: They had to endorse the notion that Trump actually won in 2020. That right there proves that they rejected all decent applicants.

 

[Brainonska511]

https://bsky.app/profile/jakeschwitzer.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3mcd454hhjc2w

Regime continues to bleed state capacity.

 

[HomerJS]

https://bsky.app/profile/jakeschwitzer.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3mcd454hhjc2w

Regime continues to bleed state capacity.

Sad but they kept their integrity

 

[HomerJS]

Trump DOJ refuses to investigate the murder of Renee Good

Prosecutors in DOJ's Civil Rights Division will not investigate Minneapolis ICE shooting, sources say

Prosecutors in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division were told they will not play a role in the investigation into a fatal shooting of a Minnesota woman by an ICE officer, two sources said.

www.cbsnews.com

Mass resignations over this

Mass resignations hit Justice Department's Civil Rights Division amid lack of action in Minneapolis, sources say

At least six prosecutors, most of whom are supervisors in the Civil Rights Division's criminal section, will be leaving their jobs.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Brainonska511]

Sad but they kept their integrity

It's just a continuation of the clown show. Hard to run an authoritarian state when you alienate and bleed away all your state capacity.

 

[MrSquished]

They are a pathetic political party but that is baked into the system. You go ahead and rage against them if you want, but you are ignoring the actual problems with your need for a scapegoat. If you were honest with yourself you'd know that even if Jefferies came out screaming to defund ICE you'd still be criticizing him and Democrats for something else because nothing they ever do will be good enough for you. I'm done with this sidetrack anyway. You can't have a conversation with me without strawmanning the fuck out of my positions like your life depends on it. And you never, NEVER own up to it or try to be better. Just rage on full blast like a fool.

You are ridiculous. I have stated many times in the past in our discussions that the system is unbalanced - but a decent political party would adapt and do things that we have seen them not do at all. Your position is literally pathetic nonsense. You whine about 'nothing is ever good enough' when that is simply not true - we have discussed ways the Dems could have succeceded. It's more like NOTHING THE DEMS DO TO FAIL IS EVER NOT OK WITH YOU. You literally just stated that in this conversation.

We are talking about ICE here and the main tool the Dems have is ICE funding - and the fact that you support being the same useless dipshit Dems playing the same outdated games they have been playing for years like a bunch of fools - is astoundingly stupid and incompetent.

They are literally acting like the Gestapo, kidnapping citizens, going door to door, murdering people, shooting them - and you are fine with the Dems not going after them with funding. wtf?

Fucking sad is what it is.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump DOJ refuses to investigate the murder of Renee Good

Prosecutors in DOJ's Civil Rights Division will not investigate Minneapolis ICE shooting, sources say

Prosecutors in the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division were told they will not play a role in the investigation into a fatal shooting of a Minnesota woman by an ICE officer, two sources said.

www.cbsnews.com

Somebody died! There will always be an investigation in an administration that follows the law.

 

[sandorski]

Threatening Christians. Once again this administration proves it doesn't give a damn about people they claim to defend.

Well, ya, like, they are not the right type, soooo... sigh

There will always be a new Group to blame. They will become paranoid about each other.

 

[sandorski]

More crap.

 

[hal2kilo]

More crap.

Need more mayors to say get the fuck out of my town!

 

[HomerJS]

Need more mayors to say get the fuck out of my town!

She should have immediately called 911 and reported assault.

 

[nakedfrog]

You’ve Heard About Who ICE Is Recruiting. The Truth Is Far Worse. I’m the Proof.

What happens when you do minimal screening before hiring agents, arming them, and sending them into the streets? We're all finding out.

slate.com

only hiring the best, a real excruciatingly hard recruitment process

/s

Kinda curious to search to see if I'm already on Antifawatch, but I also don't want to submit my name because who knows if they flag those for further investigation. It's throwing more 522 connection errors than the AT forums on a bad day though.

 

[K1052]

For everything thats happening there are still a whole lot of people inside the government who are increasingly furious and who will sabotage these motherfuckers.

https://bsky.app/profile/rawstory.com%2Fpost%2F3mcd6t4i4rg2m

 

[Fenixgoon]

For everything thats happening there are still a whole lot of people inside the government who are increasingly furious and who will sabotage these motherfuckers.

https://bsky.app/profile/rawstory.com%2Fpost%2F3mcd6t4i4rg2m

Good. Fuck ice

 

[Roger Wilco]

Fuck you Joe. You’re never washing that blood off your hands.

https://bsky.app/profile/ofthebraveusa.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3mcdcgauklj2y

 

[KMFJD]

good cathartic rant

https://imgur.com/WbEWPEK