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HomerJS

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Story of George Retes. Based on this alone Nurenberg 2.0 trials need to begin as soon as Democrats take over the House. Pam Bondi and Kristi Noem lied at their hearings that no US citizens are being arrested by ICE.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Question: Would it potentially be a productive protest strategy for citizens to tell/fool ICE that they're illegal and to arrest them (not sure how that would work), go get processed, prove citizenship, get out and then do it all over again?

Time ICE spends arresting legal citizens is time they're not spending cracking other people's skulls.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Question: Would it potentially be a productive protest strategy for citizens to tell/fool ICE that they're illegal and to arrest them (not sure how that would work), go get processed, prove citizenship, get out and then do it all over again?

Time ICE spends arresting legal citizens is time they're not spending cracking other people's skulls.
Not if you value your life.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Question: Would it potentially be a productive protest strategy for citizens to tell/fool ICE that they're illegal and to arrest them (not sure how that would work), go get processed, prove citizenship, get out and then do it all over again?

Time ICE spends arresting legal citizens is time they're not spending cracking other people's skulls.
They'd just imprison you for 6mo for obstruction of justice.
 
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Fenixgoon

Lifer
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Question: Would it potentially be a productive protest strategy for citizens to tell/fool ICE that they're illegal and to arrest them (not sure how that would work), go get processed, prove citizenship, get out and then do it all over again?

Time ICE spends arresting legal citizens is time they're not spending cracking other people's skulls.
Why not just report known ice agents as being illegal and have them detain and shoot themselves?
Seems like a win win.
 

MrSquished

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Story of George Retes. Based on this alone Nurenberg 2.0 trials need to begin as soon as Democrats take over the House. Pam Bondi and Kristi Noem lied at their hearings that no US citizens are being arrested by ICE.
The Democrats ain't going to do shit when they take the house. The leadership is busily voting to fund the government as Trump likes right now.

The party is close to being useless at this point. Nobody to rally behind, no fighters. The only fighters are progressive and the damn leadership tries to quash them, like they made sure AOC didn't get that leadership role in the committee, and gave it to the guy who died. Like they wouldn't endorse Mamdani. Or tell Cuomo to drop out because they are fine with sexual harassment if it could stop a progressive from winning something.

Please stop looking at the Democrats to have any balls to do anything serious.
 

Muse

Lifer
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The Democrats ain't going to do shit when they take the house. The leadership is busily voting to fund the government as Trump likes right now.

The party is close to being useless at this point. Nobody to rally behind, no fighters. The only fighters are progressive and the damn leadership tries to quash them, like they made sure AOC didn't get that leadership role in the committee, and gave it to the guy who died. Like they wouldn't endorse Mamdani. Or tell Cuomo to drop out because they are fine with sexual harassment if it could stop a progressive from winning something.

Please stop looking at the Democrats to have any balls to do anything serious.
Please stop looking at the Democrats to have any balls to do anything serious.

Well, who else? Green Party? Libertarian? You can rag on the opposition, but if you smother them, what's left?

Here's a current NYTimes article by a Democratic consultant on the question: Can the DP succeed in the coming elections. Has a ton of comments.

Link to current article at The New York Times is PAYWALL PENETRATING for 14 days, i.e. until 01/29/2026:

 

MrSquished

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Well, who else? Green Party? Libertarian? You can rag on the opposition, but if you smother them, what's left?

Here's a current NYTimes article by a Democratic consultant on the question: Can the DP succeed in the coming elections. Has a ton of comments.

Link to current article at The New York Times is PAYWALL PENETRATING for 14 days, i.e. until 01/29/2026:

Who said smother them. Vote for their challengers in every primary, throw support behind every anti democratic establishment primary candidate, and don't give the corporate Dems any money. Until they fight with every procedural tool they have available and every no vote even if something passes, and start saying the right things, or stop fighting against actual progressives who will.

Until then they are disgusting.

They will never fight. As far as any non-Republican entity which helped Trump win, the Dem establishment is right up there with the fucked up mainstream media. They are all garbage.
 
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Jaskalas

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I think you lack the courage of your convictions.
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If you actually believe it though there seems to be a clear path forward. Are you doing it?
The use of fallacy is incredible.
You hand picked the very same argument, practically verbatim, that has been used against those of us arguing for US, Europe / NATO military assistance to Ukraine.
That we, individually, should move over there and find a way to fight. Instead of the national military forces and resources it would take to get the job done. Just grass roots it. Go solo and just YOLO it.

I recently spoke of, spitballing, the sort of organization and movement we should apply here in the US.
Don't get me wrong, we have little choice to but rely on that slim hope. Going solo will not help anyone. Any actual rebellion needs organization. It needs a Governor who commands armed forces. Not sure any of them are built for that. We need a General holding office. A man of integrity and strength with the balls of steel needed to say no to tyranny. We need people we can stand with to protect our rights as they used to exist under the Constitution. And make no mistake, after saying no, holding the line, and protecting the people, it'll take mere days for Delta Force to come for them just like Maduro.

There is a system of oppression.
Where is the system to resist?
Who will mass arrest ICE as a terrorist organization and hold them accountable?
And I demand that every Democrat join us in the complete and utter abolishment of ICE.
We can start today, by not aiding and abetting them in our States. In our Cities. We push back. We drive them out. Force them to leave. We take back our home from the occupying force. We can boycott all services to them. Food, Gas, Communications, IT, Travel, everything. It is the least we can do. Deny them shelter, deny them access to our lands. Opposition must be realized, it must have consequence.
 

MrSquished

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Besides the mayor of Minneapolis saying fuck, where have the Dems been using plain language to call out the non-stop lies for years now? Plain salty language. Nowhere. Now it's too late. If the Dems, the literal opposition party, can't do it, can't see why we'd expect the media too. They all feed off of each other. Their hushed polite speak. Pathetic.

Fuck the Nazis, and fuck the Nazi enablers who had no better idea to fight than to put a senile old man up for reelection and never learn how to message, ever. It was simply beyond their measly capabilities. They've been a bunch of pathetic wimps for decades now. And still, while American citizens are shot, murdered, and abducted, are nowhere to be found.
 

Muse

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Who said smother them. Vote for their challengers in every primary, throw support behind every anti democratic establishment primary candidate, and don't give the corporate Dems any money. Until they fight with every procedural tool they have available and every no vote even if something passes, and start saying the right things, or stop fighting against actual progressives who will.

Until then they are disgusting.

They will never fight. As far as any non-Republican entity which helped Trump win, the Dem establishment is right up there with the fucked up mainstream media. They are all garbage.
They are all garbage.

Fuck youall if you think Newsom is garbage. You're full of it. Since you think you're so hot why don't you run for something, jackass.

throw support behind every anti democratic establishment primary candidate

WTF are you talking about? :rolleyes:
 

MrSquished

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Fuck youall if you think Newsom is garbage. You're full of it. Since you think you're so hot why don't you run for something, jackass.



WTF are you talking about? :rolleyes:
Newsom is borderline Democratic establishment. He is better than the main Dem establishment, he is also fighting behind the scenes to kill the billioinaire tax in Cali. He's so-so, but nowhere near as bad as the Dem establishment leadership. I woudn't count him in the Dem establishment.

Any actual progressive who primaries a Dem establishment candidate - that is who you support. Not sure how that was confusing. Get these enabling Dem establishment fuckers out of Congress & the Senate.

If you notice, of the 57 Dems who voted against the Trump administrations funding bill, most are in the progressive Caucus - who the Dem establishment tries to suppress because they do not like progressive values, and are corporate establishment Nazi enabling fucks. Vote for people like these that primary your establishment reps/Senators/governors

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Muse

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Newsom is borderline Democratic establishment. He is better than the main Dem establishment, he is also fighting behind the scenes to kill the billioinaire tax in Cali. He's so-so, but nowhere near as bad as the Dem establishment leadership. I woudn't count him in the Dem establishment.

Any actual progressive who primaries a Dem establishment candidate - that is who you support. Not sure how that was confusing. Get these enabling Dem establishment fuckers out of Congress & the Senate.

If you notice, of the 57 Dems who voted against the Trump administrations funding bill, most are in the progressive Caucus - who the Dem establishment tries to suppress because they do not like progressive values, and are corporate establishment Nazi enabling fucks. Vote for people like these that primary your establishment reps/Senators/governors

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Maybe a typo but in previous post you made it sound as though you promoted voting for anti-democratic candidates. You should have made your meaning clear.

throw support behind every anti democratic establishment primary candidate
That is at best ambiguous and if taken literally means voting for Republicans, basically. If you're referring to Democrats or Democratic candidates, capitalize!
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Maybe a typo but in previous post you made it sound as though you promoted voting for anti-democratic candidates. You should have made your meaning clear.


That is at best ambiguous and if taken literally means voting for Republicans, basically. If you're referring to Democrats or Democratic candidates, capitalize!
I'm I'm saying vote against Democratic establishment candidates. I'm not saying vote for Republicans I'm pretty clear