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IAEA reports Iran is doing Warhead experiments associated with the production of nuclear weapons

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
It seems obvious that while the Iranians may well have engaged in the kind of low-level research necessary to the weaponization of highly enriched uranium, there is no evidence that it moved any further along than that, or that they've ever produced a quantity sufficient for a weapon of any kind, or that they've constructed the very specialized infrastructure required. And that such research is apparently past-tense entirely, contrary to the deceptive ravings of the OP and his supporters...
-snip

This is of concern:

The report states that Iran has carried out a series of experiments associated with the production of nuclear weapons, high velocity explosives, and uranium enrichment. Teheran has also reportedly carried out simulations of warhead detonations and tests involving Polonium 210, a material used to develop nuclear weapons.

I would we'd all want to know when the above ocurred, an important bit of info missing in the article.

And if Iran has already delt with weaponization, they merely need to continue with enrichment. Then they'll have the pieces they need, it'll be too late.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
It seems obvious that while the Iranians may well have engaged in the kind of low-level research necessary to the weaponization of highly enriched uranium, there is no evidence that it moved any further along than that, or that they've ever produced a quantity sufficient for a weapon of any kind, or that they've constructed the very specialized infrastructure required. And that such research is apparently past-tense entirely, contrary to the deceptive ravings of the OP and his supporters...
-snip

This is of concern:

The report states that Iran has carried out a series of experiments associated with the production of nuclear weapons, high velocity explosives, and uranium enrichment. Teheran has also reportedly carried out simulations of warhead detonations and tests involving Polonium 210, a material used to develop nuclear weapons.

I would we'd all want to know when the above ocurred, an important bit of info missing in the article.

And if Iran has already delt with weaponization, they merely need to continue with enrichment. Then they'll have the pieces they need, it'll be too late.

Fern

Need some Isreali F-15/F-16 to go in Again... It'll happen sooner or later even the U.S. cannot hold them back if nukes are pointed at them.
 
Originally posted by: EXman
Need some Isreali F-15/F-16 to go in Again... It'll happen sooner or later even the U.S. cannot hold them back if nukes are pointed at them.
Don't you think Iran was fully aware of an Israeli air strike threat when they built the facilities?
 
Sigh. Enrichment to weapons grade material vs reactor grade material is a whole different ball game, and would easily be detected by the IAEA people monitoring Iranian facilities. And there's a lot more to actually creating weapons than knowing how... it requires very specialized facilities and equipment, with even Iran's most ardent foes offering no evidence whatsoever that the Iranians have such...

Yeh, I know, the next counter is to talk about undeclared facilities, which is more conjecture and fearmongering... If they have undeclared facilities that we don't know about, then bombing the declared facilities won't get the undeclared facilities, anyway, now will it? And if we had any proof that there were undeclared facilities, we'd be screaming it from the rooftops...

Like I said, think it through to the end... look past the clever sales pitches for war to the underlying facts... and you'll see it's like Saddam's WMD's, only less credible...
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: EXman
Need some Isreali F-15/F-16 to go in Again... It'll happen sooner or later even the U.S. cannot hold them back if nukes are pointed at them.
Don't you think Iran was fully aware of an Israeli air strike threat when they built the facilities?

I don't see how they couldn't as they have bombed them before. Yes I have seen satellite pics of their nuke sites before during and after construction. They will be a pain to get at but if you ruin the infrstructure around them it would seriously affect thier operations.

we'll be selling them bunker busters on the cheap. i.e. part of our Aid package to Isreal!
 
I think the bombing should be a joint effort with the US, Europe, Russia and China this would send a strong clear message to any country that it will not be tolerated and there is no one to hide behind if you try.

Russia is helping to build the Iranian reactors, and the Chinese help with the oil fields, so no chance of them doing that. Russia has also supplied Iran with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles that can knock out any ship or carrier in the gulf, and new anti-aircraft missile systems.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101...missile/row/moskit.htm



 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Just look at the Bush Admin, Jaskalas, and you'll realize that crackpots already have the bomb...

So that is your argument in favor of everyone having a nuclear weapon?
 
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
What I find funny is the hypocracy in this thread.

"Iran said they wanted to wipe Israel off the map one day, lets wipe Iran off the map"


IMO, it would be best if both of these countries wiped themselves off the map so then we would finally have some peace. I don't care for this Jew vs Muslim crap that they try to wrap the US in.


I think we have wrapped ourselves into it willfully.
 
From Jaskalas-

So that is your argument in favor of everyone having a nuclear weapon?

No, it's just my way of illustrating the idea that your argument is hollow, and w/o substance, as are current allegations wrt the Iranian nuclear program. The whole thing is paranoid puffery, fearmongering, and fraud.

Which is not to say that I'm a fan of their regime, at all, or that the situation doesn't require ongoing vigilance on the part of the IAEA and the world community.

As events of the last several years should have taught us, if we have reason to be suspicious of the Iranians, then we have even more reason to be suspicious of our own leadership...
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: db
Even IF Iran had nuclear weapons (which they do not), it is their right as a sovereign country.
Nevertheless, it would be insane for them to preemptively strike with nuclear weapons, and the ones who hold actual power in Iran know that.

The US is the country that went half way around the world to start a bogus war and tries to BS us into another one, all so we can control the oil and establish permanent military bases in the Middle East. It's about money and control. The fact that BushCo would willingly shed American blood to accomplish this makes them equal to "the terrorists".

The terrorists aren't acting in America's best interests.

By your logic, if I happen to have need of some money to feed myself, I should just go down to the bank and rob them. Advice, in future let the thinking precede the speaking. Acting in one's own self-interests is fine, but not when it is to the exclusion of any law or acceptable, decent conduct.

The proper choice would be examining and taking even 10% of the USA's wasted military budget and putting it into research of alternative fuels and new avenues for when the oil runs out. Rather than deceiving the world and your citizens, as well as sacrificing the lives of your citizens, to go and steal another country's resources because of your own unsustainable energy policies.
 
This is a fine idea to bomb Iran. The people will see that their government is in the wrong and that their desire for nuclear energy and a nuclear deterrent for invasion is simply heading down the wrong path. They will thank the countries that bomb them, I have no doubt of it.
 
Iran should fear invasion by Iraq. They have in the past been in a war with Iraq. I got a good idea, lets pull all our troops out of Iraq, and let Iran take over Iraq. That way they can contol even more of the world's economy and hire even more terrorists.

Sound's like Pelosi's Plan.

At this point we dont have any really good options. Life sucks.
 
Originally posted by: ranmaniac
I think the bombing should be a joint effort with the US, Europe, Russia and China this would send a strong clear message to any country that it will not be tolerated and there is no one to hide behind if you try.

Russia is helping to build the Iranian reactors, and the Chinese help with the oil fields, so no chance of them doing that. Russia has also supplied Iran with supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles that can knock out any ship or carrier in the gulf, and new anti-aircraft missile systems.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101...missile/row/moskit.htm

Somehow I think the US Navy has defenses against a 25 year old anti-ship missile.

The Standard Missile was upgraded a couple decades ago to deal with this threat. US ships have also been fitted out with the SeaRam CIWS for further protection.
 
Looks to me as if you dismiss concerns a bit too easily

To do so suggest 2 things:

1. If Iran produces enough LEU for break out capability and thereafter stops cooperating with inspectors you are prepared to take swift (within 3 months) strong measures, such as bombing. Or,

2. You really have no intention of stopping them.

Note: The above assumes that no "secret facilities" will be built by Iran. BTW, Iran inists even if it was contrusting such a facility (or facilities) it need not declare them until a very late date.

The inspectors appear to be currently operating under restictions which preclude them from adequatley monitoring nuke activites

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Sigh. Enrichment to weapons grade material vs reactor grade material is a whole different ball game, and would easily be detected by the IAEA people monitoring Iranian facilities. And there's a lot more to actually creating weapons than knowing how... it requires very specialized facilities and equipment, with even Iran's most ardent foes offering no evidence whatsoever that the Iranians have such...

Iran's current facilities appear sufficiently suitable to develop weapon grade enriched U235, at least according to this article. link

Two basic scenarios capture Iran?s most likely routes to developing highly enriched uranium (HEU) for its first nuclear weapons. The first would be for Iran to build and operate a secret gas-centrifuge plant. The second would be for Tehran to ?break out? after producing a stock of low-enriched uranium (LEU) that would then be used to jump-start the production of weapons-grade uranium either at its enrichment plant at Natanz or in a secret site.

A centrifuge works by increasing the percentage of the key isotope uranium-235 to a concentration higher than the less than one percent concentration found naturally in uranium. LEU fuel typically has less than a five percent uranium-235 concentration, while weapons-grade uranium has more than 90 percent of the uranium-235 isotope. A breakout scenario would involve using an accumulated stock of LEU in centrifuges to greatly shorten the amount of time needed to produce weapons-grade uranium.

These scenarios depend on the operational flexibility of gas centrifuges, which are operated together in cascades. Iran?s workhorse cascade consists of 164 centrifuges connected by pipes and designed to make LEU. Eighteen cascades are operated as a unit called a module. At the FEP, uranium hexafluoride is fed through a single point connected to each of the 18 cascades, operating in parallel to one another. At the end of each cascade, or ?top,? is additional piping that transports the enrichment product to a single collection point.

In a matter of weeks, Iran could reconfigure the piping in the cascades and start producing weapons-grade uranium. Reconfiguring the cascades would involve rerouting the piping to allow the uranium feed to travel from one cascade to the next in series. In doing so, Tehran would also have to ensure that the HEU inside the plant did not accumulate, reaching a ?critical state? where a chain reaction could start spontaneously and cause a dangerous, potentially fatal accident. Iran reportedly acquired information from Khan about how to build cascades to make HEU while avoiding criticality, which it could apply to a reconfiguration scenario.

Iran could also produce HEU without reconfiguring the cascades, although steps to prevent criticality would also be necessary. In this method, called batch recycling, the cascade product is fed back into the same cascade for subsequent cycles of enrichment. The head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) stated in an interview that weapons-grade uranium could be produced in four passes in this manner.[5]

Alternatively, if IAEA inspections were to end, Iran could achieve the same goal by adding three smaller centrifuge modules in a secret centrifuge plant or in the FEP. Pakistan designed its centrifuge plant in this manner, and Khan provided Iran with the detailed blueprints for designing such a set of cascades. In the case of the FEP, such an approach would require additional construction and thus take longer to accomplish than reconfiguration or batch recycling.

Yeh, I know, the next counter is to talk about undeclared facilities, which is more conjecture and fearmongering... If they have undeclared facilities that we don't know about, then bombing the declared facilities won't get the undeclared facilities, anyway, now will it? And if we had any proof that there were undeclared facilities, we'd be screaming it from the rooftops...

Iran operates under an old version of disclosure:

An important question?even harder to answer with weakened inspections?is whether Iran could be building a secret gas-centrifuge plant. Detecting construction of such a facility would be difficult if not impossible for the IAEA considering the limitations on its inspection rights and Iran?s refusal to declare to the IAEA any enrichment-related construction projects prior to the start of construction or operation. Iran is the only country with an active nuclear program insisting on adhering to an outdated, 1976 safeguards measure that permits such inspections only six months before the introduction of nuclear material into a facility.

Like I said, think it through to the end... look past the clever sales pitches for war to the underlying facts... and you'll see it's like Saddam's WMD's, only less credible...

The IEAE appears to be substantially hamstrung in it's efforts to adequately inspect Iran:

With weakened IAEA inspections, the invisible or black areas of Iran?s gas centrifuge program are growing. The most recent IAEA reports highlight the deterioration of the IAEA?s ability to verify Iran?s current activities, stating for example in May 2007 that unless Iran implements its version of the 1997 Model Additional Protocol, the IAEA will not be able to ?provide assurances? about the ?absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran.?[15] In January 2006, Iran ended a period of voluntary compliance with the protocol, which gives the IAEA greater ability to ferret out undeclared nuclear activities. Iran had agreed to the protocol during the period when it suspended its enrichment activities as part of an agreement with the European Union.

Little is known now about where Iran manufactures individual P-1 centrifuge components. Before the suspension ended, the IAEA had a good understanding of the many locations that had been involved in manufacturing and assembling the P-1 centrifuges. Iran is believed capable of making the roughly 100 P-1 centrifuge components, despite still needing to acquire certain materials and equipment overseas. Iran assembles P-1 centrifuges at Natanz, although it may have other sites also equipped for assembly. Under existing safeguards, the IAEA is not allowed to visit manufacturing, assembly, or storage sites.
Another opaque area is Iran?s overseas acquisition needs for its centrifuge program. Such information can act as a barometer of Iran?s technological progress and stumbling blocks. Iran has long maintained an international illicit nuclear procurement network, which outfitted its centrifuge program in the first place. During the last few years, Iran has sought a range of items overseas for its centrifuge program, including specialized valves, vacuum pumps, oils, spare parts for its existing equipment, and possibly used manufacturing equipment.

Iran also has not provided the IAEA access to its P-2 centrifuge effort, although it has agreed to answer questions from inspectors about the history of this program. Iranian statements about this program will mean little if its safeguards inspectors cannot verify them. The Iranian P-2 centrifuge is a modified, more advanced version of a centrifuge provided by Khan. Within the next few years, Iran is expected to try to build the more powerful P-2 centrifuges, rather than P-1s. Reliably determining this program?s status and location is dependent on intelligence agencies, which are limited in their ability to collect and learn about Iran?s nuclear program.
 
I reeaallly don't appreciate having my hard earned money taken away to be spent on a holy/oil war of which I would care absolutely nothing about if it were not for my complete and utter despise for its mere existence and every person who willingly participates in it.

Anyway... Lies, lies and more lies.
 
As the article you linked points out much better than I can, Fern, attacking Iran in any sort of fashion short of invasion and occupation will not necessarily destroy all their facilities, and will merely assure their development of nuclear weapons. That's pretty straightforward.

Who's ready for that? Iran is a lot bigger than Iraq, with 2.5X the population and considerably more resources, not to mention that their govt has demonstrated support among the populace to repel foreign invaders, aka the Iraqis. They took horrific losses in defense of their homeland, and it's unlikely that they'd react any differently to us doing the same... I sure as hell wouldn't bet on the population rising up against their own govt on account of the Great Satan's Skyraiders...

Ready to re-institute the draft, take huge casualties, raise taxes astronomically, loot the treasury even more, pay a fortune for oil?

And, uhh, that's just for the invasion- occupation would be another horror story, like Iraq, only bigger...

Think it through...

 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
As the article you linked points out much better than I can, Fern, attacking Iran in any sort of fashion short of invasion and occupation will not necessarily destroy all their facilities, and will merely assure their development of nuclear weapons. That's pretty straightforward.

Who's ready for that? Iran is a lot bigger than Iraq, with 2.5X the population and considerably more resources, not to mention that their govt has demonstrated support among the populace to repel foreign invaders, aka the Iraqis. They took horrific losses in defense of their homeland, and it's unlikely that they'd react any differently to us doing the same... I sure as hell wouldn't bet on the population rising up against their own govt on account of the Great Satan's Skyraiders...

Ready to re-institute the draft, take huge casualties, raise taxes astronomically, loot the treasury even more, pay a fortune for oil?

And, uhh, that's just for the invasion- occupation would be another horror story, like Iraq, only bigger...

Think it through...
It is the radicals that are driving the research for their own motives

Remove the government that this advocating conflict with the backing of the weapons.

Then let the reasonable people handle the use of nuclear power for the country rather than weapons.

Occupation of the country should not be needed.



 
This thread is based upon unknown (or false) assumptions.

The title of the OP article:

Foreign Ministry: IAEA report proves Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons

What the IAEA says:

Latest Iran Safeguards Report Circulated to IAEA Board

The report is not public - the IAEA Board will review the report and decide upon its public release on March 3.


What Mohamed ElBaradei (IAEA Director General) said:

"Our task in Iran is to make sure that the Iranian nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes. We are at it for the last five years. In the last four months, in particular, we have made quite good progress in clarifying the outstanding issues that had to do with Iran´s past nuclear activities, with the exception of one issue, and that is the alleged weaponization studies that supposedly Iran has conducted in the past. We have managed to clarify all the remaining outstanding issues, including the most important issue, which is the scope and nature of Iran´s enrichment programme. We have made good progress, with still one issue on our agenda and I call on Iran to act as actively as possible, as fast as possible, for me to be able (to ensure) that all issues, that have to do with Iran´s past nuclear activities, have been clarified.

"In addition to our work, to clarify Iran´s past nuclear activities, we have to make sure, naturally, that Iran´s current activities are also exclusively for peace purposes and for that we have been asking Iran to conclude the so called Additional Protocol, which gives us the additional authority to visit places, additional authority to have additional documents, to be able to provide assurance, not only that Iran´s declared activities are for peaceful purposes but that there are no undeclared nuclear activities. On that score, Iran in the last few months has provided us with visits to many places, that enable us to have a clearer picture of Iran´s current programme. However, that is not, in my view, sufficient. We need Iran to implement the Additional Protocol. We need to have that authority as a matter of law. That, I think, is a key for us to start being able to build progress in providing assurance that Iran´s past and current programmes are exclusively for peaceful purposes. So we have the Protocol issue and we have the weaponization, alleged weaponization studies. I should however add that in connection with the weaponization studies, we have not seen any indication that these studies were linked to nuclear material. So that gives us some satisfaction but the issue is still critical for us to be able to come to a determination as to the nature of Iran´s nuclear programme.

"As a result of Iran running an undeclared nuclear programme for almost two decades, there has been confidence deficit on the part of the international community about the intentions, future intentions of Iran´s nuclear programme. Therefore the Security Council asked Iran to suspend its enrichment-related activities. I hope that Iran will continue to work closely with the Security Council, to create the conditions for Iran and the international community to engage in comprehensive negotiation that would lead to a durable solution. A durable solution requires confidence about Iran´s nuclear programme, it requires a regional security arrangement, it requires normal trade relationship between Iran and the international community. As the Security Council stated, the ultimate aim should be normalization of relationships between Iran and the international community. Definitely the Agency will continue to do as much as we can to make sure that we also contribute to the confidence-building process with regard to the past and present nuclear activities in Iran, but naturally, we can not provide assurance about future intentions. That is inherently a diplomatic process that needs the engagement of all the parties."


Jhhnn tried to point this out to everyone on the first page of this thread which, conveniently everyone appears to have ignored.

No doubt Iran needs to come clean about the history of its program. But this thread and the OP's article is nothing short of propaganda - the same genre of propaganda that led us to Iraq.

 
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
As the article you linked points out much better than I can, Fern, attacking Iran in any sort of fashion short of invasion and occupation will not necessarily destroy all their facilities, and will merely assure their development of nuclear weapons. That's pretty straightforward.

Who's ready for that? Iran is a lot bigger than Iraq, with 2.5X the population and considerably more resources, not to mention that their govt has demonstrated support among the populace to repel foreign invaders, aka the Iraqis. They took horrific losses in defense of their homeland, and it's unlikely that they'd react any differently to us doing the same... I sure as hell wouldn't bet on the population rising up against their own govt on account of the Great Satan's Skyraiders...

Ready to re-institute the draft, take huge casualties, raise taxes astronomically, loot the treasury even more, pay a fortune for oil?

And, uhh, that's just for the invasion- occupation would be another horror story, like Iraq, only bigger...

Think it through...
It is the radicals that are driving the research for their own motives

Remove the government that this advocating conflict with the backing of the weapons.

Then let the reasonable people handle the use of nuclear power for the country rather than weapons.

Occupation of the country should not be needed.

We tried that in 1950, and that hasn't helped much.

A brief history of nuclear weapon research in Iran. First, it wasn't the Islamic powers that promoted it. Many stood against it in fact. The secular moderates drove the program and not to support terrorism, but for MAD reasons. Anyone invading them may inflict harm, but ultimately they could strike a crippling blow in return. It wasn't so much the West they were concerned about, but the unstable region they occupy.

Of course with our bull in the china shop policies, we've destabilized Iran and caused the conditions for radical elements to come into power. Now we have to limit the damage with some magic wand. There isn't a good solution to all this.
 
Originally posted by: db
Even IF Iran had nuclear weapons (which they do not), it is their right as a sovereign country.
Nevertheless, it would be insane for them to preemptively strike with nuclear weapons, and the ones who hold actual power in Iran know that.

The US is the country that went half way around the world to start a bogus war and tries to BS us into another one, all so we can control the oil and establish permanent military bases in the Middle East. It's about money and control. The fact that BushCo would willingly shed American blood to accomplish this makes them equal to "the terrorists".

Having nukes is not a right. The powers that be in Iran are "INSANE" i.e. holocaust never happened 150+ beheaddings so far this year. Regardless nobody wants Iran to have them except Iran and anyone selling them materials/knowledge.

Your opinion about Bush makes them equal to "the terrorists". That is laughable and shows how fringe you are.

I'm not a Bush supporter but he's no terrorist.
 
Originally posted by: manowar821
I reeaallly don't appreciate having my hard earned money taken away to be spent on a holy/oil war of which I would care absolutely nothing about if it were not for my complete and utter despise for its mere existence and every person who willingly participates in it.

Anyway... Lies, lies and more lies.

It's a good thing you don't pay any taxes then isn't it?
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
As the article you linked points out much better than I can, Fern, attacking Iran in any sort of fashion short of invasion and occupation will not necessarily destroy all their facilities, and will merely assure their development of nuclear weapons. That's pretty straightforward.

Who's ready for that? Iran is a lot bigger than Iraq, with 2.5X the population and considerably more resources, not to mention that their govt has demonstrated support among the populace to repel foreign invaders, aka the Iraqis. They took horrific losses in defense of their homeland, and it's unlikely that they'd react any differently to us doing the same... I sure as hell wouldn't bet on the population rising up against their own govt on account of the Great Satan's Skyraiders...

Ready to re-institute the draft, take huge casualties, raise taxes astronomically, loot the treasury even more, pay a fortune for oil?

And, uhh, that's just for the invasion- occupation would be another horror story, like Iraq, only bigger...

Think it through...

I don't disagree with you here. Although I have no reason to believe we'll need a draft or an extended occupation. If the nuke facilities are out in a rural area perhaps we can rush in, destroy the facilities and exit quickly.

(I'm sure someone will say that we can destroy the facilities by bombing alone, personally IDK.)

What's is more interesting to me is the timetable laid out in the article - the months timetable. 3 months after developing sufficient quantities of LUE they could build a bomb.

If that's accurate, or perhaps I should say widely believed, that sets up some awful senarios. If after achieve the sufficient quantity of LUE Iran were to get in a tiff and throw the inspecters out people are gonna go into panic, at least those who wish to prevent Iran from going nuclear.

3 months seems a rather small time frame for the world community to act, much less give consideration.

Looks to me like everything is being laid out to create a "crisis mode" sometime in the near future.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: manowar821
I reeaallly don't appreciate having my hard earned money taken away to be spent on a holy/oil war of which I would care absolutely nothing about if it were not for my complete and utter despise for its mere existence and every person who willingly participates in it.

Anyway... Lies, lies and more lies.

It's a good thing you don't pay any taxes then isn't it?

Federal income tax isn't the only form of taxation in this country... 😕
 
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: manowar821
I reeaallly don't appreciate having my hard earned money taken away to be spent on a holy/oil war of which I would care absolutely nothing about if it were not for my complete and utter despise for its mere existence and every person who willingly participates in it.

Anyway... Lies, lies and more lies.

It's a good thing you don't pay any taxes then isn't it?

Federal income tax isn't the only form of taxation in this country... 😕

Taxes are for suckers. Are you a sucker?
 
Please, Fern- how long is the border between Iran and Iraq? If you think that the Iranians will just take a hit from the US and then do nothing, you're not looking past the end of your nose...

Oh, yeh- they border on Afghanistan, too... and there's that funny crook in the supertanker highway, the strait of Hormuz...

They fought the Iraqis for 10 years, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people... the only reason they didn't crush the Iraqis completely was strong western support for the Iraqis... It's not like they'll roll over and play dead, certainly with the Great Satan's forces conveniently deployed nearby, or that they don't have persistence...

Remove their govt, Common Courtesy? Hardly. The reason that their hardliners came to the fore was all the threats and raving from the Bushistas- the Iranian people voted them into office, after all, over more moderate choices, because they felt threatened- Who wouldn't? And they'll fight to keep that government, even if they're not completely happy with it- it's their own, not imposed by foreign powers, and that means a lot to them... They have their own patriots, people who'll fight and die to preserve what they see as their freedom...

I also think that 3 month window for a breakout to having weapons is dependent on things that haven't been shown to exist- secret facilities for enrichment to weapons grade material, along with very specialized industrial facilities just waiting for the order to go...

 
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