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IAEA reports Iran is doing Warhead experiments associated with the production of nuclear weapons
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glenn1
Lifer
"Only" called for Israel's destruction? I certainly hope you don't treat that possibility as casually as that statement comes across, like it were simply someone committing a faux pas.
Some serious questions for you though Aimster - do you feel that Iran is currently operating under, or likely to be swayed by considerations of cold, calculated rational decisions of self-interest? If so, what would those be? What methods would or wouldn't be effective (carrots or sticks), if we're seeking a resolution favorable to Western interests? To what extent do you feel that the worries of some that Iran might be inclined to act upon a messianic/death wish desire to hasten the arrival of the 13th Imam by incinerating Tel Aviv?
Noobtastic
Banned
Ok, you win Aimster.
XD
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig
Watch that. Sounds like the U.S is just as fanatical and wacko.
Hmm..
Noobtastic
Banned
Stop feeding him.
Probably some Iranian MP trying to transfer his country's policies of religious fundamentalism and unreasoned hate.
Probably some Iranian MP trying to transfer his country's policies of religious fundamentalism and unreasoned hate.
glenn1
Lifer
Okay, I've watched your video, and for purposes of this argument, I'll stipulate to your assertions that both countries are run by fanatical wacko relious nuts, and that Iran has 'only' called for the destruction of the regime of Israel. So what *action* do you propose we take, if any at all?
What actions should Iran take on the U.S for trying to overthrow their regime?
U.S does what Iran does to the U.S
They both support terrorist groups against the other
Both fund terrorist groups against the other
Both like to attack each other via proxy.
Both are run by religious nuts.
Noobtastic
Banned
i would run a sophisticated two sided counter which would hopefully end whatever rationalizations you're able to troll around here...but i wont.
You know why? Cause I just don't care. Honestly.
Please, do us all a favor and wack to Iranian craziness somewhere else.
Like I said, the Israeli fanbois are desperate, as is the Bush Admin to even attempt to represent this latest report from the IAEA as anything other than positive wrt Iranian cooperation with that agency. If anything, it'll increase the likelihood of sanctions being ignored or lifted, deflate the war balloon.
Flooding every media venue with agitprop is no longer a winning tactic, guys- the fearmongering potential of 9/11 and the "terrarist threat!" has been beat into the ground, worn out. Every attempt to resurrect it just marks the perps with the stigma of the boy who keeps crying Wolf!
Open discussion of this latest report, once it's actually made public, should further discredit the voices in favor of perpetual war. So, uhh, rave on, fools, embarass yourselves and your cause further. Now that's justice...
Flooding every media venue with agitprop is no longer a winning tactic, guys- the fearmongering potential of 9/11 and the "terrarist threat!" has been beat into the ground, worn out. Every attempt to resurrect it just marks the perps with the stigma of the boy who keeps crying Wolf!
Open discussion of this latest report, once it's actually made public, should further discredit the voices in favor of perpetual war. So, uhh, rave on, fools, embarass yourselves and your cause further. Now that's justice...
db
Lifer
Even IF Iran had nuclear weapons (which they do not), it is their right as a sovereign country.
Nevertheless, it would be insane for them to preemptively strike with nuclear weapons, and the ones who hold actual power in Iran know that.
The US is the country that went half way around the world to start a bogus war and tries to BS us into another one, all so we can control the oil and establish permanent military bases in the Middle East. It's about money and control. The fact that BushCo would willingly shed American blood to accomplish this makes them equal to "the terrorists".
Nevertheless, it would be insane for them to preemptively strike with nuclear weapons, and the ones who hold actual power in Iran know that.
The US is the country that went half way around the world to start a bogus war and tries to BS us into another one, all so we can control the oil and establish permanent military bases in the Middle East. It's about money and control. The fact that BushCo would willingly shed American blood to accomplish this makes them equal to "the terrorists".
Jaskalas
Lifer
Since when did Russia and China care about their pawns developing nuclear weapons? It is to their advantage to use Iran against us. Europe only cares because we care, otherwise they too would do absolutely nothing about nuclear proliferation.
Americans themselves, especially after Iraq, are divided mostly among party lines in opposition or in favor of nuclear proliferation.
Who the hell do you think is left standing to ensure there isn't a nuclear weapon in every crackpot's hand? Listen to the liberals on this forum, and then tell me you honestly think anyone is going to stop any crackpot from having the bomb?
BarneyFife
Diamond Member
What I find funny is the hypocracy in this thread.
"Iran said they wanted to wipe Israel off the map one day, lets wipe Iran off the map"
IMO, it would be best if both of these countries wiped themselves off the map so then we would finally have some peace. I don't care for this Jew vs Muslim crap that they try to wrap the US in.
"Iran said they wanted to wipe Israel off the map one day, lets wipe Iran off the map"
IMO, it would be best if both of these countries wiped themselves off the map so then we would finally have some peace. I don't care for this Jew vs Muslim crap that they try to wrap the US in.
Noobtastic
Banned
...seriously?
It would be in OUR best interest to get rid of Iran and Syria, since they are the only financiers of the Iraq insurgency.
If a European or American state was being threatened by Iran with "we will wipe [insert state here]" the first thing they would do is BOMB them.
Bomb bomb bomb. If New York was Israel and Hezbollah was firing rockets, NW wouldn't go after individual cells and militants. We would take our biggest bomb and drop it on Iran, Syria, and whoever else was backing the militants. Then we would rebuild.
That's how Europe and America would do it. What we expect of Israel is not only unfair, just plain retarded.
And then on top of this they want PEACE.
HAHAHAHA.
Hilarious.
Fern
Elite Member
That's a rather telling remark. :roll:
Contrary to your rosy depiction, ElBaradei himself is not satisfied:
As to your remarks regarding the release of the report - yes then we will know better.
But if it found that Iran is continuing efforts regarding the weaponization of nuke materials strong measures are called for IMO.
Fern
If you're going to quote me, Fern, at least have the courtesy to do so in a fair way. What I said was this-
Which is the how I see it- their greed and intransigence wrt the palestinians and the world community will be their downfall, and possibly our own, unless they change their ways. Very straightforward.
It seems obvious that while the Iranians may well have engaged in the kind of low-level research necessary to the weaponization of highly enriched uranium, there is no evidence that it moved any further along than that, or that they've ever produced a quantity sufficient for a weapon of any kind, or that they've constructed the very specialized infrastructure required. And that such research is apparently past-tense entirely, contrary to the deceptive ravings of the OP and his supporters...
Like any nuclear weapons capable state, they want to keep their options open, not necessarily to exercise them, as the Israelis have obviously done... and, for sure, the quickest way to convince them that they need nukes would be for any state possessing such weapons to attack them... particularly based on innuendo and fearmongering.
Think it through to the end...
Yeh, sure, El Baredei wants more, and he'll likely get it- then what? What happens when he can't come up with any more questions that aren't a transparent attempt to prevent enrichment to reactor fuel levels? He opposes the proliferation of such technology, understandably, but that's not really his job, given that the NPT promises signatory states that they can do so under the proper supervision by the IAEA... which he acknowledges as happening...
Which is the how I see it- their greed and intransigence wrt the palestinians and the world community will be their downfall, and possibly our own, unless they change their ways. Very straightforward.
It seems obvious that while the Iranians may well have engaged in the kind of low-level research necessary to the weaponization of highly enriched uranium, there is no evidence that it moved any further along than that, or that they've ever produced a quantity sufficient for a weapon of any kind, or that they've constructed the very specialized infrastructure required. And that such research is apparently past-tense entirely, contrary to the deceptive ravings of the OP and his supporters...
Like any nuclear weapons capable state, they want to keep their options open, not necessarily to exercise them, as the Israelis have obviously done... and, for sure, the quickest way to convince them that they need nukes would be for any state possessing such weapons to attack them... particularly based on innuendo and fearmongering.
Think it through to the end...
Yeh, sure, El Baredei wants more, and he'll likely get it- then what? What happens when he can't come up with any more questions that aren't a transparent attempt to prevent enrichment to reactor fuel levels? He opposes the proliferation of such technology, understandably, but that's not really his job, given that the NPT promises signatory states that they can do so under the proper supervision by the IAEA... which he acknowledges as happening...
Without a draft, there is no way we have the resources to take down Iran.
Bombing their nuclear facilities is not taking them down.
In fact, I'm wondering if bombing will do anything to their program. They rebuilt most of their facilities in secret. When engineering the facilities, bomb-hardening them would be their #1 concern. Nobody...not the IAEA, not the US...knows exactly how deep they are buried. It is highly unlikely they even revealed all the facilities to the IAEA; they revealed just enough to give the appearance of cooperation.
Anything less than a full scale ground invasion and inspection of their activities will not stop them. And since that isn't an option right now, their activities will continue indefinitely. Once they actually reveal they have nuclear weapons, then the point of all these inspections, sanctions, etc., will be moot.
Bombing their nuclear facilities is not taking them down.
In fact, I'm wondering if bombing will do anything to their program. They rebuilt most of their facilities in secret. When engineering the facilities, bomb-hardening them would be their #1 concern. Nobody...not the IAEA, not the US...knows exactly how deep they are buried. It is highly unlikely they even revealed all the facilities to the IAEA; they revealed just enough to give the appearance of cooperation.
Anything less than a full scale ground invasion and inspection of their activities will not stop them. And since that isn't an option right now, their activities will continue indefinitely. Once they actually reveal they have nuclear weapons, then the point of all these inspections, sanctions, etc., will be moot.
Iran has tons of bio and chemical weapons and have yet to use them on any country in a offensive manner. They have also not given out these highly dangerous weapons out to extremist groups either. While they have done a lot of saber rattling there has yet to be a single example of them launching bio or chem attacks against Israel. If anything their weapons serve more as a deterrent from full scale invasion by the US and Israel. I have a feeling that nukes would act in the same manner. Israel has the means to destroy Iran using their own nukes and the US do so as well. Most of these folks trying to hint or say that Iran will use any nuke they develop are being a wee bit overzealous seeing as how easily traceable nuclear material is to it's source nation when it's used or distributed
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