I7 920 (1st Gen) OC @ 3.6 Ghz looking for upgrade

[Dave2150]

I only need USB 3 for emptying my DSLR's memory card (24MP files) and my X58 motherboard has that feature anyway.
SATA 3 would be nice (my motherboard has it but with a crappy controller so I don't use it) but it's such a small difference with SATA 2, when compared to the huge leap going from an HDD to an SSD.
My motherboard is the EVGA FTW3, and it is STILL under warranty.
I don't care about the CPU warranty: it's cheap, and it's a Xeon: a workhorse server CPU.

For me it is not even a money issue: I thought about it, with a cheap upgrade, I get a machine comparable to 4770K in performance, and even better in multithreaded. I do not need to upgrade everything now: waiting a year or two for prices to come down and all the new technology to mature is a much better thing to do in my opinion.

I don't feel limited at all with my PC, with a 4GHz 6-core CPU, 16GB of RAM, an SSD and a GTX 970.

Is it really wise to spend at least $1'100 ( http://pcpartpicker.com/p/QTrm23 ) to get a new motherboard, a new CPU and 32GB of DDR4 RAM, with Skylake just around the corner?
(and before you argue about my choice of parts, no, I will not invest in X99 with a cheap 150$ motherboard or only 16GB of RAM that I already have on X58)

and the thing with new tech is that it's often not stable or mature.
remember SATA 3 when it first came out on X58 with the Marvell chipset? it was complete crap.
so I'd rather not jump on new technology the minute it comes out.

Unless you have some specific needs, or really care about power usage, or tons of cash to burn, spending 60 to 150$ for a massive CPU upgrade is more than enough to wait a little longer for Skylake to come out, especially for gaming.
It will let OP spend money on a better GPU, and save for a better replacement in 1 or 2 years.

I play the most recent games at Ultra settings at ease, at 1920x1200.
Postprocessing is also much nicer with a 4GHz 6-cores CPU, although I could use more RAM.
if I had any performance issues, I would not have hesitated to upgrade to X99, that was even my intention before I found out about the cheap Xeons.

I find it amusing that you included a 32GB DDR4 setup in the X99 price you quoted, I assume this is just to make X99 appear more expensive than it is to jump onto.

If you sold your existing setup (RAM included), x99 doesn't cost that much to move to. You get all the new toys to play with (the features I linked) plus the great performance x99 affords.

X58 is over 6 years old already - if you believe you have to wait a few more years for these new technologies to mature, then I give up.

Maybe in 20 years Sata3, M.2, USB3 will be stable enough for you? :whiste:

 

[jihe]

X58 platform is utter crap now though, in terms of feature support.

No SATA3, no PCI-EV3, no M.2, no Sata Express, all CPU's/motherboards out of warranty, no UEFI, no USB3.

I wouldn't recommend investing more money into old x58 hardware. Better to save for something new, with warranty, with new technologies, better efficiency, an upgrade path etc etc.

OP already has an X58 set up. I wouldn't call $60 an "investment", especially considered the time and convenience factor of a drop-in cpu replacement as opposed to assembling a new system and reinstalling everything. Seriously the main drawback of a new platform for me isn't even the money, it's the pain of reinstalling everything and customizing the system to run exactly the way I wanted.

 

[escrow4]

Because you can do it for very little money while waiting for emerging tech to come down in price over the next year or two. Thinking mostly of DDR4 and Pcie SSD's.

So, why spend a ton now, when your X99 will soon be replaced with a new socket, and very few of your parts will carry forward.

Tech is always emerging. Meanwhile you want to keep old crap on an obsolete platform? Eh?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Geez, people, it's a drop-in CPU replacement. Not a lot of work, or huge money, like a new X99 rig would be.

 

[MongGrel]

I find it amusing that you included a 32GB DDR4 setup in the X99 price you quoted, I assume this is just to make X99 appear more expensive than it is to jump onto.

If you sold your existing setup (RAM included), x99 doesn't cost that much to move to. You get all the new toys to play with (the features I linked) plus the great performance x99 affords.

X58 is over 6 years old already - if you believe you have to wait a few more years for these new technologies to mature, then I give up.

Maybe in 20 years Sata3, M.2, USB3 will be stable enough for you? :whiste:

NM, I won't resort to being abusive.

Tech is always emerging. Meanwhile you want to keep old crap on an obsolete platform? Eh?

I'll redact that one also.

Geez, people, it's a drop-in CPU replacement. Not a lot of work, or huge money, like a new X99 rig would be.

Yeah, I still need to pop the X5650 in the bedroom, popped a X5680 in here I happened upon one day in here, still running pretty happy at 4.5 without pushing it overly hard.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2335636&highlight=l5639&page=91

 

[scannall]

Tech is always emerging. Meanwhile you want to keep old crap on an obsolete platform? Eh?

It's only obsolete if it can't do what you need to get done. And performance wise I'd hardly call it crap. Upgrade early in a socket's life cycle, not at the end.

The PCIe SSD and the DDR4 are 'The Next Big Thing' as it were. What he currently has meets his needs and then some. It only makes sense to limit his upgrade to the Xeon, which is competitive with the 4770. Not to mention very little money.

To go out and spend a ton of money on a new rig that uses a soon to be replaced socket, and before the DDR4 and PCIe SSD's have a chance to come down in price would be foolish.

 

[squirrel dog]

I give that an Amen .

 

[Venoom]

I find it amusing that you included a 32GB DDR4 setup in the X99 price you quoted, I assume this is just to make X99 appear more expensive than it is to jump onto.

If you sold your existing setup (RAM included), x99 doesn't cost that much to move to. You get all the new toys to play with (the features I linked) plus the great performance x99 affords.

X58 is over 6 years old already - if you believe you have to wait a few more years for these new technologies to mature, then I give up.

Maybe in 20 years Sata3, M.2, USB3 will be stable enough for you? :whiste:

you must have missed this part, let me quote it again for you in bold red:

(and before you argue about my choice of parts, no, I will not invest in X99 with a cheap 150$ motherboard or only 16GB of RAM that I already have on X58)

I was showing you what I would spend if I upgraded to X99.
I already have 16GB for few years already. I would obviously buy 4 8GB sticks for quad channel.
and we're talking about an extra 150$, it's not what makes the upgrade expensive, it's a moot point.

you don't get it, I do not believe I have to wait, I believe I am not missing out on anything by waiting and an upgrade right now is not mandatory for me. I was merely explaining my reasons for staying with X58.
my rig is more than fast enough for anything I throw at it and I can wait for X99's replacement with ease.

 

[Chocu1a]

If money is no object for the OP, then get by all means get an i7 5820k & new mobo, & ddr4.
If on a budget, SERIOUSLY consider a 6 core Xeon for his current x58 and OC it.

Like I said, It keeps pace with almost any current cpu. In real world applications, the lack of those current features only means a few seconds difference. Unless all you really want is bragging rights. Not worth $800+ imho.

 

[ozzy702]

It's only obsolete if it can't do what you need to get done. And performance wise I'd hardly call it crap. Upgrade early in a socket's life cycle, not at the end.

The PCIe SSD and the DDR4 are 'The Next Big Thing' as it were. What he currently has meets his needs and then some. It only makes sense to limit his upgrade to the Xeon, which is competitive with the 4770. Not to mention very little money.

To go out and spend a ton of money on a new rig that uses a soon to be replaced socket, and before the DDR4 and PCIe SSD's have a chance to come down in price would be foolish.

^ Bingo. Upgrade early in a socket's life cycle, not at the very end. Use the xeon for the next year to year and a half and then upgrade when an upgrade makes sense.

 

[john3850]

If you have a use for Sli or CF the x99 is the way to go.
I have a 930 at 4200 next I built a 2500k at 4700 and disliked it only used it for a month so I gave it to my wife and went back to the x58.
Next I built 3770k at 4600 and never went back to that x58 and yes there is a big difference between that x58 and 3770k never mind a 4790k.

 

[Burpo]

X58 also has 40 pci-e lanes for Sli..

 

[soccerballtux]

meh, upgrade your RAM and GPU. Anything Nehalem and later is a modern CPU not worth upgrading in my book

 

[mdzapeer]

This is what I ended up going with

I75820K
X99
RAMPAGE V EXTREME
Crosair Obsidian 900D
Dominator Platinum Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4 DRAM 2800MHz C16 Memory Kit (CMD16GX4M4A2800C16)
Hydro Series H110i GT 280mm
And some extra Fans for the case.

 

[Chocu1a]

This is what I ended up going with

I75820K
X99
RAMPAGE V EXTREME
Crosair Obsidian 900D
Dominator Platinum Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4 DRAM 2800MHz C16 Memory Kit (CMD16GX4M4A2800C16)
Hydro Series H110i GT 280mm
And some extra Fans for the case.

Solid upgrade. Enjoy it! Nice case, too.

 

[Venoom]

This is what I ended up going with

I75820K
X99
RAMPAGE V EXTREME
Crosair Obsidian 900D
Dominator Platinum Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4 DRAM 2800MHz C16 Memory Kit (CMD16GX4M4A2800C16)
Hydro Series H110i GT 280mm
And some extra Fans for the case.

congrats, very solid upgrade :thumbsup:

 

[Arachnotronic]

This is what I ended up going with

I75820K
X99
RAMPAGE V EXTREME
Crosair Obsidian 900D
Dominator Platinum Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4 DRAM 2800MHz C16 Memory Kit (CMD16GX4M4A2800C16)
Hydro Series H110i GT 280mm
And some extra Fans for the case.

Looks great!

 

[john3850]

Why would any one waste 3 500 doller cards on a x58 with half the bandwith of a x99.
These cheap 6 cores are nice toys to play with and far from the holy grail of cpus.
With the x58 you must have the best of the mb to use those high BCLK.
Yet you can buy a hundred doller mb to use with a Devil’s Canyon with and get twice IPC it is not a hard choice to make.

 

[ozzy702]

Why would any one waste 3 500 doller cards on a x58 with half the bandwith of a x99.
These cheap 6 cores are nice toys to play with and far from the holy grail of cpus.
With the x58 you must have the best of the mb to use those high BCLK.
Yet you can buy a hundred doller mb to use with a Devil’s Canyon with and get twice IPC it is not a hard choice to make.

Um... Devil's Canyon doesn't have anywhere near twice the IPC of the six cores we're discussing. Clock for clock they are actually fairly close. Yes you can pull 4.6-4.8ghz our of Devil's Canyon (not on a cheap mobo) with proper cooling but you can pull 4.2ghz or higher out of these six cores as well and at 4.2ghz will pull the same single core scores as a stock DC and will absolutely crush it on multithreaded workloads.

If you already have an X58 platform then the smart move at this point is to pop a six core in and wait for Skylake.

 

[RaistlinZ]

This is what I ended up going with

I75820K
X99
RAMPAGE V EXTREME
Crosair Obsidian 900D
Dominator Platinum Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4 DRAM 2800MHz C16 Memory Kit (CMD16GX4M4A2800C16)
Hydro Series H110i GT 280mm
And some extra Fans for the case.

Why are you overpaying so much for your RAM? $420.00??

You can get the G.Skill 2800 CL16 set for exactly half the price. I have that same set. Works great at 15-15-15-1T.

 

[mdzapeer]

Why are you overpaying so much for your RAM? $420.00??

You can get the G.Skill 2800 CL16 set for exactly half the price. I have that same set. Works great at 15-15-15-1T.

I guess its the brand experience, I have had very good experience with Crosair, and it will backup me up when I overclock. I still have time to switch to G.Skill, but I have not heard must about this memory? whats its background etc.

EDIT: I just might go with Vengance...up it to 3000mhz speeds

 

[john3850]

Um... Devil's Canyon doesn't have anywhere near twice the IPC of the six cores we're discussing. Clock for clock they are actually fairly close. Yes you can pull 4.6-4.8ghz our of Devil's Canyon (not on a cheap mobo) with proper cooling but you can pull 4.2ghz or higher out of these six cores as well and at 4.2ghz will pull the same single core scores as a stock DC and will absolutely crush it on multithreaded workloads.

If you already have an X58 platform then the smart move at this point is to pop a six core in and wait for Skylake.

When I run IBT the linpack the output speed in GFlops is double on the 3770k compered to the x58 with the same speed memory why is that then.

 

[soccerballtux]

This is what I ended up going with

I75820K
X99
RAMPAGE V EXTREME
Crosair Obsidian 900D
Dominator Platinum Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4 DRAM 2800MHz C16 Memory Kit (CMD16GX4M4A2800C16)
Hydro Series H110i GT 280mm
And some extra Fans for the case.

why'd you do 4x4? 2x8 would have been much more upgrade friendly

 

[Burpo]

When I run IBT the linpack the output speed in GFlops is double on the 3770k compered to the x58 with the same speed memory why is that then.

Because.. You're comparing a 45nm quad core cpu & NOT a 32nm hexcore Xeon.

 

[Headfoot]

Why go from old crap to old crap? If you are upgrading go X99.

Because a $60 drop in CPU which gives you 50% more cores and better overclocking headroom is at all the same as buying a $1500 new rig