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Discussion i7-11700K preliminary results

Makaveli

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I saw these earlier today looks like we will see this at 8 core / 16 Thread

1. 11900K
2. 5800X
3. 11700K

The ST speed looks to be pretty even with 11700K vs 5800K with the AMD chip having a small lead in MT.
 
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moonbogg

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It's not a bad bump and gives Z490 people something to throw in their boards if they want. It depends on price though. The 10 series has been on sales lately at attractive prices and they are actually available. I'd have a really hard time swapping my 10700K that I got for $280 for an 11700K for $400+. It's just not happening. And the 5800X at $450 was a mistake I would have made had it been available. Too expensive for 8/16 these days.
 

Makaveli

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There was a price leak not long ago.

Core i9-11900K (8C/16T): $599.99
Core i9-11900KF (8C/16T): $579.99
Core i9-11900 (8C/16T): $509.99
Core i9-11900F (8C/16T): $479.99
Core i7-11700K (8C/16T): $484.99
Core i7-11700KF (8C/16T): $454.99
Core i7-11700 (8C/16T): $389.99
Core i7-10700F (8C/16T): $359.99
Core i5-11600K (6C/12T): $309.99
Core i5-11600KF (6C/12T): $279.99
Core i5-11600 (6C/12T): $264.99
Core i5-11500 (6C/12T): $234.99
Core i5-11400 (6C/12T): $214.99
Core i5-11400F (6C/12T): $179.99

if $450 is too expensive that $600 intel is asking for is a slap in the face.
 
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zir_blazer

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I saw these earlier today looks like we will see this at 8 core / 16 Thread

1. 11900K
2. 5800X
3. 11700K

The ST speed looks to be pretty even with 11700K vs 5800K with the AMD chip having a small lead in MT.
If they're equivalent on performance, then I suppose that it would boil down to price, power consumption and platform features.

The only CPU side advantage of Intel is support for AVX 512. However, power consumption will be horrible given than it is 14nm, and it is a bit of a joke if you need twice the power consumption to match AMD performance. We have been there already. Then there is the new IGP, albeit we still have to see how it compares to Cezanne, so a 5700G would be a better comparison than 5800K (And this will hit even heavier on power consumption cause Chiplet designs aren't good there to begin with). But on the platform side, AMD AM4 is good for 16C, whereas you cap to 8C in Intel.

So assuming equivalent performance, what Intel has to offer?
 
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It's not a bad bump and gives Z490 people something to throw in their boards if they want. It depends on price though. The 10 series has been on sales lately at attractive prices and they are actually available. I'd have a really hard time swapping my 10700K that I got for $280 for an 11700K for $400+. It's just not happening. And the 5800X at $450 was a mistake I would have made had it been available. Too expensive for 8/16 these days.
GPUs unobtanium, AMD winning mindshare versus Intel, Apple ditches Intel with the M1, Intel 10-series the budget gaming king.

2020 was weird, but 2021 continues the weirdness.

I have the parts for an i5-10400 ITX build sitting on the bookshelf next to me... ~$130 for something approximating the top dog CPU just a few years ago. Ludicrous power for $130. Though the Ryzen 1600AF at $80 was the true budget king when it was available...
 

dullard

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There was a price leak not long ago.
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Core i7-11700K (8C/16T): $484.99
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if $450 is too expensive that $600 intel is asking for is a slap in the face.
Those are prices a month before the chips even are available for sale. So, I'll take them with a grain of salt. That said, Intel also just significantly increased prices on their SDDs too: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16503/the-intel-ssd-670p-review So, that does give a bit more weight to the possibility of higher CPU prices.

Sadly, we are in a massive industry-wide chip shortage and the only short-term "solution" is higher prices. I hope that isn't the case and that these are not real price increases. i7 chip prices over time:
CPUPricePrice compared to 2700K
2700K$ 332.00
100%​
3770K$ 332.00
100%​
4770K$ 339.00
102%​
4790K$ 339.00
102%​
5775C$ 366.00 (this chip was almost not produced)
110%​
6700K$ 339.00
102%​
7700K$ 350.00
105%​
8700K$ 359.00
108%​
9700K$ 374.00
113%​
10700K$ 374.00
113%​
11700K $ 484.99?
146%?
 

uzzi38

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Those are prices a month before the chips even are available for sale. So, I'll take them with a grain of salt. That said, Intel also just significantly increased prices on their SDDs too: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16503/the-intel-ssd-670p-review So, that does give a bit more weight to the possibility of higher CPU prices.

Sadly, we are in a massive industry-wide chip shortage and the only short-term "solution" is higher prices. I hope that isn't the case and that these are not real price increases. i7 chip prices over time:
CPUPricePrice compared to 2700K
2700K$ 332.00
100%​
3770K$ 332.00
100%​
4770K$ 339.00
102%​
4790K$ 339.00
102%​
5775C$ 366.00 (this chip was almost not produced)
110%​
6700K$ 339.00
102%​
7700K$ 350.00
105%​
8700K$ 359.00
108%​
9700K$ 374.00
113%​
10700K$ 374.00
113%​
11700K $ 484.99?
146%?
For the record Mindfactory started selling and shipping 11700Ks at 480 Euros - 60 Euros above the 5800X.

So yes, while it most definitely is pricing from a month before launch, at the same time, it was very clearly the price MF were planning on selling them at some point.
 

dullard

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For the record Mindfactory started selling and shipping 11700Ks at 480 Euros - 60 Euros above the 5800X.
Mindfactory is really geared towards AMD sales. Heck, even if you click on CPUs, you get two big clickable links at the top to choose from (A) AMD or (B) Gigabyte:
Intel chips are an afterthought for Mindfactory. So, I'm hopeful that retail prices are better elsewhere. But, that hope is fading.

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It's not a bad bump and gives Z490 people something to throw in their boards if they want. It depends on price though. The 10 series has been on sales lately at attractive prices and they are actually available. I'd have a really hard time swapping my 10700K that I got for $280 for an 11700K for $400+. It's just not happening. And the 5800X at $450 was a mistake I would have made had it been available. Too expensive for 8/16 these days.
I agree, I don't see any reason to do this upgrade unless you really need PCIE 4 for something. Better to spend that money (and you'll need it) on a video card instead.
 
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uzzi38

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Mindfactory is really geared towards AMD sales. Heck, even if you click on CPUs, you get two big clickable links at the top to choose from (A) AMD or (B) Gigabyte:
Intel chips are an afterthought for Mindfactory. So, I'm hopeful that retail prices are better elsewhere. But, that hope is fading.

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This is their Comet Lake pricing.

And sorry, but AMD bias? Really? Come on man, it's a retailer.
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dullard

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This is their Comet Lake pricing.

And sorry, but AMD bias? Really? Come on man, it's a retailer.
Compare their AMD pricing over time to other retailers. It is usually a very good price. Then do the same to Intel's chips. Not a good value. There are sales here and there. But no one would go to Mindfactory just for an Intel chip unless they got a sale on another component and only wanted one order.
 

uzzi38

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Compare their AMD pricing over time to other retailers. It is usually a very good price. Then do the same to Intel's chips. Not a good value. There are sales here and there. But no one would go to Mindfactory just for an Intel chip unless they got a sale on another component and only wanted one order.
What're you talking about? Their Zen 3 pricing quite closely matches what we have here with retailers such as ScanUK, and their Comet Lake pricing right there is right on par with other retailers.
 

uzzi38

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That memory latency is now on par with what I see on my Zen 3 cpu with Ram at 3200 CL14 so intel has regressed on that front. On the previous gen they were in the 50ns range.
For the record guys that memory latency test was run in 1:2 mode. In 1:1 mode it should be about 10ns lower, which is back on par with last gen again. The main limitation is that getting RAM over 3733 seems to be basically impossible - at least right now. Things could change closer to launch though.
 

Justinus

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"as good as" the 5800x at a similar or slightly higher price is not where Intel needs to be. The platform costs are still higher for Intel since you can throw that 5800x into a $100 motherboard and get the same level of performance.

So very disappointing the 11900k is just a slightly higher clocked version of this.
 

dullard

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What're you talking about? Their Zen 3 pricing quite closely matches what we have here with retailers such as ScanUK, and their Comet Lake pricing right there is right on par with other retailers.
You linked their Intel sales prices, which are decent. But, still not as good as the other German sites:

Their non-sales Intel prices are not even remotely good. If you want value, it is pretty simple, you wouldn't shop Mindfactory for Intel parts.
 

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Those are prices a month before the chips even are available for sale. So, I'll take them with a grain of salt. That said, Intel also just significantly increased prices on their SDDs too: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16503/the-intel-ssd-670p-review So, that does give a bit more weight to the possibility of higher CPU prices.

Sadly, we are in a massive industry-wide chip shortage and the only short-term "solution" is higher prices. I hope that isn't the case and that these are not real price increases. i7 chip prices over time:
CPUPricePrice compared to 2700K
2700K$ 332.00
100%​
3770K$ 332.00
100%​
4770K$ 339.00
102%​
4790K$ 339.00
102%​
5775C$ 366.00 (this chip was almost not produced)
110%​
6700K$ 339.00
102%​
7700K$ 350.00
105%​
8700K$ 359.00
108%​
9700K$ 374.00
113%​
10700K$ 374.00
113%​
11700K $ 484.99?
146%?

Inflation also plays a part here, with the massive money printing being done by central banks worldwide. CPI's are generally manipulated to not reflect the true inflation IMO.

Couple that with the insane shipping container shortage/cost these days, and you have the recipe for these sky high prices.
 

uzzi38

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You linked their Intel sales prices, which are decent. But, still not as good as the other German sites:

Their non-sales Intel prices are not even remotely good. If you want value, it is pretty simple, you wouldn't shop Mindfactory for Intel parts.
...look again at the very first chip on that screenshot I posted. Look very closely.

In fact, let me help you out here:
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Meanwhile your link: 1614709082307.png

Are you actually complaining about a 2 EURO DIFFERENCE!?!?!?!?!
 

dullard

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Are you actually complaining about a 2 EURO DIFFERENCE!?!?!?!?!
Go back to what I wrote at the beginning. Compare their Intel prices over time. Mindfactory is having an Intel sale right now. So at the very moment, their prices are not bad. But, even in this best case scenario for your argument, Mindfactory is still not the cheapest in Germany. It isn't 2 Euros all the time. It is often dozens of Euros higher for Intel processors. Mindfactory just has generally bad Intel prices compared to other German companies. Complain all you want, I'm just reporting their own prices.

The signs point towards an Intel price hike. I'm hoping that isn't true. I won't use Mindfactory prices as evidence. I'll wait for the processors to launch.
 
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uzzi38

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Go back to what I wrote at the beginning. Compare their Intel prices over time. Mindfactory is having an Intel sale right now. So at the very moment, their prices are not bad. But, even in this best case scenario for your argument, Mindfactory is still not the cheapest in Germany. It isn't 2 Euros all the time. It is often dozens of Euros higher for Intel processors. Mindfactory just has generally bad Intel prices. Complain all you want, I'm just reporting their own prices.
Dude, everyone has Comet Lake on sale now compared to original prices and RRPs. Not just MindFactory. So unless you have pricing information for both vendors, you don't have a real point here.

Also on the actual page there's no indication of an original price: Intel Core i7 10700K 8x 3.80GHz So.1200 WOF - Sockel 1200 | Mindfactory.de
 
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