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I won't be giving another penny to the salvation army.

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bignateyk said:
Regardless of your views on religion, many churches do great things for the community (mostly local type churches, not catholic churches and other big establishments. They just ship all their money off to the vatican to pay for their lawsuits).

I consider myself agnostic, but my wife is a firm believer. I go to church with her and don't hesitate to donate because I see first hand what good they do for the community. I've seen the addicts and other people who have changed their lives through our church. I've seen the youth programs they run, and the daycare they provide. Best of all, almost 100% of what I donate is going back into the community.

Most charities half of what you donate goes to the executives and employees.
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Supporting the church you do paves the way for other churches, the catholics in your example, to take advantage. And all the "good" you guys are all talking about that the churches are doing can and is done just as well and better by secular organizations, because, ya know, they aren't insane. But keeping throwing them money even if you don't believe in their beliefs. And the op is the dumb one

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slayer202 said:
Supporting the church you do paves the way for other churches, the catholics in your example, to take advantage. And all the "good" you guys are all talking about that the churches are doing can and is done just as well and better by secular organizations, because, ya know, they aren't insane. But keeping throwing them money even if you don't believe in their beliefs. And the op is the dumb one

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It COULD be done, but it ISN'T being done. There's a huge amount of good things that really need somebody to do them. Who cares what they believe as long as they're out there doing it?

Seriously though, what church killed your puppy? You act like every religious group is out to get you.
 
Leros said:
The Salvation Army bothers me because of their stance against homosexuals. They will not hire homosexual and have been known to fire them.

Their website clearly states their voices against homosexuality, in the nicest way possible of course.

I have no problem donating to Christian charities (I'm not religious), but not ones that discriminate.
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I couldn't agree with you more. This organization will never get a penny from me. There are so many organizations that DON'T discriminate and judge people so I see no reason help fund these guys when they're spreading this kind of ignorance.
 
Bignate603 said:
It COULD be done, but it ISN'T being done. There's a huge amount of good things that really need somebody to do them. Who cares what they believe as long as they're out there doing it?

Seriously though, what church killed your puppy? You act like every religious group is out to get you.
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I think you're missing the point.
 
slayer202 said:
I think you're missing the point.
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I think you're missing it. They're people out there willing to help people that need it. Who cares what they believe as long as they're doing good things? Just because you disagree with what they believe it doesn't suddenly make the stuff they do bad. There's not enough people willing to do this sort of stuff, anybody that wants to do it for whatever reason is welcome in my book.
 
Bignate603 said:
I think you're missing it. They're people out there willing to help people that need it. Who cares what they believe as long as they're doing good things? Just because you disagree with what they believe it doesn't suddenly make the stuff they do bad. There's not enough people willing to do this sort of stuff, anybody that wants to do it for whatever reason is welcome in my book.
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Lets take an extreme view. If the nazis supported homeless people, would you support them even if you disagreed with their views on jews? Where do you draw the line? Why would someone support an organization with religious views that distort reality of who needs help. Anti gay and pro life and pro their own religion. The charity is basically a front for their bullshit. But if you're ignorant enough to believe in the same garbage, then you should feel free to donate. But if not, it's almost as bad to donate anyway
 
The Salvation Army actually does something. I know they have a homeless shelter in Downtown Minneapolis. The only restriction: Can't come in drunk. You have to take a breathalizer to even get a bed for the night. Helps keep the bums off booze.

Any other organization. I don't see a presence. Might as well be flushing the money down the toilet.
 
dpodblood said:
Congrats OP. You donated to a charity you don't know a thing about.
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Accurately describes every PETA supporter in the world. PETA's stance is that keeping animals as pets is inhumane, but lots of pet owners give money to PETA. Makes no sense. It's as retarded as gay people who vote republican.
 
ShawnD1 said:
Accurately describes every PETA supporter in the world. PETA's stance is that keeping animals as pets is inhumane, but lots of pet owners give money to PETA. Makes no sense. It's as retarded as gay people who vote republican.
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Another organization with seemingly good intentions but is actually worthless because if their views
 
Why does it matter? I throw money in the kettle and I don't believe in god.

My local Salvation Army helped me in the past regardless of my stance on religion. Why shouldn't I help them when they need.

You know what? Go fuck yourself OP you sound like a POS anyway.
 
The Salvation Army differs from place to place. The Captain is expected to lead services and his wife is a co-functuary.
I have met very religious and more secular Salvation Army leaders. The two things that stand out is their committment to helping all people and the percentage of donations that actually reach people in need.
You are welcome to a nonreligious belief, do not hold the beliefs of others against them.
If you wish to prove this volunteer for bell ringing. Applications taken about the first week of October.
Or visit a food pantry or shelter.
The original kettles were used to collect for the hungry in early industrial Britain. At supper time the kettles were used to cook food. That simple and direct.
This spread world wide.
You may be asked to pray. You may decide to who or what.
Personally it amazes me that people give every Christmas, and the stories of help provided that I hear. If YOU cannot accept religion just pray for their faith to continue, for the good it does.
fwiw I'm a hidebound agnostic. Doesn't matter.
 
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slayer202 said:
Lets take an extreme view. If the nazis supported homeless people, would you support them even if you disagreed with their views on jews? Where do you draw the line? Why would someone support an organization with religious views that distort reality of who needs help. Anti gay and pro life and pro their own religion. The charity is basically a front for their bullshit. But if you're ignorant enough to believe in the same garbage, then you should feel free to donate. But if not, it's almost as bad to donate anyway
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You're fucking insane.
 
DCal430 said:
Each Christmas I give around $100 to the salvation army, today I found out they are a religious charity. I now feel retarded for giving them all of that money. I will need to check all of the other charities I give too, to make sure non of them have any religious affiliation.
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Why do you donate durring Christmas? You know that is a religious holiday right?
 
slayer202 said:
And why is that?
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You're comparing the Salvation Army, a group that does good for people regardless of their creed even if they, personally, do not agree with a certain type of lifestyle (homosexuality, etc.) to the Nazi's .. who tried to exterminate (killed 6 million) an entire group of people. To think that that analogy is even remotely applicable shows that you have no intimate relationship with reality. Godwin's Law +1, and all.
 
mmntech said:
We stopped giving to them years ago. We had donated an old couch to them. Clean and blemish free aside from a small tear in the arm. Easily fixable. They refused to take it because of that. Items for donation had to be in mint condition. If it was for poor people, what difference does it make? Do they seriously want me to go to the Ethan Allen? We ended up giving it to a local church youth group who was more than glad to have it.

I know the Sally Anne has a lot of dedicated volunteers. I'm just suspicious of the organization as a whole. They never do say where exactly the donations go. Especially the huge sums of money they pull in. How much of that goes to their church I wonder. Five will get you ten it's a lot more than most can imagine.
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we gave our old furniture to a boy scout camp.

having gone to that camp, i knew they could use it. lol.
 
TheVrolok said:
You're comparing the Salvation Army, a group that does good for people regardless of their creed even if they, personally, do not agree with a certain type of lifestyle (homosexuality, etc.) to the Nazi's .. who tried to exterminate (killed 6 million) an entire group of people. To think that that analogy is even remotely applicable shows that you have no intimate relationship with reality. Godwin's Law +1, and all.
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Do you know what compare means? Do you know what extreme means. You clearly don't even understand the point I was making
 
DCal430 said:
Each Christmas I give around $100 to the salvation army, today I found out they are a religious charity. I now feel retarded for giving them all of that money. I will need to check all of the other charities I give too, to make sure non of them have any religious affiliation.
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You know, they were using that money to buy little boys for the pope to molest and then eat, right?
 
slayer202 said:
Do you know what compare means? Do you know what extreme means. You clearly don't even understand the point I was making
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Of course I do; however, you are trying to make an analogy to demonstrate a similar relationship so you used extremes? Do YOU know what extreme means? It does not mean similar, which is why I said you're analogy as absolutely absurd.
 
TheVrolok said:
Of course I do; however, you are trying to make an analogy to demonstrate a similar relationship so you used extremes? Do YOU know what extreme means? It does not mean similar, which is why I said you're analogy as absolutely absurd.
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You're not very smart are you? I'll spell it out for you. Since people apparently have trouble understanding what would be wrong with donating to the salvation army, I made up an EXTREME example, relative to the salvation army scenario. You see, both parties have some bad opinions, one more extreme than the other. By comparing the two similar situations (similar does not mean they are equal in terms of rationale or sense) I was trying to show why supporting the salvation army is not a good thing, through an example which might help people see that. Another thing, if you still had a problem with my view, the example was meant to question where on the scale towards the nazi example would finally be enough to show concern.

let me know if you have any questions pal
 
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