Private England said worse things than those shown in the photographs took place in Abu Ghraib prison. But, following her lawyer's advice, she did not give details.
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Private England said worse things than those shown in the photographs took place in Abu Ghraib prison. But, following her lawyer's advice, she did not give details.
Originally posted by: Passions
This reminds me of "A Few Good Men"
Following orders huh? Suck it up and take the punishment, you followed it, you did it, now you pay for it.
Bunch of whiners trying to unload the blame.
Originally posted by: Lynx516
Thew Nurenburg Trials showed that the plea of following orders was void. It is better to disobey an order that breaches the Geneva convension and then get court marshalled for it (Cannot be convicted as the order would be illegal) Than to inflic tourture and humillitation on innocent (even if they arnt this is not the way to interrogate prisoners as it gives them somethign to hang onto).
Originally posted by: Passions
This reminds me of "A Few Good Men"
Following orders huh? Suck it up and take the punishment, you followed it, you did it, now you pay for it.
Bunch of whiners trying to unload the blame.
Originally posted by: Lynx516
I agree that many people would put their careers above their morals. However was her career likely to go any where. As you said she was trailer trash the likely hood of her being made leadership is unlikly.
My point still stands the defence of "I was following orders" was deemed to be non valid by the Nurenburg Trials.
Captn Kirk if she refused the crime of failing to follow that order woudl not be treason as it is an illegal order therefore it is not a valid order hence it is impossible to disobey.
Originally posted by: Lynx516
I agree that many people would put their careers above their morals. However was her career likely to go any where. As you said she was trailer trash the likely hood of her being made leadership is unlikly.
My point still stands the defence of "I was following orders" was deemed to be non valid by the Nurenburg Trials.
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: Passions
This reminds me of "A Few Good Men"
Following orders huh? Suck it up and take the punishment, you followed it, you did it, now you pay for it.
Bunch of whiners trying to unload the blame.
Those that gave the orders are even more responsible than those who followed it. They need to be court marshalled as well.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: Passions
This reminds me of "A Few Good Men"
Following orders huh? Suck it up and take the punishment, you followed it, you did it, now you pay for it.
Bunch of whiners trying to unload the blame.
Those that gave the orders are even more responsible than those who followed it. They need to be court marshalled as well.
Sometimes in crimminal preceedings you have to let the little fry go to get the big cheese. Immunity should be given to these foot soldiers for testimony to find the real war crimminals and stop the bleeding and harm they are causing to our once great nation.
Originally posted by: Passions
This reminds me of "A Few Good Men"
Following orders huh? Suck it up and take the punishment, you followed it, you did it, now you pay for it.
Bunch of whiners trying to unload the blame.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: Passions
This reminds me of "A Few Good Men"
Following orders huh? Suck it up and take the punishment, you followed it, you did it, now you pay for it.
Bunch of whiners trying to unload the blame.
Those that gave the orders are even more responsible than those who followed it. They need to be court marshalled as well.
Sometimes in crimminal preceedings you have to let the little fry go to get the big cheese. Immunity should be given to these foot soldiers for testimony to find the real war crimminals and stop the bleeding and harm they are causing to our once great nation.
AH HA HA... absolutely correct.. but the Big Fry is RUMMY himself.. you think he would let it get that far?
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Private England said worse things than those shown in the photographs took place in Abu Ghraib prison. But, following her lawyer's advice, she did not give details.
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Originally posted by: Passions
This reminds me of "A Few Good Men"
Following orders huh? Suck it up and take the punishment, you followed it, you did it, now you pay for it.
Bunch of whiners trying to unload the blame.
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: Ferocious
Private England said worse things than those shown in the photographs took place in Abu Ghraib prison. But, following her lawyer's advice, she did not give details.
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soldiers actually have a duty NOT to follow "unlawful orders"
the excuse(and yes, that is what it is) "well i was just folowing orders" is no excuse. just more of the moderen american penchant to make personal responsibility passe'
Originally posted by: chess9
The average soldier should carry a large part of the blame. Without an understanding of basic human rights at E-1 level, how can we expect to have a military we are proud of? That girl comes across as an empty shell, completely devoid of an understanding of the long line of proud soldiers who came before her and gave their lives. Duty, honor are important concepts these people missed.
Having said that, there is plenty of blame to go around and I'd personally START at the top with Rumsfeld, Wolfawitz and Feith. Let the voters decide about Bush.
-Robert