QueBert
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- Jan 6, 2002
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Here is what's wrong with Vista, my mom bought a new Dell and to DOWNGRADE to XP they wanted to charge her like $70 bucks. In my 34 years on the earth I've never once seen a Downgrade that costs money. Imagine going to a Hotel and them saying "well we can downgrade you to a room with a single twin bed instead of a huge California King. It will only cost you $50 more a night for this downgrade..."
And the amazing thing is, I personally know 10 people who paid money to "downgrade" that's proof Vista ain't all it's supposed to be
0roo0roo
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- Sep 21, 2002
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bad analogy. if they end support for xp it means the costs of supporting that os goes up. its like if you wanted to downgrade to an unfinished/not ready for use hotel room and they had to go out of their way to make it usable.
and your circle of friends are just "special", thats all that proves. vista sp1 is fine.
and your circle of friends are just "special", thats all that proves. vista sp1 is fine.
lifeobry
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Originally posted by: QueBert
And the amazing thing is, I personally know 10 people who paid money to "downgrade" that's proof Vista ain't all it's supposed to be
No it is proof that people are sheep.
"My friend's brother's cousin who's good at computers says Vista sucks. I've never used it personally, but I'm sure it's terrible since everybody says so"
mrSHEiK124
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- Mar 6, 2004
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I've yet to have Vista repeatedly BSOD on me in the beautiful fashion that XP still does on a lot of my computers. Shitty driver? Vista kills it off, Windows stays alive. X-Fi drivers keep crashing XP because the audio stack isn't separated from the kernel like in Vista. The list goes on and on, Vista >>> XP. Anyone complaining about incompatibility, TRY USING SOFTWARE MADE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS INSTEAD.
Tweak155
Lifer
- Sep 23, 2003
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Bugs on initial release:
1 - Trillian logging would not work. I'm sure I could have fixed the rights to the directory, but had no issues in XP so now its an issue whether or not it can be resolved.
2 - Dual Monitor usage would make my screen completely unusable. All I could see were mostly green wavy lines. Only way to fix it was to SOMEHOW (using the keyboard / mouse without being able to see) get it back to single monitor or reboot the computer in safe mode. Did not have this issue in XP with the same setup. (I should note: This issue was random but frequent)
3 - Slow. (Asking if I used 32 bit vs 64bit is irrelevant. 32bit XP works just fine, therefor this is a Vista issue)
4 - Game support such as Starcraft (yeah old game, still, didn't have this issue before)
Issues that remained after SP1 (I stopped using it then tried it again after SP1 release)
2, 4 and possibly 3 but I didn't use it long enough to find out.
A lot of people like to blame "ancient hardware" or just the hardware in general... 2 things:
1 - It worked before using Vista
2 - Even if this is the case, an OS forcing me to change hardware is a problem. Costs me more money.
That being said, I don't mind Vista all that much. I most definitely prefer XP though.
EDIT:
Forgot: Another issue with Vista -
Could not use the RAID on my mobo. You can relate this to my 2nd set of numbered bullets.
Nocturnal
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Vista is basically Windows ME but newer. That's how I can explain it. Random glitches and crashes on brand new computers that shouldn't happen. I've seen it too many times and cannot agree that Vista is a worthwhile upgrade from XP.
Not only that but a lot of the Microsoft Power Tools no longer work on Vista. That is just ridiculous. I don't understand why they would do this!
Not only that but a lot of the Microsoft Power Tools no longer work on Vista. That is just ridiculous. I don't understand why they would do this!
I use to dislike Vista, but that's because it wouldn't run on my old machine. Hated my old video card, and was slow on 1 GB of Ram.
I bit the bullet and paid a whopping $399 for a computer last year. It runs very well and I wonder what I was bitching about. On a decent machine, Vista is much nicer than XP. And with 2GB of ram, it isn't slow at all.
I think people may be pissed like I was that they have to upgrade their hardware. But that always happens with Windows releases. And I like Vista better now that I have been running it awhile.
I bit the bullet and paid a whopping $399 for a computer last year. It runs very well and I wonder what I was bitching about. On a decent machine, Vista is much nicer than XP. And with 2GB of ram, it isn't slow at all.
I think people may be pissed like I was that they have to upgrade their hardware. But that always happens with Windows releases. And I like Vista better now that I have been running it awhile.
QueBert
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LOL are you saying with bad drivers Vista can keep from crashing?
Interesting because I get random BSOD's from my MB built in NIC's drivers and my keyboard drivers cause Vista to BSOD every boot. I had to uninstall them. Never device gave me any problem in XP ever...
Vista takes way more memory and crashes more for me. I don't like XP but I really don't like Vista.
they 'security' features and such are annoying as shit, i'd better get a legal copy of XP while i can.
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
Theres no real reason to upgrade to vista. It's like if you're an air liner, you have perfectly good planes, but someone tries to talk you into buying brand new ones that take more fuel, require the pilots to take more training, but don't have any new features, and actually sit less people. It's not worth it. Newer is not always better.
Also the way vista is laid out is just really messed up. If it takes an IT guy more then a minute (without the need for resources) to figure out how to do a simple task like change the IP to static in a GUI based OS there is something wrong. Vista actually makes it HARDER to do simple tasks. I dread when I get phone calls from computer idiots trying to setup dialup or email.
Also the way vista is laid out is just really messed up. If it takes an IT guy more then a minute (without the need for resources) to figure out how to do a simple task like change the IP to static in a GUI based OS there is something wrong. Vista actually makes it HARDER to do simple tasks. I dread when I get phone calls from computer idiots trying to setup dialup or email.
destrekor
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- Nov 18, 2005
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same. Yes, I've had a few problems. But, FAR FAR FAR fewer problems than I've had with numerous XP installs. I'm glad to be rid of XP. I'm not sure why everyone loved XP so much... was it because it was so revolutionary compared to previous Windows versions? Although, it was pretty much Windows 2000 with a fisherprice GUI, albeit with an point-release upgraded Kernel - not much changed though.
Vista brought a new kernel version, with better structure, such as the audio stack now being separated from the kernel.
Now, a lot of the problems experienced with Vista at release, and even by some people to this day, are all due to terrible drivers. I've had my run in with bad drivers, and yes, it can cause many a headache. But now, with stable drivers by developers now experienced with the new kernel, my copy is Vista is 10x more stable than my XP copy, and that's on XP's best days.
Some points in time my copy of XP was more stable than at other points. And that alone was very strange. Again, various drivers and always-on software can seriously make or break an OS's ability to remain stable. But I've had some bad software on Vista and the system was still able to recover stability after taking care of the problem. With XP, the stability remained troubled even after taking care of the problem, or straight up BSOD'd instead of giving me a chance to nuke the problem.
I rarely could go a few weeks without a BSOD on XP. My Vista box is often running for more than a month at a time before I decide its time for a reboot to clear up resources once and for all.
Vista is not without its few problems though. But in comparison to XP, I'll gladly take Vista over XP any day. Yes, I'd prefer a better OS, but XP was not that better OS and not sure why everyone says otherwise.
Overall, Vista was a step in the right direction. Vista's v6 is a superior kernel, and I'm greatly anticipating Windows 7 (although, is 7 using the 6.x kernel or a new 7.0 kernel?). And I've seen some of the UI features of 7 and very much excited for the upcoming changes, because they look truly useful and timely for a new OS version.
If you are running a stable XP install, and don't care about the 'minor' improvements in Vista, then go ahead and keep running it. I don't care if everyone upgrades to the latest OS... but stop the retarded anti-Vista bullshit, because honestly it's played out at this point. I only understood it at the beginning, but even then it wasn't the fault of the OS, but rather bad drivers or a complete lack of driver support. I had this issue as I'm running Vista 64, but I didn't hop on when it released but after about 5 months as I knew there was driver troubles.
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