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I want YOU to fold Team Anandtech to the top spot!

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IceCreamMan

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From a lowly position of 149th about three weeks ago, the nascent TA Folding@Home team has rocketed into the top 50. But from here on out, the going gets tough. Although we have increased participation from fewer than 20 members to more than 40, we need many more to complete our quest. Rival teams have hundreds of members. This is a worthy cause and there is still time for YOU to make a difference. The top ranked team member has completed just over 300 work units (kudos to Stanman), so you can very much be a significant part of this vital project. Let the aliens listen to us for a while - WE can help find a cure for Alzheimer's, and lay the groundwork for tomorrow's nanotechnology.

Join NOW!
 
I agree. I was a team member for RC5, then OGR, and finally SETI ATech vs. DSL race, but I never felt any of those projects were particularily worthy. All mathematical hoop jumper problems that didn't really benefit mankind very much. I guess SETI could help the world, if it EVER found any sign of intelligent life. The chances are pretty remote, though.

I looked for something more meaningful, and since my mother died from Alzheimer's last year, when I found Folding @ Home, I switched. The truth is, Alzheimer's is partially inherited, so, knowing my luck, I will die from this disease as well.

So, I ask all of you Anandtechers, please evaluate the worthiness of the project you are running on your PC, and give Folding @ Home some thought. Or heck, the Intel Race for the Cure is a good one, too.

Click here: Folding @ Home

Thank you.
 
First let me say that I applaud your recruiting efforts I think it is important to try to help the project you believe in. But I must say that I am tired of people recruiting by labeling the other projects as "unworthy" of their work. It is up to each individual to decide what project for them is worthy and no matter how strongly you may feel towards one or the other, it doesn't make that project more worthy to another person. Each project has its merits and we should promote our projects without slighting the others. I currently crunch Seti and ECCp, but I have plans to add some power to folding when I have the opportunity.

Before you think I am not sympathetic to your cause, I have lost 3 family members over the last 10 years to Alzheimers. All I am asking is that you extole the virtues of folding without slighting the other projects. Afterall, if you can't convince someone to join on the merits of your project, you are only going to make them angry if you slam their project.
 
I said: ".. I never felt any of those projects were particularily worthy" and "...please evaluate the worthiness of the project you are running on your PC, and give Folding @ Home some thought". Notice the word "I" and "(you) please evaluate"?

I state my own personal belief, that projects like RC5, OGR, SETI, are mathematical trivialities. Then I suggest people evaluate their projects' worthiness. Sure, I'm trying to influence them with my words; it's something I have a perfect right to do.

So I'm going to have to say I don't agree with you, that when recruiting for a particular project or another, one should refrain from comparing the relative benefits of each project to convince someone to change to a different project. Certainly, the comparisons should be reasoned and intelligent and not idiotic, like "SETI SUX" or some such. We can agree that silly "slamming" (as you put it) is not worthwhile.

Truth is, these expensive boxes on our desktops aren't just toys to count up work units. They can be used for the betterment of man, of which, many projects, like Folding, or the Genome project, or the Intel/UD Cancer project are examples. It is well within my right to ask people to evaluate their projects with "worthiness" in mind.

Just sayin.
 
Crazee, you make several very good points..

I don't however think that Itm was trying to put the other projects down, more like trying to get the word out, and trying to say why he felt Folding@Home was worthwhile. Perhaps it could have been worded differently, but I don't think he intended any malice to the other projects.

There may be some ppl here just looking to get started in distributed computing.
Myself and all the other members of TA Folding@Home would like to invite ne1 who would like to give dist/computing a go to come join us.


osage
 


<< I said: ".. I never felt any of those projects were particularily worthy" and "...please evaluate the worthiness of the project you are running on your PC, and give Folding @ Home some thought". Notice the word "I" and "(you) please evaluate"? >>



I never said you stated anything other than your opinion. I am just trying to point out that you might have more success if you would just point out the virtues of Folding rather than telling me that the project I am currently doing is not as valuable. Think about it if I told you Folding was not as important as Seti or ECCp you wouldn't be happy about it.



<< I state my own personal belief, that projects like RC5, OGR, SETI, are mathematical trivialities. Then I suggest people evaluate their projects' worthiness. Sure, I'm trying to influence them with my words; it's something I have a perfect right to do. >>



No one said you didn't have the right I am just suggest that if you would like your recruiting to be successful then you should refrain from insinuating that my choices are not as worthy as yours.



<< So I'm going to have to say I don't agree with you, that when recruiting for a particular project or another, one should refrain from comparing the relative benefits of each project to convince someone to change to a different project. Certainly, the comparisons should be reasoned and intelligent and not idiotic, like "SETI SUX" or some such. We can agree that silly "slamming" (as you put it) is not worthwhile.

Truth is, these expensive boxes on our desktops aren't just toys to count up work units. They can be used for the betterment of man, of which, many projects, like Folding, or the Genome project, or the Intel/UD Cancer project are examples. It is well within my right to ask people to evaluate their projects with "worthiness" in mind. >>



So you are implying that my choices in projects are not beneficial to mankind? You see if you leave the other projects out of it you might find that there is no way someone will misinterpret what you are trying to say. Please understand I have nothing against Folding, I support it as well as any project taken on by the team. I have plans to direct resources to it when I can. I have just seen to many of these threads that give value judgements to projects and each one starts to get nastier responses. I don't want to see problems between the projects so I am merely suggesting that you refrain from using the worthiness comparison as a means to recruit.

It is just a suggestion you can take it or leave it.
 
hehe, ltm didn't mean to offend or place anyone in a defensive position. Hey ltm, please understand some phrases can be taken at cheap-shots toward other projects. I feel crazee was just saying "good job recruiting" and just leaving a friendly-good-AT'er tip of just stick with the positives of the project you believe in, while not including anything about pulling people away from other projects. I hope that makes sense and doesn't create more misunderstanding 🙂
 
Thanks Bigwoofer for phrasing what I was trying to say much better and in a much shorter timeframe than I did. 🙂
 
whoah ltm, please understand that pitting the worthiness of one dc project from another detracts from contributors to either.
 
hehe oh yeah!

If you're not running any dc project already, please put those extra cycles to use running the project of your choice! I'd flip a machine to this great cause if I wasn't in a looooooooooooooooong race to 10,000wu and fighting EvilWobbles tooth-and-nail 🙂

Good luck and happy TA DC-ing!
 
Agreed with Bigwoofer & Crazee
In my opinion SETI is worthy ,don't try to tell me otherwise😛

Anyway good luck with your recruiting ,& its good to hear the F@H is on the way up😀
(oh yeah ,this is a bump for your thread too😉)

Btw F@H members ,why don't you put a link to TA F@H in your sig promoting your team ,so that when you visit other forum sections you can snag a few members there too🙂 (something similar to my sig)
 
Ok and now back to the thread...... We need some help on the F@H project for TeamAnd !! The team really started moving from 148th to now 50th... But we have not really been moving latley and need more members to really progress.....

This could be a great race to get Team AnandTech into the top 10.... Just like many other DC projects... Wouldnt it be cool if we had a top ten presense in EACH project!!

Please spare some of your processors for this project!

 


<< Agreed with Bigwoofer & Crazee In my opinion SETI is worthy ,don't try to tell me otherwise😛 Anyway good luck with your recruiting ,& its good to hear the F@H is on the way up😀 (oh yeah ,this is a bump for your thread too😉) Btw F@H members ,why don't you put a link to TA F@H in your sig promoting your team ,so that when you visit other forum sections you can snag a few members there too🙂 (something similar to my sig) >>



DOH! That would be too smart, wouldn't it 😱

/slinking off to change sig now/ 😉
 
Ok - I'm folding! Don't get too excited, though - I'm letting Seti, ECCp, and Folding@home fight it out for precious time on my XP 1600+ 😱

ECCp and Seti seem to be even and folding is picking up the odd 3 or 4% of cpu time here and there. 🙂

I've been thinking of switching some of my low powered machines over to a project other than Seti. I'm not sure if I'll be able to bring myself to do it, but if I do, I'll likely do a bit more ECCp until the project ends and then switch to a project like Folding...🙂

Which project would a K6-2+ 450 running at 66mhz be best at?

/edit - I see ECCp takes up about 1/8th the memory that Seti does. That could be advantageous to me on certain machines 🙂
 
Cool! Thanks sduguid for including F@H as one of your DC projects! Please note that the F@H WU's usually have a time limit associated with them. For the bigger ones it is like 7 - 9 days and for the small ones it is like 3 days. You can find the exact time limit for the current protien you are folding at the
F@H website.

 
Is there any way to get Folding@home to take half the cpu time and seti the other half(in WinXP)?

Even when I set Folding to high or realtime priority, seti still takes almost all the cpu power :Q

For tonight, I'm just going to run folding@home to see how it does. 🙂
 
Welcome to the "Fold", guys, glad to have you aboard. 🙂

/me climbs up on soapbox/

With all the discussion going on about all the different dc programs going on and they're validity, something occurred to me.The powers that be are content to let us "little" people do the crunching for them till we actually find something, no matter what dc project we're doing. Then they're going to take it from us and do with it as they please. This includes Seti--do you really think that the govt will go--"Oh that's nice, you found ET".-- and not get involved at that point?? Now before you think this is a flamer, I'm just looking at the reality of the situation. Realize that I've crunched Seti, UD, and now F@H, and firmly believe in the worthiness of all of them. I'm doing fah at the moment for personal reasons. My wife has had RA since she was 3, her grandmother is in the final stages of Alzheimers, I lost an aunt to it too. Yes the corps and govt will take it from us at somepoint to make a profit, or hide it, or whatever they want. That's life, I deal with it. But if one of my comps can come up with something that will prevent or cure or heal someone down the road, I'm all for it. I'm just proud to be part of TeAm AnandTech no matter what project is the soup de jour is at the moment. Just my 2 cents.

/me steps down from soapbox/
 
Okay, I've been reading for a while and joined seti a few months ago, and just removed seti from my work laptop in favor of folding (Don't worry, the other machines will still likely pull 30 WUs a day). The team number appears to be 198, which is what you need to key into the client to give TA credit on stanford's site, but the folding veterans can let me know if I screwed that up. Thanks, IceCreamMan, for the invite.

The fact of the matter is, whether you're using your extra cycles to find ET, find a cure for cancer, alzheimer's, or the green spot of fungus on my left pinky toe (what is that, anyway?), for the most part, your system would be on anyway. Besides most computers nowadays are horribly underutilized. If your PC is going to be on anyway, use it to do something, anything. At least you're not wasting power.

Oh, and everybody relax a little bit. I mean, if these are the worst of our problems, trying to decide which cause to help, life is pretty good. Sit back and enjoy it, and watch some little protein molecule jobbies dance across your screen, if you feel like it.

Or, don't listen to me, either way, I'm content. 🙂
 
LastKnight...Welcome Aboard!

sduguid..... I used to run SETI and F@H but I had the same problem where SETI would take 96-98% of the clock cycles leaving F@H with only 3 or 4%. When I switched to UD it shared 50 - 50 with F@H.... Now Im 100% F@H Has anyone else checked to see if they can get SETI and F@H to play together?
 
I have a question for other Linux folders. When I bring up the folding console client I see it fire up 3 core_65 processes and a whole bunch of the FAH2Console processes. Is this normal on a linux box??

Also, has anyone found a nice clean way to start & stop this using a /etc/rc.d script, or for debian users, an /etc/init.d script??

Thanks.
 
Seti doesn't like to play nice with any app. I took it off my work machines because it was especially not liking Outlook. I've been folding for a few weeks now and I like it 🙂.
 
"So, I ask all of you Anandtechers, please evaluate the worthiness of the project you are running on your PC" -- Itm

I'm sorry but I think that statement is quite out of line. Maybe you aren't aware but it's considered poor etiquete to attempt to recruit members from one project to another. Just because you feel F@H is more "worthy" than the other DC projects does not mean everyone feels that way and while you're entitled to your opinion it doesn't make it right. My family has a history of cancer and I considered switching to F@H after my aunt's death but several other TA members mentioned the fact that IBM's Blue Gene was designed for folding proteins and can do far more than the F@H DC project.

A quick Google search turned up this: LINK From that article:

"However, Tulleyblank said that distributed computing projects such as Folding@Home can simulate the folding of only fairly simple proteins. Blue Gene will be able to simulate larger, more complex proteins.

Modeling complex proteins, where a fold depends on scores of interacting variables, will require a massively parallel machine, he said.

Blue Gene uses a massively parallel system with new, high-speed communications between processors, which is required for refined, highly detailed simulations that Blue Gene will do, but Folding@Home cannot, Tulleyblank said.

"The kind of problems we're doing is far beyond what they could hope to do on the distributed computing model," he said. "With the stuff we are doing, we are not able to split the program up independently. We have to deal with a tremendous number of interactions between the processes of the program. Everybody affects everybody else, so you need a fast way to shuttle everything around."
 
Robor...... True Blue Gene might handle more complex folding problems that do not fit into a DC model but F@H can still help toward folding simpler protiens. I would not be detered from F@H becasue it was not folding the most complex protien out there. The article makes it sound as F@H is not worth the trouble however I feel it just points out that there is bigger and better computing power trying to solve the same problem. So Great!

 
Bunker

Seti doesn't like to play nice with any app
This just simply isn't true ,it works ok with most apps ,ok there are some that don't get along with it but to say it doesn't get along with all apps is incorrect!

I took it off my work machines because it was especially not liking Outlook
That is true ,but only with Outlook 2k AFAIK ,other versions are ok with it.
Also I think the GUI vesion is OK with outlook2k

Which apps have you had problems with other than Outlook2k?
 
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