If he's still trying to teach himself Calc 3, I don't think he'll grasp the proof behind Fermat's Last Theorem
If he's still trying to teach himself Calc 3, I don't think he'll grasp the proof behind Fermat's Last Theorem
mugs
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Haha... how do you measure your proficiency at philosophy?
Based on your comment about the American education system, you clearly have no idea how things work in college. In the classes that matter, it's less about measuring performance and more about the learning. Be forewarned though, you won't start making valuable contributions to mankind until graduate school, and even then the only people who will care about your contributions will be mathematicians. If you want to make a contribution that anyone will care about, you might want to consider physics or engineering or something like that. Keep us updated when you win your Nobel Prize.
Edit: Here you go
The book is written is such a way to so as to be understandable to those proficient in HS level mathematics...it explains everything you need to know.
If you want to get a taste for what doing research in mathematics will be like, calc 1-3, linear, diff eq are the wrong textbooks since they're just increasingly complex forms of rote learning.
You need to look at textbooks for "proofs" and "theory" courses. One textbook I used as a senior was Kenneth A. Ross - Elementary Analysis: The Theory of Calculus, but there are probably many other good "theory of calculus" books.
You need to look at textbooks for "proofs" and "theory" courses. One textbook I used as a senior was Kenneth A. Ross - Elementary Analysis: The Theory of Calculus, but there are probably many other good "theory of calculus" books.
Getting back to the orginal question, I like the textbook my school uses: Calculus the Trandescendals (covers Calc I-III with some Diff Eq's). It will run about $80 used. It shouldn't be hard to pick up, the first half of Calc III is basically 3D geometry (with no calculus involved really), and the second half is a lot of Calc I and Calc II applications (again 3D stuff). Then spherical coordinates, cylindrical coordinates and double, triple integrals that's more in-depth but still nothing earth shattering.
For the interest you're heading with all the crazy high-level math stuff, I don't really see how Calc III will help you get there, but I'm an engineering major not math so I could be wrong. It seems to me you should be more interested in a Discrete Math or Linear Algebra course.
For the interest you're heading with all the crazy high-level math stuff, I don't really see how Calc III will help you get there, but I'm an engineering major not math so I could be wrong. It seems to me you should be more interested in a Discrete Math or Linear Algebra course.
Sorry, but you got a 4 on an AP test. That isn't genius level, even if you never took the class or use any other excuse. No matter how you want to spin it, a 4 is not impressive enough to be classified a genius. You must not be around very intelligent people to think of yourself as a genius after getting only a 4 on an AP exam.
There's no way I'm going to have any level of achievement unless I start now. Forget graduate school. It'll come when it comes.
I take it you have never been to a community college. Not everyone goes to a good school. I was talking about the average. I screwed myself out of the Ivy League by not doing any homework in highschool.
LMAO!
I remember that thread, but not all nerds look alike. http://www.kevinthenerd.com/honors/me.gif
(I used a GIF just to be different.)
Again, if you were a genius, then you would have been able to go to an Ivy League school. You could have gone to MIT. You don't have to do any homework if you really are a genius.
At the very least, you could have gone to a very good school if you were a genius.
I guess I was right that you are just surrounded by stupid people and that this gives you a false sense of genius.
If you take a 20-year-old guy with an IQ of 1000 (yes, that's THOUSAND), he won't stand a chance on an English test if he only speaks Spanish.
Likewise, genius and intelligence have only to do with your ability to learn, not what you've learned. IQ tests often fail to isolate education and knowledge from one's actual ability to learn. As many people will agree here, IQ tests are written by elitists from the dominant social group.
That's nice...this is so funny. If you really were a genius, then you would have taken the initiative to learn more. You wouldn't be sitting here complaining about the education system.
I can't believe that someone who goes to community college thinks he's a genius... Granted, a genius could go to community college and blossom later on in life or after finding something he likes (there are exceptions to everything), but still, to be so arrogant at this stage...
Again, no.
I've screwed myself out of opportunities by not doing homework. Genius has little to do with focus. Look at Einstein's academic record.
When grades are based on homework turned in, getting all 100s on tests will still get you a C or even worse. It's in the syllabi in black and white.
I went to a decent private college for my first year (Saint Leo University), but I failed out from not doing homework. Again: lack of focus, partly due to ADD, but mostly because I never learned discipline.
When teachers force you to do homework as a requirement for a good grade, you will naturally fail. When teachers let you slide by because you know the work, you will naturally succeed without the disciple that homework gives many. Well, partway through my academic experience, things switched. I went from sliding by to failing simply because I was not doing the assignements.
Genius has nothing to do with education and more to do with the ability to further that education. I was never taught the things that I now seek to teach myself.
I'll pick my battles. I already covered this topic above.
(cliff notes: Your school placement has nothing to do with your abilities but more to do with your acceptance of previous education and discipline to do the required assignments to earn the grades in which they place so much emphasis)
I hate to break it to you, but much of what we call "initiative" is learned. When previous "initiatives" in life are snuffed out, we often take on an unassuming personality out of fear of failure.
Trust me, you're no Einstein. In today's age, especially in the US, if you show any capability of being a genius, then you will be accepted into a great university. I've seen people with sub 3.0 GPAs get accepted to MIT. Why were they accepted? Because they showed an exceptional mathematics skill.
If you consider Saint Leo University a 'decent private college', then I guess you probably do consider yourself a genius. Now I'm sure that you must be surrounded by completely stupid people that give yourself a false view of genius.
yllus
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Oh jeez. The possibility of the guy being a genius is hardly ruled out because he messed up in high school and is current attending community college. Lest we all forget, a good number of men and women we now consider to be geniuses had little in the way of quantitative accomplishments at kevinthenerd's age. Pure intelligence and initiative to succeed are separate and do not necessarily reflect upon each other.
kevinthenerd, I will consult those I know in the university math community and report back to this thread ASAP. I myself only have a math education up to the university Calc II level - it's been cake thus far. Someone did hit upon a note of truth in an earlier statement: Being surrounded by fools often makes one feel more intelligent than you really may be. Don't let that discourage you though - endeavour to stuff this in their faces. Good luck.
kevinthenerd, I will consult those I know in the university math community and report back to this thread ASAP. I myself only have a math education up to the university Calc II level - it's been cake thus far. Someone did hit upon a note of truth in an earlier statement: Being surrounded by fools often makes one feel more intelligent than you really may be. Don't let that discourage you though - endeavour to stuff this in their faces. Good luck.
yep. i dont understand why some of you are so sure that he isn't a genius. not that i'm saying he is but there's no need for this kind of putting down.
in any case, i say go for it if you have the initiative. genius or not, you may achieve something.
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