True. I don't believe this whole ' the base would not have turned out ' if he didn't pick Palin. The base was going to vote regardless. I think if he picked Romney, he wins. I have 4-5 friends that are fairly independent who said that when McCain picked Palin, and stopped being the McCain of 2000, he lost their vote. I don't want to generalize too much, but Romney would have been good for a large chunk of the independent vote. Its the I vote that determines elections.
True. I don't believe this whole ' the base would not have turned out ' if he didn't pick Palin. The base was going to vote regardless. I think if he picked Romney, he wins. I have 4-5 friends that are fairly independent who said that when McCain picked Palin, and stopped being the McCain of 2000, he lost their vote. I don't want to generalize too much, but Romney would have been good for a large chunk of the independent vote. Its the I vote that determines elections.
cad was saying in the other thread that the base didn't turn out even with palin, so i guess they should have gone Romney to at least get some moderates.
You are absolutely correct that day will come, and has already started. For it's been written, and will become.
Your right God will not stop it. Why would God not stop it if it's so wrong? I cannot tell you, you can only find out why. Because I am not meant to know what that answer is. But some of you are meant to find out. And find out you will forevermore. I pray you don't come to that fate.
buck
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So much for being humble. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. A lot of Christians seem to forget that one.
I can't help but think what would Jesus do if he were in your shoes on this forum. I seriously doubt he would take the low road as you have. I will pray for you tonight and for those you have affected on this forum with your poor attitude.
Serious Question. Do you own a church? If so, can you please stop using P&N as it if were a church you owned?
Puffnstuff
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Anubis
No Lifer
No he does not love me more then anyone...loves us all equally...everyone, gay, straight, criminal, good, bad...doesn't matter.
buck
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Why would he respond? He is obv a troll making fun of Christian beliefs. Why would a Christian say the things he has said without any response and run off? Classic troll behavior. He doesn't want to teach people love like Christ did, he wants to promote hate and anger. He succeeded IMO.
+1 McCain because I did NOT want a D congress and president. I don't like single party politics ever.
That being said, I now fully back Obama even though I don't agree with him on a lot of topics. I sincerely hope he is able to bring about the change our country drastically needs. He has the power to be able to do that, now I hope he is up to the task. The next 4 years will be interesting for sure, and heres to them redefining our country from the past presidency into something better. :wine:
Congrats Obama, now the balls in your court to deliver on your promises please don't let us down.
That being said, I now fully back Obama even though I don't agree with him on a lot of topics. I sincerely hope he is able to bring about the change our country drastically needs. He has the power to be able to do that, now I hope he is up to the task. The next 4 years will be interesting for sure, and heres to them redefining our country from the past presidency into something better. :wine:
Congrats Obama, now the balls in your court to deliver on your promises please don't let us down.
Aikouka
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Xavier... you're not even married yet and if I remember correctly, your girlfriend was a single mother when you met her. Your words seem rather awkward based on this. I don't know what the proposition in Florida is that you're talking about and I have no qualms with you treating your girlfriend's child as your own, but until you're married and have adopted the child, it isn't yours technically >_>.
I do think that religious people inserting their beliefs into the law is wrong though and is one of the things I'm against 100% (unless their belief is parallel to what is right in that specific case). That's why I refused to vote for McCain (because of Palin's religious demeanor and overall inability to be more than a "women, vote for me" poster board).
DanTMWTMP
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I voted for McCain, but,. like the OP said, I've never seen someone like Obama move so many people. I can only hope he can inspire Americans to work harder together and not have someone else bail us out for us. I didn't like the reasons why Obama came to power (desperation, "dark" times, some "change" agenda, a promise for better times ahead...sounds to me like an agenda hitler put together so he can get power..not that Obama is hitler; FAR from it). I am hopeful that Obama can unite the nation and make it the world leader again in science and technology, and in a bigot-free society.
I will vote for him again if he puts restrictions on unions, lifts the stupid bans on gay marraige, goes along with Mccain's plans of Amnesty, and puts more money into NASA and other NSF-sponsored science programs.
I will vote for him again if he puts restrictions on unions, lifts the stupid bans on gay marraige, goes along with Mccain's plans of Amnesty, and puts more money into NASA and other NSF-sponsored science programs.
You talk as if Christian morals and the only morals that are right for everyone. Americans care a whole lot about moral issues. They are just fed up with socially conservative moral issues. Your "morals" are why my child may not have insurance in a few months thanks to bullshit amendments like amendment 2 in FL and amendment 8 in Cali. Stuff like that is why evangelicals are losing. Your time is coming to an end. Shape up or ship out.
If you want to believe and follow your sets of morals then please do, but keep them the hell out of my family and our government. You wouldn't like it if I imposed mine on to you from a legal government stand point. Why do you feel that it is your right to do that to me? Don't you believe in equal rights and liberties for all Americans?[/quote]
What do morals have to do with your childs insurance??
mor·al /'m?r?l, 'm?r-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mawr-uhl, mor-] Show IPA Pronunciation
?adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations
It is your responsibility to provide insurance for your child,
If you want to believe and follow your sets of morals then please do, but keep them the hell out of my family and our government. You wouldn't like it if I imposed mine on to you from a legal government stand point. Why do you feel that it is your right to do that to me? Don't you believe in equal rights and liberties for all Americans?[/quote]
What do morals have to do with your childs insurance??
mor·al /'m?r?l, 'm?r-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mawr-uhl, mor-] Show IPA Pronunciation
?adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations
It is your responsibility to provide insurance for your child,
Read up on Amendment 2 in FL and then start reading about what has happened in other states which adopted that kind of language. The amendment passed strictly due to evangelical morals against the gay community. The amendment itself leaves both gays and domestic partners (like my girlfriend and I) in a position where our ability to obtain insurance through my place of work (school district) will be in great danger. Currently, there is language in my school district's policies which state that I can put both my girlfriend and stepchild as dependents to get insurance (that I both work for and pay for) because my girlfriend and I are domestic partners. History has shown that once amendments such as amendment 2 in FL pass that decisions are soon to follow which lead toward the removal of domestic partner rights and liberties. It is not a guarantee at this point, but it is now highly vulnerable unless FL some how becomes a magical exception which it is by no means the type of state to follow that path as history has proven.
Does this mean I cannot replace their current insurance plan with another one? No it doesn't mean that....but I sure as hell cannot afford it! Not unless Obama's healthcare plan offers a suitable replacement. At the end of the day, only time will tell but the point is that the ONLY reason this is a potential threat at all is to provide bigot evangelical pieces of shit some kind of peace of mind that gays can no longer marry and that will some how protect the children. I want to know whose children are being protected exactly because it sure as hell isn't my stepson whom I have been raising since he was 1 years old.
The child is the responsibility of his family. I am the head of his family. Therefore, I am in charge of him and am very much responsible for him. His mother is obviously more responsible according to the law, but not according to my family. His mother cannot afford to provide him with health insurance let alone insurance for herself without my help.
Hey! But that's ok right? It's not like I have to worry because now I can just take him to the emergency room which costs the people of America a shit ton more than it would if they continue to allow me to insure him through my employer or through something like Obama's future healthcare plan.
Hopefully. I have a lot of confidence in Obama, but I don't count my chickens until they hatch and I most certainly will not just sit around doing and saying nothing as I wait for them to hatch knowing that my family's insurance is currently at risk. What responsible member of any family would do that?
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