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I thought the US had separation of church and state
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Whoa there Trigger. Thanks for not being helpful at all. :thumbsup:
KT
I know gay couples that have adopted here in Vancouver that are head and shoulders above a good percentage of the parents I see on a regular basis. As for the child having to adjust to being from a different family setting than many other children, that may be an issue, but I think that would have more to do with where and how the child is raised.
KT
Well then, thanks for nothing. :beer:
KT
jjzelinski
Diamond Member
Pale Rider is pulling that trick where Costanza does everything he would normally do oppositely for a day, that's why all of the sudden he's some kind of giant bad ass.
Ballatician
Golden Member
Are you not aware of the stem-cell or abortion debates?
I was being comical when saying 'gays', why i used the quotes.
And I don't think it works because of natural human instincts. 2 men or 2 women cannot make a child together and I think would just confuse the hell out of a kid. Not to mention the fact that the adopted kid would be teased relentlessly, not matter how "accepting" we become as a society, which also screws with the kids head.
I'm not saying they would be horrible parents or wouldn't love the kid, but I just don't think its right psychologically for the child.
jjzelinski
Diamond Member
I my wife and I were to die, I would GLADLY have my child raised by an intelligent, productive gay couple then your typical dysfunctional heterosexual couple.
I still can't figure out why religion has any impact on abortion debates. It should be clear cut: if the egg is fertilized, and will become a full-blown baby in a few months, you should not be allowed to kill it. Do anything you want to prevent the combination, but don't kill it after its done. And I believe in 0% religion.
jjzelinski
Diamond Member
lol
HannibalX
Diamond Member
It shouldn't involve religion at all. The logical conclusion is that abortion is at a minimum manslaughter.
The problem is there are so many anti-religion folks out there who will take any opposite point that the religious folks make that they end up not arguing for abortion just against the religious standpoint.
This has caused problems because the non-religious people who are against abortion get lumped in with the people fire-bombing clinics. I don't really care what the bible states. If you make a law that says you can't kill people that should include all people.
Ballatician
Golden Member
I was once like this, however I'll wait for Atomic Playboy to check in.
Cerpin Taxt
Lifer
Where in the Constitution does it say "murder"?
Where in the Constitution does it say "bodily integrity"?
Where in the Constitution does it say "interracial marriage"?
Where in the Constitution does it say "status quo ante"?
Of course the point is that lots of catch-phrases do not appear verbatim in the Constitution, but that doesn't mean that the don't stand for real legal principles.
That wouldn't stop you from asking asinine questions, though, would it? PS, "Constitution" is capitalized, dumbass. You fuckin' idiots are ruining our country.
Logical to whom? I don't necessarily think it's logical to make a blanket statement like that.
KT
Atomic Playboy
Lifer
It's true. I was raised by lesbian mothers, and to this day, I still try to have sex with wildebeests and sunflowers (not at the same time, of course; I was raised a gentleman).
Ballatician
Golden Member
I agree that it should not involve religion. The argument, however, is what constitutes a human.
In addition, should a woman that is raped, be forced to deal with 9 months of pregnancy without any other alternative?
These are not easy questions.
If you think about it, a woman should not have the right to choose whether to abort a child because one an egg is fertilized, it ceases to be part of her. Was the egg produced by the body of the woman? Yes. Was the sperm produced by the man? Yes. Is the resuulting fused sperm/egg which becomes an embryo a product of either the man or the woman? No. It ceases to be the egg it was, and ceases to be the sperm it was, and isntead the two have become one, new creation- it is the beginning of the physical form of a new human being. Therefore no one should have the right to kill it. It might be developing within the womb of a woman, but it had no choice in the matter, and there is no excuse to kill what will grow to be a person.
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