I think students are going to die to Hong Kong.

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fuzzybabybunny

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Xellos2099 said:
Things get way out of hand... the protestor were attack and some sexually assaulted by the Mafia. The question is... who hired them,
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Probably China.

China knows that any direct interference looks bad for them so they pay the mafia to do it via proxy. Anything to save their face. And they say that it's the "locals" that are doing it.

I see it as absolutely fitting and characteristic of the Chinese government.

Just a bunch of power hungry cowards, but cunning and powerful ones.

The protest movement hasn't been very organized though IMO. I feel like it's missing an experienced central command and communications network, but then again I don't read Chinese (which is another issue - if more of it was in English they would probably be able to get more support from the well-heeled expat community).
 
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Victorian Gray

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fuzzybabybunny said:
Probably China.

China knows that any direct interference looks bad for them so they pay the mafia to do it via proxy. Anything to save their face. And they say that it's the "locals" that are doing it.

I see it as absolutely fitting and characteristic of the Chinese government.

Just a bunch of power hungry cowards, but cunning and powerful ones.

The protest movement hasn't been very organized though IMO. I feel like it's missing an experienced central command and communications network, but then again I don't read Chinese (which is another issue - if more of it was in English they would probably be able to get more support from the well-heeled expat community).
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It's actually been a rather well organized process/series of protests since the organization/campaign began last year. And yes, I believe that the anti-Occupy protestors of the past day or so are being organized by the government.
 
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Im just wondering why there hasnt already been a revolution in China. Do the Chinese really like their gov't?

You would think with the growing gap between the poor and rich they would have had one. If even a small of fraction the people got together it would be over in a matter of days for the controllling gov't.
 
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My initial assessment that the chief executive would be forced to step down seems to be correct. Coincidentally reports from Australia that the Hong Kong chief executive received a secret 4M british pounds payment from an Australia firm right at the time when he went for election.

Pretty sure the Communist party has enough of this piece of shit and is throwing him under the bus. It would be a good way to settle the unrest.
 
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Victorian Gray

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UncleWai said:
My initial assessment that the chief executive would be forced to step down seems to be correct. Coincidentally reports from Australia that the Hong Kong chief executive received a secret 4M british pounds payment from an Australia firm right at the time when he went for election.

Pretty sure the Communist party has enough of this piece of shit and is throwing him under the bus. It would be a good way to settle the unrest.
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The timing of this information coming out is a bit of a convenient 'coincidence'. I wonder how much was known by the govt. and for how long prior to this.

I'm not sure that simply putting in a new guy is going to do more than postpone the democratic vote issue for fairly short time period. But, who knows what can happen while people are distracted.
 
Kadarin

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I agree in that I don't think it will end well. I remember watching the Tiananmen Square protests back in '89, and I think China is perfectly willing and able to do it again.
 
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Victorian Gray said:
And the police and gangs still haven't managed to get the protestors to 'retaliate'. Don't know how much longer they (the protests) can last but what a marvelous example they are setting.
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yeah seriously, that have a lot of self control, way more than the police hahah.

I hope this inspires more people to come out and protest. They should take their protest straight to the police headquarters too
 
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piasabird

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This is an interesting topic. It touches on a couple of issues for a free society. On one side the right to assemble is a key democratic issue. However, the people who live in HK also deserve to have peace and order in their community. At some point protestors are violating other people's rights also and they need to be punished. Anarchy is seldom a good solution to a problem.
 
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Xellos2099

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Well, I agree but there is not much protestor can do but to go all in. Their opponent is a government that don't give a rat shit about them but still lay claim to Hong Kong and they must do it before the next generation is brainwashed.
 
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piasabird said:
This is an interesting topic. It touches on a couple of issues for a free society. On one side the right to assemble is a key democratic issue. However, the people who live in HK also deserve to have peace and order in their community. At some point protestors are violating other people's rights also and they need to be punished. Anarchy is seldom a good solution to a problem.
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You are confusing revolution with anarchy. Whenever this is a oppressor crushing people's freedom and hopes and dreams, people have risen up, ready to sacrifice everything and dedicate their lives to achieve their goals. history is littered with such examples. Forget Arab Spring, when people like Mandela, Gandhi and Dr. King rose up to free their kind, the normal society was disrupted. People who were complaisant due to ignorance or the burden of their family, lost their livelihood, people how were working with the oppressor also did not like the idea because they were leading the comfortable life. But in retrospect that does not mean that they were right and the revolutionaries were wrong.
Today's society is very different, and the rules of the society is different but sill the students in Hong Kong are more of revolutionaries than anarchists
 
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Sinsear said:
So is this the Chinese version of Occupy?
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It's definitely being handled like OWS. The Chinese govt. probably believes these students will eventually tire from venting and occupying.

When these students do venture back home, they might also find a majority of their (inculcated) elders disagree with their protests, which are deemed foolhardy.
 
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Victorian Gray

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piasabird said:
This is an interesting topic. It touches on a couple of issues for a free society. On one side the right to assemble is a key democratic issue. However, the people who live in HK also deserve to have peace and order in their community. At some point protestors are violating other people's rights also and they need to be punished. Anarchy is seldom a good solution to a problem.
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It's a good thing you weren't around during the American Revolution then.

A little 'tea party'

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