I think students are going to die to Hong Kong.

[squarecut1]

Doubt it, Hong Kong has a free press, there would be so many pictures/videos that come out of it, unlike Tianemen square where you only got a few glimpses. International outrage would boil over 1000 times over.

When the world does not have its own axe to grind, its "outrage" is strong condemnation, that we we cant allow this and so on. See Bashar using chemical weapons, yes in this day and age of instant pics and videos as you said. All of it was recorded for posterity. Those rows and rows of dead women and children, dying in the most painful way imaginable of poison gas. What was done?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

In general protests in Asia are very peaceful. Its likely that there will be some compromise. China in the past has silently changed its mind with shelving legislation for example to appease the protestors in HK. I doubt anything will happen.

People said the students would die in Taiwan when they stormed the legislature in March (how many people here even heard of that?). The politicians eventually gave in and there was a peaceful resolution many weeks afterward.

Edit: Realized I was trying to draw too many parallels with Taiwan and HK knowing that TW is not a part of China and is 100% autonomous, but I think my point is that the protest will be easily controlled by HK police. China will only step in if the city turns into flames and its a mess in that like every square mile turns into Ferguson. Only then will you see Chinese troops step in. Even if the HK police requests help it will likely be very minor and more logistical support and the PLA would just be providing background support. The last thing they would want is for China to be seen as "invading" even if its seeing the garrison troops step out.

 

[unokitty]

How Students Seized the Lead in Hong Kong’s Pro-Democracy Campaign

"What teacher would not be filled with joy to watch his students seize learning so independently, so concretely, and with such passion?" Denise Y. Ho, an assistant professor in the Center for China Studies at the Chinese University of Hong Kong wrote in a widely retweeted letter to her students on Monday, after about 13,000 students rallied on her campus.

"If we shed tears at this moment," she wrote, "it was because we saw how you did not need us anymore, you could learn and act on your own."

She added, though, that watching the students shout "with the fury of the wronged" made her feel old and afraid, not just for their safety but for their youthful optimism that they could effect change and the possibility that spirit could be broken...

The major turning point came on Sunday, when the police cracked down on some in the crowd with tear gas, pepper spray, and batons. That approach backfired when thousands more angry protesters jammed the streets on the following day.

Officials at the University of Hong Kong, with 27,000 undergraduate and graduate students, held an emergency meeting. On Monday the university’s president, Peter Mathieson, issued a public statement saying the university "profoundly regrets the escalation of events in recent days." It went on to say that "we condemn violence of any kind by any party. We cannot understand the use of tear gas yesterday; the police and the government are accountable for that decision..

"I see no way the Chinese government can tolerate what is happening in HK. Greatly fear this will end badly," Mike Chinoy, a senior fellow at the U.S.-China Institute at the University of Southern California who covered the Tiananmen crackdown for CNN tweeted on Sunday.

The students crowding Hong Kong’s financial center represent a generation that is facing a dismal job market and exorbitant housing prices. When Chinese authorities ruled, in late August, that all candidates in the 2017 election for Hong Kong’s top administrator must effectively be screened by Beijing, much of their simmering discontent rose to the surface. In their view, the government was breaking a promise that people in this former British colony, which was handed over to China in 1997, would be able to participate in truly democratic elections.

Hong Kong students rolling the dice for democracy...

At this moment, when the whole world is watching, this old dog solider is proud that the students have the integrity to stand up for their beliefs... At the same time, I trust that the students to have a plan for all contingencies.

Uno

 

[Zee]

this kid that's leading the whole thing is going to get assassinated.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

When the world does not have its own axe to grind, its "outrage" is strong condemnation, that we we cant allow this and so on. See Bashar using chemical weapons, yes in this day and age of instant pics and videos as you said. All of it was recorded for posterity. Those rows and rows of dead women and children, dying in the most painful way imaginable of poison gas. What was done?

You're talking about something different though. Thousands die in the Middle East every few days. Every one around the world knows its a chaotic place and not exactly somewhere you call stable.

If people were to get steamrolled by tanks in HK it would be very different. You don't expect this kind of stuff in Asia's most glamorous city.

 

[squarecut1]

You're talking about something different though. Thousands die in the Middle East every few days. Every one around the world knows its a chaotic place and not exactly somewhere you call stable.

If people were to get steamrolled by tanks in HK it would be very different. You don't expect this kind of stuff in Asia's most glamorous city.

Use of poison gas on civilians is not an every day thing, even in the middle east. You would not wish that on your worst enemy. It was our own leader's stern "red line" that was not supposed to be crossed. Crossed it was though, very openly and brazenly. And the self proclaimed defenders of human rights around the world did what exactly?

Point is, even if China were to open fire on them, there would be nothing more than "strong condemnation". It is not as if the world, which understands only one language, that of dollars and cents, is going to cut its business ties with China.

 

[squarecut1]

Here is raw coverage of VICE news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGrZWaGocq8&list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ

 

[Smoblikat]

Eh, I thought they became legal to import last year? :|

Only the R32's, I want the R34

 

[kage69]

this kid that's leading the whole thing is going to get assassinated.

China is definitely going to 'disappear' that guy. Looks like the mainland Han are backed into a corner over face, which I agree is most likely going to end badly with the Red Army being involved.

Can't say I'd blame them though. Who the hell would want to be under Beijings yoke on all matters? I wish the democracy loving Hong Kong residents all the luck in the world, but unless the majority of the population is ready to pick up a rifle or man an IED ambush, the end result of this is going to be another Tienanmen Square where Beijing's elite show what they think of anything that smacks of independence or freedom.

Nice to see the Chinese having trouble on their front door step this time. Instead of trying to start shit hundreds of miles away by claiming, occupying and illegally developing the territorial waters of their neighbors.

Come on HK, go scorched earth on them! Just pack your shit and go girl, head to Singapore, maybe Australia? And be sure to light some fuses on the way out.

 

[MongGrel]

I think the protesters will continue to do their homework and help old ladies cross the street.

Pretty much I'd hope.

 

[squarecut1]

There is always lot of talk about how minorities, Muslims etc are treated in the west. And that is not without merit. But it pales in comparison to China and what they do there. They are a different breed.

It is the thing to do these days to bash religion as the root of so many evils. And there is some merit there. But all you have to do is look at Soviet Union and China to see that it is ultimately the human nature.

 

[himkhan]

I just left HK last week for a tour in the States and I fear you might be right OP.

 

[sandorski]

I could see the Chinese Government possibly giving in to the pressure and allowing Hong Kong to have their Elections. If other Chinese cities see such a movement though, they'll likely crackdown swiftly and hard.

 

[squarecut1]

I could see the Chinese Government possibly giving in to the pressure and allowing Hong Kong to have their Elections. If other Chinese cities see such a movement though, they'll likely crackdown swiftly and hard.

That is precisely why they wont allow it in HK. Because a precedent will be set. There is a lot of restive population inside mainland China which is being brutally suppressed

 

[sandorski]

That is precisely they wont allow it in HK. Because a precedent will be set. There is a lot of restive population inside mainland China which is being brutally suppressed

I think though, that Hong Kong isn't the typical case. From the start of when they received it back from Britain, China was able to allow HK a certain degree of autonomy. There is room for the leaders in China to compromise with HK, yet sell it to the rest of China as a special case, perhaps even packaging it as a test case for possible future reforms within China.

I think the Government of China is also aware that HK is treated as a unique city in the International community. There would be consequences for cracking down on HK. Not Military consequences, but potentially something much worse, long term Economic consequences.

 

[Phoenix86]

That is precisely why they wont allow it in HK. Because a precedent will be set. There is a lot of restive population inside mainland China which is being brutally suppressed

Yeah, HK is just like the rest of the country, no precedent already set or anything.

 

[squarecut1]

The Facebook post of Hong Kong leader's daughter, which has generated a lot of controversy

 

[Victorian Gray]

The Facebook post of Hong Kong leader's daughter, which has generated a lot of controversy

It's nice to have privilege.

 

[Svnla]

So the deadline is passed, what is the result? Anything new in HK?

 

[LegendKiller]

The Facebook post of Hong Kong leader's daughter, which has generated a lot of controversy

I was looking at that earlier today. Isn't too surprising, some people just have no concept of reality If I were her father I'd cut her off and force her to work at McDs for a summer. Make her ride the bus there and only have what she makes to spend on her frivolity, after I deducted food and rent.

Alas, too many parents want their kids to have more than they did, at the cost of their kid's humanity.

 

[MongGrel]

I could see the Chinese Government possibly giving in to the pressure and allowing Hong Kong to have their Elections. If other Chinese cities see such a movement though, they'll likely crackdown swiftly and hard.

I don't.

 

[Larries]

So the deadline is passed, what is the result? Anything new in HK?

Around 30 mins before midnight, the HK government agreed to have discussions with the students, so I guess no further actions until after the discussions.

Seriously, the biggest challenge the students facing is sadly, not the Chinese government, but the HK people are cared more about their own business and life than having a true election. So, the government is basically playing game of attrition... the longer the protest, more people from HK will turn against the students and the protesters; while the students and protesters are getting more tired too.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Around 30 mins before midnight, the HK government agreed to have discussions with the students, so I guess no further actions until after the discussions.

Seriously, the biggest challenge the students facing is sadly, not the Chinese government, but the HK people are cared more about their own business and life than having a true election. So, the government is basically playing game of attrition... the longer the protest, more people from HK will turn against the students and the protesters; while the students and protesters are getting more tired too.

CY Leung decided to send a representative to talk to the people instead of himself.

The HK/Chinese government is basically saying that if they ignore the people for long enough the situation will fix itself.

If the government ignores the people, things will be OK.

Government can just ignore the people.

 

[burninatortech4]

Alas, too many parents want their kids to have more than they did, at the cost of their kid's humanity.

Wow. You hit the nail on the head of this whole generation. The divider is the half? (being extremely generous) of the people who realize that 1) everyone needs to work 2) you should enjoy your job 3) at the end of the day... it's all up to you.

 

[Xellos2099]

Things get way out of hand... the protestor were attack and some sexually assaulted by the Mafia. The question is... who hired them,