I just heard from a friend that if I want to use my tv for gaming then plasma is bad because of the burn in of menus. True? Also I researched a little on DLP's. Do you have to change their bulbs?
I'll throw in a 2nd vote for the JVC LCoS models. It's a really cool technology that several of the other major companies have tried to bring to marked but failed. I think Sony finally has something similar out now, but the JVC's are relatively cheap and look amazing.
Best thing to do is go down to a local Costco or similar store and see all the different technologies stacked in front of and around each other. To my eyes, the JVC LCoS looked the best, then DLP tied with Plasma, then LCD flat panel, followed up by rear projection LCD.
Best thing to do is go down to a local Costco or similar store and see all the different technologies stacked in front of and around each other. To my eyes, the JVC LCoS looked the best, then DLP tied with Plasma, then LCD flat panel, followed up by rear projection LCD.
hate to break it to you sony fanbois... but they dont make the best tv. as a matter of fact, i think they have been falling down on the job. in no way, does anyone make a better tv than Hitachi. no way. IMHO
Best I have is a Sears
And LCD looks almost the worst you say? Also, again all i want to do is play video games pretty much. I want no burn in or other bad things that will happen from game playing and it needs to support 1080pEdit: I love that smiley
Well, Sears should work. I just like Costco because they have a bunch of TV's mingled together, on a bleacher type of setup, so you can stand like 10 feet back and view them all. Any other store will work, but you might not be able to view several in close proximity to see the difference.
In my opinion, the LCD's don't have quite as true blacks as the rest. It's more of a dark dark grey. They still look very good though. Plasma's are the only type that have an issue with burn in, but it's supposedly not that bad these days. I'd want to get more input on that though before I spent $2k+ on a rig that I would primarily use for gaming.
As for 1080P, I've only seen DLP TVs supporting that. But I haven't checked in the last few weeks...
In my opinion, the LCD's don't have quite as true blacks as the rest. It's more of a dark dark grey. They still look very good though. Plasma's are the only type that have an issue with burn in, but it's supposedly not that bad these days. I'd want to get more input on that though before I spent $2k+ on a rig that I would primarily use for gaming.
As for 1080P, I've only seen DLP TVs supporting that. But I haven't checked in the last few weeks...
i have a 42" edtv projection mitsubishi.
i am not sure how plasmas are, but i bought my tv in january for $1000 at goodguys.
most of the plasmas in the under $2000 range just did not look quite as good, and dlp was way too expensive.
depending on how much you have to spend i'd get a projection HDTV if you watn to go cheap or if you can get an lcd go for that, you can maybe get a 37" lcd for $1800 or so and it will just get cheaper the longer you wait.
i am not sure how plasmas are, but i bought my tv in january for $1000 at goodguys.
most of the plasmas in the under $2000 range just did not look quite as good, and dlp was way too expensive.
depending on how much you have to spend i'd get a projection HDTV if you watn to go cheap or if you can get an lcd go for that, you can maybe get a 37" lcd for $1800 or so and it will just get cheaper the longer you wait.
Raduque
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I'd get an LCoS or D-ILA display, unless you REALLY want 1080p, then get a high-end DLP. LCD and DLP are pretty much immune from burn-in (not sure about LCoS or D-ILA), it can happen to CRTs and it seems plasma is most susceptible to it.
Though I recently correctly setup my HTPC to my 1080i rpCRT, and it has blown me away with the PQ from DVDs. HD from my Dish box is quite nice as well. Not a sports fan, but I think I'm going to watch them because it's so damn good looking.
Edit: I also reccomending hitting up the avsforum for greater advice.
Though I recently correctly setup my HTPC to my 1080i rpCRT, and it has blown me away with the PQ from DVDs. HD from my Dish box is quite nice as well. Not a sports fan, but I think I'm going to watch them because it's so damn good looking.
Edit: I also reccomending hitting up the avsforum for greater advice.
I know "large sum of money" can be subjective, so I would suggest you set your budget first - keeping in mind things like mounts, stands, cables, etc. Then hit avsforum.com and read up. Then after that, go look at some panels. Follow your eyes. Everyone will tell you this is better than that, etc. But hands on experience and research will make YOU happy...
EDIT: As for good place to buy, if you have a costco or sam's club where you are, remember their extremely liberal return policies and hassle free environment (save for the lines on the weekends) are worth the membership fee!!
EDIT: As for good place to buy, if you have a costco or sam's club where you are, remember their extremely liberal return policies and hassle free environment (save for the lines on the weekends) are worth the membership fee!!
Thanks guys, I'll head over to Sears tomorrow and check things out. As of now, I think I'm going for a 42" plasma that supports 1080p. So now I just need to research the best brand and find the best price... Any suggestions? (Assuming I don't change my mind)
Edit: And I have a topic going on AVS. They are helping too, but I'd like as many opinions as possible.
Edit: And I have a topic going on AVS. They are helping too, but I'd like as many opinions as possible.
UNCjigga
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Well from what I can tell, in terms of image quality for flat screens it goes like this:
LCD > LCoS > DLP > Plasma > LCD-projection
Now plasma is a finicky creature...on the one hand its got great contrast, bright colors, good viewing angle. However, I have not yet seen a true 1080p plasma display...and if one exists its probably at least $5k-$7k for a 'small' 42" version. The other problem with plasma is the half-life of certain colors. Generally, I would avoid plasma, as the newest LCD-projection units are true 1080p and MUCH cheaper. If you want plasma, Pioneer or Panasonic FTW. For LCD projection, its hard to beat Sony.
DLP is the best/most affordable option, and the newest panels all support 1080p and have wicked fast colorwheels so you don't see that rainbow effect anymore (unless you have eagle-eye vision.) Samsung FTW!
The one I know the least about is LCoS. Seriously, who's really marketing LCoS displays these days? Sony? RCA? Can we get some more on the market? I hear its better than LCD projection and shouldn't have the color-wheel effect of DLP, but where can you find them?
Now onto the king of kings for image quality. Hands down, a direct-view LCD (as opposed to projection) gives you the best quality and best image, plus the true hang-on-a-wall capability that only comes with LCD or plasma. These used to be limited to 30" but now you can find 45" and even 65" LCD panels. All of these new panels do true 1080p. The only problem is cost--these are less cost effective than plasmas, but they might actually be worth it in terms of longevity. Once you're assured you don't have dead pixels (most of them you can't see anyway) then a good LCD will last a long time. Sharp Aquos FTW.
LCD > LCoS > DLP > Plasma > LCD-projection
Now plasma is a finicky creature...on the one hand its got great contrast, bright colors, good viewing angle. However, I have not yet seen a true 1080p plasma display...and if one exists its probably at least $5k-$7k for a 'small' 42" version. The other problem with plasma is the half-life of certain colors. Generally, I would avoid plasma, as the newest LCD-projection units are true 1080p and MUCH cheaper. If you want plasma, Pioneer or Panasonic FTW. For LCD projection, its hard to beat Sony.
DLP is the best/most affordable option, and the newest panels all support 1080p and have wicked fast colorwheels so you don't see that rainbow effect anymore (unless you have eagle-eye vision.) Samsung FTW!
The one I know the least about is LCoS. Seriously, who's really marketing LCoS displays these days? Sony? RCA? Can we get some more on the market? I hear its better than LCD projection and shouldn't have the color-wheel effect of DLP, but where can you find them?
Now onto the king of kings for image quality. Hands down, a direct-view LCD (as opposed to projection) gives you the best quality and best image, plus the true hang-on-a-wall capability that only comes with LCD or plasma. These used to be limited to 30" but now you can find 45" and even 65" LCD panels. All of these new panels do true 1080p. The only problem is cost--these are less cost effective than plasmas, but they might actually be worth it in terms of longevity. Once you're assured you don't have dead pixels (most of them you can't see anyway) then a good LCD will last a long time. Sharp Aquos FTW.
So a sharp brand LCD? What's the difference between these 2?
SHARP LC45GD4U
SHARP LC-45GX6U
I like the shape of the second one more.
SHARP LC45GD4U
SHARP LC-45GX6U
I like the shape of the second one more.
Actually, most would disagree. LCD's are the worst of those when it comes to color. They can display the least amount of the NTSC color gamut. They have the worst contrast. They have the highest black levels (lowest is best). They experience the fastest brightness dropoff with usage of any flat panel device. They have the worst response time of any digital display, and the ghosting that goes with it.
They do have a few advantages, though image quality isn't one of them.
They are bright in a full window. They have good resolution. They use marginally less electricity. They are very burn in resistant.
I guess I forgot to mention I want to mount it on the wall... That pretty much means LCD or plasma doesn't it?
Correct, unless you want to go with thin DLP (out of production, but still sold), or a projector.
There's only 1 manufacturer who makes a thin DLP, RCA, who makes the 61" HD61THW263. They also produce it for Infocus (as the 61" 61md10 and 50" 50md10). Unfortunately, because of high production costs, relatively mediocre picture quality (considering HD2+ chipset), and low sales, they've decided to stop production. There are still plenty of em in the channels, but there are no more being produced at this time.
Who knows, in the future there may be more.
i agree with most of what you said, but the brightness half life on lcds is about twice of plasmas.
so they win in that too.
LCDs currently have a brightness halflife of about 50k hours, plasmas are rated at 60k hours. Though plasmas currently have longer lifespans, the difference is minor, since these both equate to 15-20 years of normal use: easily more than enough. The real issue is HOW they dim. Plasmas actually get slightly brighter after the first 100 hours or so, and then have a gradual decrease until close to the 40-60k hour mark, when it's more steep. LCDs on the other hand have a steep initial brightness decline, which levels out close to the 30-50k hour mark. If you go directly to the source (the manufacturers of the high brightness, ultra-long life cold cathode florescent lamps used in top LCDs) you can see this trend.
The next generation is anyones guess. Panasonic has already announced their next gen plasma will have a 100k hour halflife. I have yet to hear anything about the next gen CCFLs. Perhaps LEDs will improve their response time enough to be more widely used for LCD lighting.
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