I think I know why people on ATOT are hostile

[CrazyLazy]

This forum can be downright hostile sometimes. People resort to Ad hominem arguments when trying to prove their ideas. The irony is an Ad hominem argument is a logical fallacy, that is making an argument like that will not prove your idea in a logical setting. It isn't about people needing to get a thicker skin, it's about treating one another with a level of respect, the respect you would if you met them in person.

I think part of the reason for this is a lack of community. Outside of a few infamous members most people have no idea who the person is that they are responding to. Even over the internet it is much easier to insult someone if you know that if you encounter that same person another time on the forum they are unlikely to remember you.

One way to help people remember things is visually. This is why companies have logos and people unique faces, so that you can tell at a glance what something is without reading a name and fully processing that information. Right now to recognize members uniquely I have to scan dozens of small difficult to remember names because at least 1,000 different people have that flag avatar. So I think in the VB switch members should be allowed to have personal unique avatars. Not some flashy annoying .gif. Just a small non-animated image that will let everyone know who you are.



Cliffs: Members should be able to choose their own small, non-animated avatar in an effort to build community on this forum.

 

[Crono]

Pride is the reason. It's always the reason.

I agree on allowing avatar. 100x100 pixel limit, no animated gif, and must meet approval of mods (non offensive according to current AT standards, or mods will remove).

I want to use my Crono avatar!

 

[So]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This forum can be downright hostile sometimes. People resort to Ad hominem arguments when trying to prove their ideas. The irony is an Ad hominem argument is a logical fallacy, that is making an argument like that will not prove your idea in a logical setting. It isn't about people needing to get a thicker skin, it's about treating one another with a level of respect, the respect you would if you met them in person.

I think part of the reason for this is a lack of community. Outside of a few infamous members most people have no idea who the person is that they are responding to. Even over the internet it is much easier to insult someone if you know that if you encounter that same person another time on the forum they are unlikely to remember you.

One way to help people remember things is visually. This is why companies have logos and people unique faces, so that you can tell at a glance what something is without reading a name and fully processing that information. Right now to recognize members uniquely I have to scan dozens of small difficult to remember names because at least 1,000 different people have that flag avatar. So I think in the VB switch members should be allowed to have personal unique avatars. Not some flashy annoying .gif. Just a small non-animated image that will let everyone know who you are.

You're argument is not worth considering because you call yourself lazy!

 

[IEC]

Too serious for the Internets.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This forum can be downright hostile sometimes. People resort to Ad hominem arguments when trying to prove their ideas. The irony is an Ad hominem argument is a logical fallacy, that is making an argument like that will not prove your idea in a logical setting. It isn't about people needing to get a thicker skin, it's about treating one another with a level of respect, the respect you would if you met them in person.

I think part of the reason for this is a lack of community. Outside of a few infamous members most people have no idea who the person is that they are responding to. Even over the internet it is much easier to insult someone if you know that if you encounter that same person another time on the forum they are unlikely to remember you.

One way to help people remember things is visually. This is why companies have logos and people unique faces, so that you can tell at a glance what something is without reading a name and fully processing that information. Right now to recognize members uniquely I have to scan dozens of small difficult to remember names because at least 1,000 different people have that flag avatar. So I think in the VB switch members should be allowed to have personal unique avatars. Not some flashy annoying .gif. Just a small non-animated image that will let everyone know who you are.

I find your thoughts intriguing. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

 

[spaceman]

you see what you want to see and get what you want to get.

 

[KeithTalent]

You're Crazy!

KT

 

[AreaCode707]

Personal avatars would only give users another method of expressing their hostility, and they would be a nightmare to moderate on what is generally a PG-13 board at worst.

 

[CrazyLazy]

cliffs for the lazy like me

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
You're Crazy!

KT

I see what you did there.

 

[clamum]

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[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Cliffs: Members should be able to choose their own small, non-animated avatar in an effort to build community on this forum.

Ugh, no.

KT

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This forum can be downright hostile sometimes. People resort to Ad hominem arguments when trying to prove their ideas. The irony is an Ad hominem argument is a logical fallacy, that is making an argument like that will not prove your idea in a logical setting. It isn't about people needing to get a thicker skin, it's about treating one another with a level of respect, the respect you would if you met them in person.

I think part of the reason for this is a lack of community. Outside of a few infamous members most people have no idea who the person is that they are responding to. Even over the internet it is much easier to insult someone if you know that if you encounter that same person another time on the forum they are unlikely to remember you.

One way to help people remember things is visually. This is why companies have logos and people unique faces, so that you can tell at a glance what something is without reading a name and fully processing that information. Right now to recognize members uniquely I have to scan dozens of small difficult to remember names because at least 1,000 different people have that flag avatar. So I think in the VB switch members should be allowed to have personal unique avatars. Not some flashy annoying .gif. Just a small non-animated image that will let everyone know who you are.



Cliffs: Members should be able to choose their own small, non-animated avatar in an effort to build community on this forum.

no, it would lead to more hostility

 

[CrazyLazy]

To those who claim that avatars would only give another way to let people express hostility I disagree. Apply some simple rules to them, no nudity, swearing or personal attacks within avatars. It would be difficult for any member to go long posting with an inflammatory avatar given how easy they are to spot.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This forum can be downright hostile sometimes. People resort to Ad hominem arguments when trying to prove their ideas. The irony is an Ad hominem argument is a logical fallacy, that is making an argument like that will not prove your idea in a logical setting. It isn't about people needing to get a thicker skin, it's about treating one another with a level of respect, the respect you would if you met them in person.

I think part of the reason for this is a lack of community. Outside of a few infamous members most people have no idea who the person is that they are responding to. Even over the internet it is much easier to insult someone if you know that if you encounter that same person another time on the forum they are unlikely to remember you.

One way to help people remember things is visually. This is why companies have logos and people unique faces, so that you can tell at a glance what something is without reading a name and fully processing that information. Right now to recognize members uniquely I have to scan dozens of small difficult to remember names because at least 1,000 different people have that flag avatar. So I think in the VB switch members should be allowed to have personal unique avatars. Not some flashy annoying .gif. Just a small non-animated image that will let everyone know who you are.



Cliffs: Members should be able to choose their own small, non-animated avatar in an effort to build community on this forum.

no, it would lead to more hostility

No it wouldn't. That's the same argument private schools use for requiring uniforms, but truth is people looking to fight will always find something to use as a tool to start fights. Avatars allow personalization, but not at the cost of hostility. I've been on many forums, and I've never seen/had avatar issues starting arguments. Anyone foolish enough to make it a point of contention should take it elsewhere or be banned, anyway.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I want to use a Mars Attacks avatar.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
To those who claim that avatars would only give another way to let people express hostility I disagree. Apply some simple rules to them, no nudity, swearing or personal attacks within avatars. It would be difficult for any member to go long posting with an inflammatory avatar given how easy they are to spot.

Exactly.

 

[theflyingpig]

Having avatars will make this forum better. Also, inline images should be allowed. Threads will be thousands of times more interesting if there were in line images. We should also be allowed to embed sound files in our posts. I approve of this message.

 

[Evadman]

Screw that. I don't want to come here and see someone's wang, or an avatar that is flipping me off.

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
To those who claim that avatars would only give another way to let people express hostility I disagree. Apply some simple rules to them, no nudity, swearing or personal attacks within avatars. It would be difficult for any member to go long posting with an inflammatory avatar given how easy they are to spot.

None of those limitations can be coded into the system with current technology. As soon as current technology catches up, and we can make sure that none of those make it to an avatar, I may rethink my position.

 

[CrazyLazy]

There are actually strong image recognition techniques out that could catch most offensive avatars. Algorithms to read text in images have long existed to break captchas, but the same technique could be applied here to catch swear words. And just recently there was a program that could automatically recognize breasts and genitals in images. And no I am not kidding about the second one. The small number of other avatars that would fall through the cracks could be easily caught and reported by members, like any other post. And of course because of how customizable VB is members can always block all avatars entirely client side if they wish.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Cliffs: Members should be able to choose their own small, non-animated avatar in an effort to build community on this forum.

Just put up a selection of racks and you'll satisfy 90% of the people, even save time... Honestly, that's most of the avatars on most forums that allow you to choose your own, and doesn't filter.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This forum can be downright hostile sometimes. People resort to Ad hominem arguments when trying to prove their ideas. The irony is an Ad hominem argument is a logical fallacy, that is making an argument like that will not prove your idea in a logical setting. It isn't about people needing to get a thicker skin, it's about treating one another with a level of respect, the respect you would if you met them in person.

I think part of the reason for this is a lack of community. Outside of a few infamous members most people have no idea who the person is that they are responding to. Even over the internet it is much easier to insult someone if you know that if you encounter that same person another time on the forum they are unlikely to remember you.

One way to help people remember things is visually. This is why companies have logos and people unique faces, so that you can tell at a glance what something is without reading a name and fully processing that information. Right now to recognize members uniquely I have to scan dozens of small difficult to remember names because at least 1,000 different people have that flag avatar. So I think in the VB switch members should be allowed to have personal unique avatars. Not some flashy annoying .gif. Just a small non-animated image that will let everyone know who you are.



Cliffs: Members should be able to choose their own small, non-animated avatar in an effort to build community on this forum.

no, it would lead to more hostility

No it wouldn't. That's the same argument private schools use for requiring uniforms, but truth is people looking to fight will always find something to use as a tool to start fights. Avatars allow personalization, but not at the cost of hostility. I've been on many forums, and I've never seen/had avatar issues starting arguments. Anyone foolish enough to make it a point of contention should take it elsewhere or be banned, anyway.

It's been discussed since long before any of you were members here (and before I was around too) and it is not going to happen. Nevermind the fact that it would more or less put an end to this being a SFW forum, it would substantially increase moderator workload. How about we just give vacations for Ad-hom attacks?

 

[SlitheryDee]

You are not a unique snowflake...or however the saying goes.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This forum can be downright hostile sometimes. People resort to Ad hominem arguments when trying to prove their ideas. The irony is an Ad hominem argument is a logical fallacy, that is making an argument like that will not prove your idea in a logical setting. It isn't about people needing to get a thicker skin, it's about treating one another with a level of respect, the respect you would if you met them in person.

I think part of the reason for this is a lack of community. Outside of a few infamous members most people have no idea who the person is that they are responding to. Even over the internet it is much easier to insult someone if you know that if you encounter that same person another time on the forum they are unlikely to remember you.

One way to help people remember things is visually. This is why companies have logos and people unique faces, so that you can tell at a glance what something is without reading a name and fully processing that information. Right now to recognize members uniquely I have to scan dozens of small difficult to remember names because at least 1,000 different people have that flag avatar. So I think in the VB switch members should be allowed to have personal unique avatars. Not some flashy annoying .gif. Just a small non-animated image that will let everyone know who you are.

I find your thoughts intriguing. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

how dare you. how dare you.:| where are my micro payments for last weeks newsletter "goosemaster is so awesome" :|

 

[So]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
You are not a unique snowflake...or however the saying goes.

"I'm a leaf on the wind..."