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I think I just got someone fired

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: pinion9
I may have gotten 10 or so people fired at work last week. They are thinking about what to do about it. My job is to make sure things are secure and we are in compliance. I work at a healthcare facility, and we had an employee in a tragic accident, and several of her friends got in and looked at her medical record. I suspected something, did an audit, and handed it over to my manager.

I like almost all of these people, but wrong is wrong. Some of them have worked here for decades. Can't help stupid and wrong though.

I just hope they don't get fired.
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I agree with the OP, but you're just an asshole. Seriously.
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its a medical record! there may be stuff in it that this lady does not want others to know. he did the right thing.
 
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: pinion9
I may have gotten 10 or so people fired at work last week. They are thinking about what to do about it. My job is to make sure things are secure and we are in compliance. I work at a healthcare facility, and we had an employee in a tragic accident, and several of her friends got in and looked at her medical record. I suspected something, did an audit, and handed it over to my manager.

I like almost all of these people, but wrong is wrong. Some of them have worked here for decades. Can't help stupid and wrong though.

I just hope they don't get fired.
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I agree with the OP, but you're just an asshole. Seriously.
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Do you know how strict the HIPAA law is? The criminal penalties for non-compliance and violations? You don't fool around with that stuff. That's why HIPAA compliance is a multimillion dollar industry of its own.

It's not like there are any options.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
its a medical record! there may be stuff in it that this lady does not want others to know. he did the right thing.
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Lady and 2 y/o daughter died in a terrible boat accident. It isn't anyones business what her chest x-ray looks like or how many times they tried to get a pulse.

 
Originally posted by: kranky
Do you know how strict the HIPAA law is? The criminal penalties for non-compliance and violations? You don't fool around with that stuff. That's why HIPAA compliance is a multimillion dollar industry of its own.

It's not like there are any options.
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Can cost up to $50,000 per violation.

I feel if I didn't do it I wouldn't have been doing my job. That is one of the reasons I am here.

 
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: waggy
its a medical record! there may be stuff in it that this lady does not want others to know. he did the right thing.
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Lady and 2 y/o daughter died in a terrible boat accident. It isn't anyones business what her chest x-ray looks like or how many times they tried to get a pulse.
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yeap.

no reason for her friends to be looking into her records. hopefully they get fired.
 
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
I agree with the OP, but you're just an asshole. Seriously.
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I am an asshole for protecting patient confidentiality? :roll:

What if it was you and you were getting an HIV test? Or you had a foreign body stuck in you. Would I be such an asshole then for protecting you? Get a clue.

Everyone knows that if you let yours eyes wander, even once, you can be fired on the spot. Problem is, 10 people is like 12% of the department. What to do? Some people have worked here for 15 years and it's not like they can just go across town to get a new job. On the other hand, I value my employment and know what can happen. So, I don't look. Even if it is a family member (such as my wife) I don't look.

 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: waggy
its a medical record! there may be stuff in it that this lady does not want others to know. he did the right thing.
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Lady and 2 y/o daughter died in a terrible boat accident. It isn't anyones business what her chest x-ray looks like or how many times they tried to get a pulse.
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yeap.

no reason for her friends to be looking into her records. hopefully they get fired.
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Agree, you 100%, did the right thing. I would be very pissed if someone at a hospital released my records to ANYONE without my concent, except the director of my living will or the executor of my estate.
 
Originally posted by: NuroMancer
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: waggy
its a medical record! there may be stuff in it that this lady does not want others to know. he did the right thing.
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Lady and 2 y/o daughter died in a terrible boat accident. It isn't anyones business what her chest x-ray looks like or how many times they tried to get a pulse.
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yeap.

no reason for her friends to be looking into her records. hopefully they get fired.
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Agree, you 100%, did the right thing. I would be very pissed if someone at a hospital released my records to ANYONE without my concent, except the director of my living will or the executor of my estate.
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We have an electronic medical record. We have no charts. The hospital doesn't release information...BUT you can log on and look at any patient. Of course, you don't do that because you get fired on the spot.

It puts many people in a difficult situation. Normally it would take a lot of effort (and balls) to walk onto a floor and grab a chart. Now, simply type part of a name and here they are. Those with curiosity greater than willpower may take the chance and hope no one catches them. If they do, it is a resume updating event.

OH well.

 
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: NuroMancer
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: waggy
its a medical record! there may be stuff in it that this lady does not want others to know. he did the right thing.
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Lady and 2 y/o daughter died in a terrible boat accident. It isn't anyones business what her chest x-ray looks like or how many times they tried to get a pulse.
Click to expand...

yeap.

no reason for her friends to be looking into her records. hopefully they get fired.
Click to expand...

Agree, you 100%, did the right thing. I would be very pissed if someone at a hospital released my records to ANYONE without my concent, except the director of my living will or the executor of my estate.
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We have an electronic medical record. We have no charts. The hospital doesn't release information...BUT you can log on and look at any patient. Of course, you don't do that because you get fired on the spot.

It puts many people in a difficult situation. Normally it would take a lot of effort (and balls) to walk onto a floor and grab a chart. Now, simply type part of a name and here they are. Those with curiosity greater than willpower may take the chance and hope no one catches them. If they do, it is a resume updating event.

OH well.
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Yes, people have personal responsiblity and all that.... But why doesn't the hospital have a more secure system that will remove the temptation? Also, isn't the point that people shouldn't be able to look at records without authorization, not just that you can find out that they did afterwards?
 
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Yes, people have personal responsiblity and all that.... But why doesn't the hospital have a more secure system that will remove the temptation? Also, isn't the point that people shouldn't be able to look at records without authorization, not just that you can find out that they did afterwards?
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How? How can we determine who needs to look at what patient? We have nurses, technologists, pharmacists, phlebotomists, etc. etc. that all need this information. Please give me a good idea on how to determine who can access what that will work for all patients at all levels of care. We do have security (your avg. nurse cannot get HIV test results) but we can't limit who can open what.

The point of the system is so we never, ever lose any patient information and have a permanent record of it all.


 
I collected some of my best pron working in the IT dept of a major software firm when machines came through for work. You'd be amazed what peeps keep on their machines at work.

It was kinda an unwritten rule that our guys in IT would give you one warning, the "hey you make our job harder by doing this, if it continues we're obligated to report it and we can see everything anytime we want.". That was enough to get most everyone in line and compliant, but you always had those few special cases in sales, you know, the frat boy type who struts around like a peacock. Busting those guys after a fair warning was always fun.
 
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Yes, people have personal responsiblity and all that.... But why doesn't the hospital have a more secure system that will remove the temptation? Also, isn't the point that people shouldn't be able to look at records without authorization, not just that you can find out that they did afterwards?
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How? How can we determine who needs to look at what patient? We have nurses, technologists, pharmacists, phlebotomists, etc. etc. that all need this information. Please give me a good idea on how to determine who can access what that will work for all patients at all levels of care. We do have security (your avg. nurse cannot get HIV test results) but we can't limit who can open what.

The point of the system is so we never, ever lose any patient information and have a permanent record of it all.
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Fair enough. Admittedly I don't know enough about your system to criticize it.

All the same, it doesn't seem like it should be impossible to implement a more secure system. But if one hasn't been invented, that probably means there's good money out there for someone who can design something better... I'll get right on it, expect my phone call.
 
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Yes, people have personal responsiblity and all that.... But why doesn't the hospital have a more secure system that will remove the temptation? Also, isn't the point that people shouldn't be able to look at records without authorization, not just that you can find out that they did afterwards?
Click to expand...

How? How can we determine who needs to look at what patient? We have nurses, technologists, pharmacists, phlebotomists, etc. etc. that all need this information. Please give me a good idea on how to determine who can access what that will work for all patients at all levels of care. We do have security (your avg. nurse cannot get HIV test results) but we can't limit who can open what.

The point of the system is so we never, ever lose any patient information and have a permanent record of it all.
Click to expand...

Fair enough. Admittedly I don't know enough about your system to criticize it.

All the same, it doesn't seem like it should be impossible to implement a more secure system. But if one hasn't been invented, that probably means there's good money out there for someone who can design something better... I'll get right on it, expect my phone call.
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I'm sure there is great money in it. very few medical departments are useing it (there was an article linked not to long ago on this). IF someone could come up with a secure yet flexible system im sure they would be rich.
 
Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: ChiBOY83
Originally posted by: redly1

She said she'd have to have a little sit down with this individual and his manager.
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SHE...wow, thats guna be a very awkward convo at work..havin a female tell you not to look at pr0n

WOW
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If it's anything like my company, there wouldn't be much of a conversation. Just a short explanation as to why you are being terminated followed by the walk of shame, escorted out of the building with a box full of your personal effects.
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Will they give you time to transfer the existing porn to another computer? 😛 If so, who cares! :laugh:

 
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Yes, people have personal responsiblity and all that.... But why doesn't the hospital have a more secure system that will remove the temptation? Also, isn't the point that people shouldn't be able to look at records without authorization, not just that you can find out that they did afterwards?
Click to expand...

How? How can we determine who needs to look at what patient? We have nurses, technologists, pharmacists, phlebotomists, etc. etc. that all need this information. Please give me a good idea on how to determine who can access what that will work for all patients at all levels of care. We do have security (your avg. nurse cannot get HIV test results) but we can't limit who can open what.

The point of the system is so we never, ever lose any patient information and have a permanent record of it all.
Click to expand...

Fair enough. Admittedly I don't know enough about your system to criticize it.

All the same, it doesn't seem like it should be impossible to implement a more secure system. But if one hasn't been invented, that probably means there's good money out there for someone who can design something better... I'll get right on it, expect my phone call.
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What happens when they need to get to seomeone's medical records in a hurry but the person who's trying to get them doesn't have permission to view them? I think in a hospital, when anything can happen at any time, you need to make it as easy as possible to get someone's medical records.
 
do what i do, install firefox and run it on a memory stick and no one's the wiser.
yeah go ahead and check my IP history. i have no knowledge of it!!! and it doesnt show in my IE history 😀
 
In my opinion if nothing happens on the network, like anything bad, I don't think there should be constant surviellence of the worker's computer. If he gets his work done and doesn't cause any problems, I wouldn't like the intrusion but if something goes wrong like a virus unleashed, then I can understand finding out the source of the virus.
 
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