"I studied computer science, not English. I still can’t find a job."

[sze5003]

Or if you are like my company you work on nothing entry level related and keep getting more and more work because they save money that way. That and they never fire anyone except contractors. You have to royally screw up to get canned.

I don't really care about the title anyway because I get a small raise every year pretty much with a bonus too twice a year.

 

[smackababy]

^better than when I was working around government contractors. It takes an act of Congress to fire them, so they just promote the worthless ones up and out of their program office. It is incredibly stupid... It is like the dumber you are, the higher and faster you'll rise! Smart and hardworking? Never getting a promotion, wouldn't want another project to poach you!

 

[sze5003]

^better than when I was working around government contractors. It takes an act of Congress to fire them, so they just promote the worthless ones up and out of their program office. It is incredibly stupid... It is like the dumber you are, the higher and faster you'll rise! Smart and hardworking? Never getting a promotion, wouldn't want another project to poach you!

Lol sounds like my company. Do everything managers ask of you, volunteer for work when those are quiet, etc and every year you get excellent job but no promotion. And every year they change the requirements or whatever managers need to promote you.

I've been thinking of looking to work elsewhere but I've been here quite a while and the way everything is written here is so custom that you don't really learn anything new once you learn their system. Which kind of makes me feel stale when it comes to the tech interviews. That and if I do switch jobs I want to switch states too.

 

[Fox5]

That's not really an option when you have a house and if you want to be where family is. Work to live not live to work. Typically the places that have the good jobs are big urban centres where quality of life is not that great. Tons of pollution, violence, far from family, having to commute 2 hours both ways and dealing with ridiculous traffic. No thanks. Those places are nice to visit but not to live.

Hopefully though, I'll be able to come up with something to be self sufficient and not have to depend on "the man" for money. No job is secure these days.

I'm still jumping to conclusions as well for all I know they might give us more work in the process and keep us, so who knows. It's just scary how little jobs there is here though. Unless you want to move away from family and the place you know you really need to take a degree in whatever is booming locally and do that research.

You're kind of exaggerating with the commute and nicety of places to live. The San Francisco and New York City areas are the only areas where you might have to commute two hours to get a decent home. There's a lot more job hubs than just those two cities, Texas being a good example, but tech jobs are pretty much nation wide.
You may indeed have to leave non-nuclear family behind though to follow a job. Presumably, immediate family can move with you.

 

[Red Squirrel]

You're kind of exaggerating with the commute and nicety of places to live. The San Francisco and New York City areas are the only areas where you might have to commute two hours to get a decent home. There's a lot more job hubs than just those two cities, Texas being a good example, but tech jobs are pretty much nation wide.
You may indeed have to leave non-nuclear family behind though to follow a job. Presumably, immediate family can move with you.

I was thinking more Toronto and places like that. Definitely would not want to move in the states that's even more fast paced and businessy. That's where most of the big jobs are, but it comes at a big cost, making life practically not worth living. Some people like that kind of life style but it's not for me. I will switch careers before I move to that life style.

I think if worse comes to worse, and starting my own gig does not cut it money wise, I'll probably look at getting an apprenticeship in trades. I should have done from the start. Very worse case scenario I'd have to convert my basement to an apartment and rent it out to help pay bills. That's another thing, real estate is HUGE. If I could secure the funding I could build a 20 story apartment building and fill it fast. That comes with a HUGE risk though, would need millions of dollars of startup capital. Everybody is building hotels here, but nobody is building apartment buildings and people have trouble finding places to live here.

 

[MrPickins]

I was thinking more Toronto and places like that. Definitely would not want to move in the states that's even more fast paced and businessy. That's where most of the big jobs are, but it comes at a big cost, making life practically not worth living. Some people like that kind of life style but it's not for me. I will switch careers before I move to that life style.

I get the impression that your view of the US is all through popular media.

Sure, some places are like that, but not the majority.

 

[ibex333]

College is not about learning a job. You go to trade school if you want that.

What's it about then? Sitting on your ass long enough to get a piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall?

 

[purbeast0]

I was thinking more Toronto and places like that. Definitely would not want to move in the states that's even more fast paced and businessy. That's where most of the big jobs are, but it comes at a big cost, making life practically not worth living. Some people like that kind of life style but it's not for me. I will switch careers before I move to that life style.

lolwut?

it's very clear and obvious that you know nothing about things down here.

 

[sze5003]

What's it about then? Sitting on your ass long enough to get a piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall?

Yup it's about the paper and using that to get your foot in the door at an internship. Also, for connections if you network well enough throughout the years.

 

[ibex333]

1. Article writer complains that the programming he learned was useless for when he entered the workforce. As if to say, he was learning programming languages of past time.

A: That is your own damn fucking fault detective dipshit. If I get a degree in CS and have 5 classes in Advanced COBOL do you think I'm going to be swimming in job offers everywhere I turn? Or If I do VB do you honestly think thats an amazing skill? You're a dime a dozen. Also, your education evolves with your tradeskill, you need to adapt or die. If you don't learn the new languages as they come out, you're just as stupid of a fuck as someone who says "I can work this machinery in this expensive warehouse plant they are about to outsource to China. I better not do something smart like learn the next upcoming or new tradeskill".


2..

Fuck man I can't go on. This guy is retarded beyond repair. He sounds like some old bastard who went into college at 35 or something, barely graduated, and is saying "Wooaoooaah the world is moving too fast for me!". You also have to do shit (regardless of your graduation) like get off your ass and apply for places - in addition to not being completely social inept for interviews.

The man is fucking bitching nonstop about having to learn terminology and wants everything spelled out for him with charts, graphs, and pretty applications on an iPad. People like this just seem to always have sand in their vagina because all they can manage to do is complain "Ohhh man, I have to like... read this book and learn these terms and methodology! Then I'm going to have to write a paper to make sure I understand how they apply to real world! This is SOOOO useless!"

fake edit: And holy shit, you have problems telling the difference between the terms marketing and advertising? People like this shithead just need to be hit over the head with a bat repeatedly.

You mad, bro?

IMO, it is not a "given" that someone should constantly adopt and overcome. Why should life be a constant struggle uphill? If all we do is study all our life, when do we get to chill? People want to go to college to get a job, not to have to study more during and after college. If I pay money for college, I expect to be swarmed with job offers when I am done, otherwise, why go to college?

Why should a college teach COBOL or VB if these are not the languages in demand today? This just goes to show that Colleges are first and foremost a business. They are looking for suckers who will pay money and will get almost nothing for their money.

And what the fuck is wrong with someone going to college at 35? "Old bastard"? Who the fuck are you to judge? I bet you are one of those pricks who thinks there's a "right" age for everything. One "must" have his own place say by.. 25, finish college by.. 22.. Get married by 30, and so on... And if a person doesn't do all those things, well... he should just go die... Who put you in charge buddy?

"And holy shit, you have problems telling the difference between the terms marketing and advertising? People like this shithead just need to be hit over the head with a bat repeatedly."

-Actually, these terms often mean the same thing. Marketing something, is convincing some poor sucker to buy your crap. Advertizing is getting that poor sucker interested in buying your crap... or noticing it... Why make it any more complicated than that? Oh, wait... Making it more complicated is part of marketing... The more complicated it sounds, the more likely that sucker is to buy your crap because he doesn't understand what it is...

 

[Ns1]

What's it about then? Sitting on your ass long enough to get a piece of paper to frame and hang on the wall?

Making connections who you can hit up for a job when you need it. And that paper. Learning is like a distant 4th or 5th.

 

[ibex333]

Yup it's about the paper and using that to get your foot in the door at an internship. Also, for connections if you network well enough throughout the years.

If all it does is get your foot in the door for an internships, that's pretty pathetic. A guy spent 4 years just to get his foot in the door? Personally I expect a lot more... Like getting at least 50k from start with the skills acquired in college? You know.. Because you paid the same amount for college and need to start paying off your loan? Doesn't that make sense? There has to be a return on the investment. An immediate return. Because the bank doesn't want to hear that first, you gotta get your foot in the door for an internship.

Connections and networking? What if the person is antisocial? There should be effective ways to get a job without connections and networking. Everyone cant be social. People are different. Some people have anxiety disorders.. Some have phobias... What should they do? Go die? These ailments are a product of our society's structure. They didn't exist in the past. Sometimes they arise when someone cant get a job after spending 4 years in college.

Also, I don't get that whole thing about internships... When I was 18, I wanted to play basketball and Starcraft. And what's wrong with that? I was a friggin teen! When else do I get to have a childhood? And why should I pay for it now? It doesn't make any sense to me.

If I was doing internships at 18.... Going to college and doing more internships in my 20's.... Working and getting married in my late 20's... When do I ever get to just.. You know.. Have fun? I don't know... Go fishing? Sounds like a pretty boring life to me! Just saying...

 

[Ns1]

A guy spent 4 years just to get his foot in the door? Personally I expect a lot more... Like getting at least 50k from start with the skills acquired in college? You know.. Because you paid the same amount for college and need to start paying off your loan? Doesn't that make sense?

Nothing is guaranteed.

If I was doing internships at 18.... Going to college and doing more internships in my 20's.... Working and getting married in my late 20's... When do I ever get to just.. You know.. Have fun?

In college

 

[MrPickins]

IMO, it is not a "given" that someone should constantly adopt and overcome. Why should life be a constant struggle uphill? If all we do is study all our life, when do we get to chill? People want to go to college to get a job, not to have to study more during and after college. If I pay money for college, I expect to be swarmed with job offers when I am done, otherwise, why go to college?

In technical fields, you either stay current with continual self-education or you fall to the wayside.

Like it or not, that's the nature of the beast.

If all it does is get your foot in the door for an internships, that's pretty pathetic. A guy spent 4 years just to get his foot in the door? Personally I expect a lot more... Like getting at least 50k from start with the skills acquired in college? You know.. Because you paid the same amount for college and need to start paying off your loan? Doesn't that make sense? There has to be a return on the investment. An immediate return. Because the bank doesn't want to hear that first, you gotta get your foot in the door for an internship.

Connections and networking? What if the person is antisocial? There should be effective ways to get a job without connections and networking. Everyone cant be social. People are different. Some people have anxiety disorders.. Some have phobias... What should they do? Go die? These ailments are a product of our society's structure. They didn't exist in the past. Sometimes they arise when someone cant get a job after spending 4 years in college.

Also, I don't get that whole thing about internships... When I was 18, I wanted to play basketball and Starcraft. And what's wrong with that? I was a friggin teen! When else do I get to have a childhood? And why should I pay for it now? It doesn't make any sense to me.

If I was doing internships at 18.... Going to college and doing more internships in my 20's.... Working and getting married in my late 20's... When do I ever get to just.. You know.. Have fun? I don't know... Go fishing? Sounds like a pretty boring life to me! Just saying...

Well paying jobs aren't handed out like candy at Halloween, you know.

Like anything good in life, it requires effort.

 

[purbeast0]

Ibex is what is wrong with today's youth - they feel entitled to a $50k job right out of college no matter what.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Damn millennials,.. they clearly lack my awesomeness.

I was CEO of my 3rd (THIRD) mutli trillion dollar global company by the time I was a junior in college. This company was the smallest of the (then) 3; employee numbers hovered around 100,000,.. and I knew what EVERYONE was doing, at EVERY God damn second of the God damned day.



Our future truly is doomed.

Oh, and I have a harem of super model wives,.. plus, I work out like 10 hours a day.

 

[Imp]

Our future truly is doomed.

Oh, and I have a harem of super model wives,.. plus, I work out like 10 hours a day.

But what about the drugs?

Do you do the drugs?

 

[Aikouka]

Like getting at least 50k from start with the skills acquired in college?

It's really not that hard to start at over 50k with a CS degree.

Connections and networking? What if the person is antisocial? There should be effective ways to get a job without connections and networking.

Dude... I'm one of the most anti-social people that you'll ever meet, and even I have networked. Networking is just about the people that you know for whatever reason. Perhaps one of your church congregation members is a manager for a software development house. Boom... networked!

At this point, I really don't get why you're being so goddamn contrarian about everything that people are telling you.

Also, I don't get that whole thing about internships... When I was 18, I wanted to play basketball and Starcraft. And what's wrong with that? I was a friggin teen! When else do I get to have a childhood? And why should I pay for it now? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Internships are most common between your junior and senior year as that's when you're most likely the most useful to a business (while still in school). They're also usually paid and essentially serve as summer jobs.

plus, I work out like 10 hours a day.

D: Wuss! I clock at least 25 on my laziest of days!

 

[sze5003]

If all it does is get your foot in the door for an internships, that's pretty pathetic. A guy spent 4 years just to get his foot in the door? Personally I expect a lot more... Like getting at least 50k from start with the skills acquired in college? You know.. Because you paid the same amount for college and need to start paying off your loan? Doesn't that make sense? There has to be a return on the investment. An immediate return. Because the bank doesn't want to hear that first, you gotta get your foot in the door for an internship.

Connections and networking? What if the person is antisocial? There should be effective ways to get a job without connections and networking. Everyone cant be social. People are different. Some people have anxiety disorders.. Some have phobias... What should they do? Go die? These ailments are a product of our society's structure. They didn't exist in the past. Sometimes they arise when someone cant get a job after spending 4 years in college.

Also, I don't get that whole thing about internships... When I was 18, I wanted to play basketball and Starcraft. And what's wrong with that? I was a friggin teen! When else do I get to have a childhood? And why should I pay for it now? It doesn't make any sense to me.

If I was doing internships at 18.... Going to college and doing more internships in my 20's.... Working and getting married in my late 20's... When do I ever get to just.. You know.. Have fun? I don't know... Go fishing? Sounds like a pretty boring life to me! Just saying...

Well that's how it is and don't know what to tell you. Companies want experience even out of school. Networking helps.

I had a part time job in my field during the end of my junior and senior year in school. An internship for my major was required so it helped me.

Going the programming route also helped Me since most of my IT buddies didn't like that, they got stuck doing regular IT jobs. I got my first job out of school making over 50k.

It was a state job and I had to take a pay cut when they let everyone go because the education market crashed in 2010-11 when I left for the company I work at now. But I'm making the same amount almost now so it evened out.

Unless you are in med school there is plenty of time to play video games in college or do other activities.

 

[Maximilian]

What are some questions you guys would ask someone applying for a junior java developer position? So someone straight out of uni/college.

 

[Ns1]

What are some questions you guys would ask someone applying for a junior java developer position? So someone straight out of uni/college.

"How would you build a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?"

 

[purbeast0]

What are some questions you guys would ask someone applying for a junior java developer position? So someone straight out of uni/college.

the standard bs interview questions about interfaces vs abstract classes. stuff about collections and what the differences are between maps and lists. private, public, and protected differences.

then probably have them write some kind of for loop that does some kind of basic algorithm, like reversing the order of a string or something like that.

 

[sze5003]

What are some questions you guys would ask someone applying for a junior java developer position? So someone straight out of uni/college.

You probably want to look for entry level not junior. Depends on the company. There are plenty online.

What is polymorphism, encapsulation, and give an example?

What's final, protected, finally?

What's the differences between abstract class and interfaces?

Describe multithreading, what's synchronize vs asynchronous?

Difference between hashmap and hashtable?

Describe the different types of data structures in java.

But I think they ask harder ones than these even for entry level but you should be able to answer them or have an idea of how to talk about them.

Look up the example code for traveling salesman problem, and various other code they may make you etch on a whiteboard.

Also be familiar with Jsp, jsf, and model, view, controller architecture. Good if you know some stuff about angular too....seems to be in these days but I'm not a UI guy although I do practice some angular when I'm bored at work.

I too should be looking for these questions since I've been thinking of applying elsewhere. There are books on the types of questions they usually ask too but a lot of it is online.

 

[halik]

It's really not that hard to start at over 50k with a CS degree.



Dude... I'm one of the most anti-social people that you'll ever meet, and even I have networked. Networking is just about the people that you know for whatever reason. Perhaps one of your church congregation members is a manager for a software development house. Boom... networked!

At this point, I really don't get why you're being so goddamn contrarian about everything that people are telling you.



Internships are most common between your junior and senior year as that's when you're most likely the most useful to a business (while still in school). They're also usually paid and essentially serve as summer jobs.



D: Wuss! I clock at least 25 on my laziest of days!

The average was ~60K when i got out of undergrad back in 2006

 

[halik]

What are some questions you guys would ask someone applying for a junior java developer position? So someone straight out of uni/college.

What's the difference between abstract class and interface? Difference between Double and double? What's a static class?


Stupid stuff like that mostly.