I really want to get a ps3

[shingletingle]

Where are people coming up with statistics that the 360 now is completely reliable? Didn't people say that when Falcon was released also?

 

[Dari]

Where are people coming up with statistics that the 360 now is completely reliable? Didn't people say that when Falcon was released also?

Some want to believe...

 

[Kromis]

So umm...where's Ackmed? It ain't a party 'til we have both Dari and Ackmed!

 

[ZimZum]

Multiplatform and online gaming on 360 ps3 exclusives on ps3

This

Get both, good times. Especially with the recent deals allowing you to get a 360 for essentially $100.

 

[ShawnD1]

The people that see these issues are doing everything they can to look for problems and wouldn't know a good game if it slapped them in the face and called them Suzy.
Completely blown out of proportion, and if the console has the games you want and the functions you need, just get it. Its like comparing a Ferrari and a Lamborghini, both amazing.

Reminds me of my Sega Genesis. The graphics were inferior to the SNES but I didn't care because it's the same damn game. If you're a graphics whore, get a PC. If you want to play some games, graphics should be the last thing to look at. I would even buy a Wii if every game was bad ass and the online play was good.

 

[erwos]

Some want to believe...

Slightly more than that - didn't Squaretrade release some statistics showing that repairs on 360s dropped off dramatically with the releases of Falcon and (more so) Jasper?

 

[crisium]

Some multiplatform games like bayonetta are atrocious on the ps3 but IMO ps3 is worth it for the exclusives.

Bayonetta looking like ass on the PS3 was one of my few regrets in selling my 360 and switching to a PS3 in the past week. That and Gears of War 3 and possibly Fable 3. But I'd rather skip out on those games and have a worse looking Bayonetta than miss out on PS3 exclusives and pay $40+ a year to play online.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Bayonetta looking like ass on the PS3 was one of my few regrets in selling my 360 and switching to a PS3 in the past week. That and Gears of War 3 and possibly Fable 3. But I'd rather skip out on those games and have a worse looking Bayonetta than miss out on PS3 exclusives and pay $40+ a year to play online.

I gotta have both.

The worst part about Bayonetta though isn't that it looks worse, it is that the 360 runs at 60fps and the PS3 version is like a slideshow in many parts. That is just 1 game though and one of the most drastic examples.

The 2 best games this year were PS3 exclusives so I couldn't miss out. Uncharted 2, Demon's Souls.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Generally speaking, multi-platform games are pretty much the same on both consoles. Sometimes they are better on the PS3, sometimes they are better on the 360, but most of the time, the differences are negligible, if any differences even exist.

I own both and have owned both for quite some time, and the only reasons I really gravitate more towards the PS3 now is because of the unreliability of the XBOX 360, the outrageous cost of accessories for the XBOX 360, and the fact that you have to pay out the nose for basic features that should have been included with the console (online gaming, WiFi, a decent sized hard drive, etc.).

In response to the OP:

Obligatory yes/no. As purbeast said, why are you looking for other people's opinions? Make your own decisions. Do you want a PS3? If yes, buy one, if no, do not buy one.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Generally speaking, multi-platform games are pretty much the same on both consoles. Sometimes they are better on the PS3, sometimes they are better on the 360, but most of the time, the differences are negligible, if any differences even exist.

I own both and have owned both for quite some time, and the only reasons I really gravitate more towards the PS3 now is because of the unreliability of the XBOX 360, the outrageous cost of accessories for the XBOX 360, and the fact that you have to pay out the nose for basic features that should have been included with the console (online gaming, WiFi, a decent sized hard drive, etc.).

In response to the OP:

Obligatory yes/no. As purbeast said, why are you looking for other people's opinions? Make your own decisions. Do you want a PS3? If yes, buy one, if no, do not buy one.

Exactly the reasons I am looking to get a PS3 myself. Let's hope the wife takes the hint and I have one under the Xmas tree this year.

 

[purbeast0]

why "should" those features have been included with the console for free?

and 60Gb is more than enough. i still use the launch 20Gb HD and have no issues with space.

and those of you saying 'online gaming should be free', have you compared Xbox Live to PSN?

would you really prefer to have a free service the quality of PSN on Xbox 360, instead of paying $3/month for the quality of Xbox Live?

i sure as hell would not, and i would prefer that PSN had a service the quality of XBL for $3/mo instead of the shoddy free service they have.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

why "should" those features have been included with the console for free?

Because the differences between the PS3 and the 360 are negligible enough that spending ~$200 extra (much more if you have an early 360 with its pathetic 20 GB HDD or no HDD at all and need to upgrade) just to get the 360 to have the same features as the PS3 pushes the pendulum in favor of the PS3?

and 60Gb is more than enough. i still use the launch 20Gb HD and have no issues with space.

You get 13 GB as a user on the 360 with a 20 GB drive. With my scant amount of RB DLC and save games, I have enough room to install one game. The 360 sounds like a harrier jet when it's loading, and it's so unreliable that I'd prefer to install to the HDD to save wear and tear on the system. I don't have this problem at all with the PS3, because they included a decent amount of HDD space from the beginning. I can also upgrade the hard drive in my PS3 to any sized laptop hard drive for a reasonable price, as opposed to the absolute gouging Microsoft charges for its hard drives.

would you really prefer to have a free service the quality of PSN on Xbox 360, instead of paying $3/month for the quality of Xbox Live?

PSN is fine. It plays games online for free. That is more than enough for me. I consider it an added bonus that I can't hear little kids cussing at me by default on PSN.

I can also stream NetFlix on my PS3 for free, whereas I have to subscribe to XBOX Live Gold to use that feature on the 360. So, again, advantage PS3.

i sure as hell would not, and i would prefer that PSN had a service the quality of XBL for $3/mo instead of the shoddy free service they have.

To each their own, but that is your opinion. My opinion is that PSN is fine and that XBOX Live is not worth $50.

Oh, and the PS3 has Blu-ray and a rechargeable controller by default. And no RROD issues. I could go on...

I've had a 360 for over two years and a PS3 for over a year. At the beginning, the 360 had the clear advantage, because the price of the PS3 was horrible and the quality and quantity of PS3 games was pitiful. That is no longer the case, and it is becoming rapidly apparent that the PS3 is (finally) a better overall value than the 360. If I could go back in time, I would have bought a 60 GB PS3 instead of my 360 but hey, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Double post...why?! I only hit reply once!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

why "should" those features have been included with the console for free?

and 60Gb is more than enough. i still use the launch 20Gb HD and have no issues with space.

and those of you saying 'online gaming should be free', have you compared Xbox Live to PSN?

would you really prefer to have a free service the quality of PSN on Xbox 360, instead of paying $3/month for the quality of Xbox Live?

i sure as hell would not, and i would prefer that PSN had a service the quality of XBL for $3/mo instead of the shoddy free service they have.

I don't mind paying for XBL in some respects, but I do think that in some cases (such as Netflix), it is ridiculous to require a Gold membership. If both services work for me and one is free, why wouldn't I pick the free one? All I do is play games. I really don't care about much of the additional content on XBL. Here are the main gripes I do have (ignoring the online services):

1. Unreliable hardware
I have 2 Xboxes in the house -- for the "gaming" Xbox, I am on my fourth one. I hope to God my "Netflix" Xbox lasts. Granted, the last gaming one did last a couple of years, but I am sick and tired of dealing with failing hardware. Every few months, I hear about the new "super whizbang Alpha-Beta-Delta" revision that solves all that ails the Xbox, but yet, I still hear people complaining about dying Xboxes. And before anyone pipes in and says "Jasper solved the problem," two things: 1) They said that about Falcon and 2) More importantly, prove it with hard facts from non-biased sources. I really don't care if Microsoft says it fixes the issues because frankly, I don't trust them.

2. Outrageous accessory prices
60 GB is more than enough -- in your opinion. For the sake of argument, let's say I use it all up. Then what? Should I pay Microsoft's ridiculous prices and get a 250 GB (for example) from them for three times the cost of an actual 250 GB drive? On the PS3, I can use any standard SATA laptop drive, correct?

What about wi-fi? $80 - $100 for a freaking wif-fi adapter? SERIOUSLY? Yes, I know there are cheaper options (eBay, the original Xbox adapter, using alternate firmware on a Linksys to make it a bridge), but I am talking about Joe Public's options here. I hardwired one of my Xboxes and for the other, I bought a wireless N bridge because it was the same price as the MS adapter, was faster (MS had no N adapter at the time), and had far more functionality.

Look, the bottom line is that MS can do whatever it wants and it can charge whatever it wants for its console and accessories. I am fine with that. I am also free to say "enough is enough" and move on to cheaper and more reliable hardware. The Xbox is just not competitive at its current price point with the PS3. And this coming from someone who traditionally despises Sony.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Look, the bottom line is that MS can do whatever it wants and it can charge whatever it wants for its console and accessories. I am fine with that. I am also free to say "enough is enough" and move on to cheaper and more reliable hardware. The Xbox is just not competitive at its current price point with the PS3. And this coming from someone who traditionally despises Sony.

Excellent post blanghorst, and I just wanted to second the statement that I quoted. I've given Sony a fair share of grief for their many boneheaded blunders (Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars!), but they've really added value to the PS3 since the rough launch. Microsoft just keeps on doing the same thing without adapting, just expecting that everyone will be dazzled by their early reputation and they will keep on reigning supreme no matter what.

Final Fantasy XIII is going to be extremely silly for Microsoft..."Please insert disc 7." It's going to be a real eye-opener (as if RROD wasn't enough) that Microsoft really rushed to the market to get a foothold. Add to that the outrageous price of 360 accessories, many of which contain features that are already included in the PS3 by default, and the 360 really starts to lose some of its luster.

XBOX Live might be superior to PSN, but is it worth $50? Not to me. All I want is to be able to play games online whenever I want without having to pay for it. That's it. None of this extra goofy garbage. Sony provides that...Microsoft doesn't.

If it wasn't for the fact that I've invested a good amount into Rock Band and Guitar Hero for the 360, plus a few good 360 exclusives (which I could play on my PC but don't feel like upgrading often), I would have no reason to own a 360. It's just a really poor value compared to the PS3 since they are both finally on equal ground.

 

[DaveSimmons]

^ install to the HD solves that, and with an Elite there is plenty of space.

The graphics chip and its cooling was the cause of the RRoD. Jasper is the version that shrunk the GPU down to 65 nm, greatly reducing power draw and heat. The SquareTrade stats did show a massive decrease in repairs post-Falcon.

Does this mean Jaspers never fail? Of course not. Wii and PS3s fail too. So do DVD players, TVs, coffee makers....

 

[purbeast0]

so basically you are saying MS "should" include everything the PS3 does for free simply because PS3 includes it at the same price, which is fair i guess, but i don't really see MS thinking that way .

i agree that the accessories are overpriced, which is part of the reason i havent bought any. i used an old router to make it a bridge to get my xbox360 online wirelessly, cost me absolutely $0. i also have no use for a larger hard drive (and i too have all of RB1 songs on my HDD, as well as some DLC, some XBLA games, etc). i just play games from the disc, don't really see a reason to install em, although im sure it does run the 360 cooler. since i have already fixed my 360 of the rrod issue, i don't really worry about it getting too hot anymore heh.

also, i guess you didnt want to play MW2 on your PS3 the day of it's release, or 2-3 days after, because you couldn't play it online at that time

i've had both consoles since launch (well not ps3 at launch, got it like 8 months later), and IMHO, 360 is far superior for the multiplayer, online experience, and PS3 is far superior for the single player adventures.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

^ install to the HD solves that, and with an Elite there is plenty of space.

The graphics chip and its cooling was the cause of the RRoD. Jasper is the version that shrunk the GPU down to 65 nm, greatly reducing power draw and heat. The SquareTrade stats did show a massive decrease in repairs post-Falcon.

Does this mean Jaspers never fail? Of course not. Wii and PS3s fail too. So do DVD players, TVs, coffee makers....

Awesome line of thinking there. So, because Microsoft released a crappy system the first year or two, I should just be happy to jump in line and spend $300 to buy another 360 when Microsoft finally "got it right"?

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

also, i guess you didnt want to play MW2 on your PS3 the day of it's release, or 2-3 days after, because you couldn't play it online at that time

Is that Sony's fault or IW's fault?

Regardless, I wouldn't want to play MW2 anyway, so it is a moot point to me.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Awesome line of thinking there. So, because Microsoft released a crappy system the first year or two, I should just be happy to jump in line and spend $300 to buy another 360 when Microsoft finally "got it right"?

No, I'm just feeding the tr--uh, replying to the posters that assert MS is hiding the fact that Jaspers are just as unreliable as Zephyrs, so they can take another billion charge to use up their extra cash.

If you look back on page 1 I point out the PS3 is now cheaper and that if I had to live with one console (plus a gaming PC) it would be my choice.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

No, I'm just feeding the tr--uh, replying to the posters that assert MS is hiding the fact that Jaspers are just as unreliable as Zephyrs, so they can take another billion charge to use up their extra cash.

If you look back on page 1 I point out the PS3 is now cheaper and that if I had to live with one console (plus a gaming PC) it would be my choice.

Oh, well, you put a ^ instead of quoting the posts you were replying to, so your post came after me and blanghorst posted.

Quoting is your friend!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

No, I'm just feeding the tr--uh, replying to the posters that assert MS is hiding the fact that Jaspers are just as unreliable as Zephyrs, so they can take another billion charge to use up their extra cash.

If you look back on page 1 I point out the PS3 is now cheaper and that if I had to live with one console (plus a gaming PC) it would be my choice.

Actually, I wanted to clarify something in case I wasn't clear enough -- if you are referring to my post, I did not say that Jaspers were unreliable -- what I said was that I have heard claims of having the problems fixed before (such as Falcon), only to be disappointed. Then I stated I had not yet seen concrete data indicating the Jaspers fixed the problem and wouldn't trust MS if they were the only ones stating that Jaspers "fix" the problem. If such data does exist -- GREAT. A little too late, however, especially for those of us with Falcons.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Actually, I wanted to clarify something in case I wasn't clear enough -- if you are referring to my post, I did not say that Jaspers were unreliable -- what I said was that I have heard claims of having the problems fixed before (such as Falcon), only to be disappointed. Then I stated I had not yet seen concrete data indicating the Jaspers fixed the problem and wouldn't trust MS if they were the only ones stating that Jaspers "fix" the problem. If such data does exist -- GREAT. A little too late, however, especially for those of us with Falcons.

There's supposedly a problem with Falcons? My 3 brothers, my dad, and I all have Falcons and none have had any problems. I don't know anyone with a Falcon or later that has had a problem; yet everyone I know, including myself, has had their release 360 break at least once.

 

[purbeast0]

well the RRoD issue still exists in the Falcon and Jaspers, because they use the X-Clamp to hold down the heatsinks, which is kind of the root of the problem.

HOWEVER ... they are only the root of the problem when the console gets too hot and causes things inside to get too hot and start to warp. the Jaspers and Falcons run cooler than the earlier 360s, so in theory, should prevent some of the RRoD's that may have happened if they were earlier models.

i just fixed one of the first gen elites, and the motherboard on this thing was flimsy as hell. when i was trying to pry the xclamps off, the board would start bending. i had never seen any mobo this flexible before working on this one. it was kind of scary and i thought i was going to snap it in half a few times heh.

ok sorry for the off topic.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

There's supposedly a problem with Falcons? My 3 brothers, my dad, and I all have Falcons and none have had any problems. I don't know anyone with a Falcon or later that has had a problem; yet everyone I know, including myself, has had their release 360 break at least once.

I had a Falcon RROD on me a few weeks ago. I believe the failure I had before that was a Falcon as well, though I might be mistaken. Just do a Google search -- while the Falcon did improve the situation quite a bit, many people are still seeing RRODs on them.