I really miss Ronald Reagan

[PrinceofWands]

You really need poll options for the non-partisan among us. Many aren't D's or R's. That being said I miss his movies far more than I miss his politics, and his movies sucked. Still, better him than Georgie...but not by much.

 

[0roo0roo]

he severely bungled the aids crisis, let the sinful fags die basically. i really don't care if he could make people laugh.

and yes he negotiated with terrorists.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Motorheader
I am not flat wrong. I have the mortgage papers to prove it and the information is readily available on the Internet that breaks mortgage rates down on a WEEKLY basis going back to the 1950's.

You are wrong and I proved it. You've got nothing. Inflation and interest rates COOLED under Reagan's term. The high interest rates where what was used to cool the double digit inflation.

They peaked the year after Reagan took office and steadily went down with only a couple small upticks along the way.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
he severely bungled the aids crisis, let the sinful fags die basically. i really don't care if he could make people laugh.

and yes he negotiated with terrorists.

Actaully, under Reagan AIDS recieved far more funding than cancer research (nearly 6 billion dollars). So while he publically ignored it for political reasons the first few years, he did fund it.

Amazing considering the fact that by that time AIDS had killed only 6000 people while cancer had killed tens of thousands each year.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_National_Liberation_Front

These are just some of the communists that were taking over central America at the time. With documented support from the USSR. And they were no less brutal than the Contras we supported.

You can keep believing revisionist bullsh!t history, or you can become objective and actually educate yourself. The choice is yours.

Simply put, it was a lessor of two evils situation. The only alternative was US occupations to stop the communist expansion into the Americas.

Which is why the people of Nicaragua just re-elected Daniel Ortega I suppose? Reagan's policies have been rejected by the people they were inflicted upon. The Contras were mercenary thugs, rapists, and murderers, and nothing more (unless you want to throw drug trafficing in there , but that isn't much of a sin compared to their other activities). Your list of alternatives is rather uninspired. You left out self-determination for the people of Nicaragua.

Again, the Sandinistas were every bit as brutal and corrupt as the Contras. So brutality is irrelevant. So is self determination when those people are choosing to align themselves with the most oppressive and evil empire in modern history.

Sorry you cannot see the sound reasoning for stopping the conversion of Central and South America into a new Soviet Block. Thankfully, men with better minds than you did.

 

[Smartazz]

I never got to live through his presidency, but I've heard some mixed review of his presidency in my life time.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Amused

Again, the Sandinistas were every bit as brutal and corrupt as the Contras. So brutality is irrelevant. So is self determination when those people are choosing to align themselves with the most oppressive and evil empire in modern history.

Sorry you cannot see the sound reasoning for stopping the conversion of Central and South America into a new Soviet Block. Thankfully, men with better minds than you did.

No, the Reaganites just murdered a bunch of people. That is history. These disgusting attempts by members of the Reagan personality cult to rewrite history will not prevail, the ghosts won't sleep. Your reply has basically reiterated the Reagan administration's declaration to the people of Nicaragua: "Vote for who we want or we'll keep killing you".

 

[Fingolfin269]

Why are my choices 'Democrat, Republican, not a citizen'? Why can't I be an Independent?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why are my choices 'Democrat, Republican, not a citizen'? Why can't I be an Independent?

Because if you try, the Republicans might kill you.

 

[altonb1]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Reagan was a war criminal plain and simple. Tens of thousands of innocent folks were murdered on his orders in Nicaragua, El Salvador, the African frontline states, Lebonon, etc. He sold weapons to Iran at a time Iran was considered and enemy of the U.S. The man was a disgrace who escaped justice. As to ending the Cold War, his decisions at the Reykjavik summit extended the Cold War by years, wasting hundreds of billions on unnecessary defense spending. His fiscal policies were obscene creating deficits on a scale not seen since WWII.

Hint: If you don't want a P&N discussion on ATOT then don't start a thread trying to gloss over some very shameful history.

:roll:

You apparently are very liberal and have a distorted view of his presidency. In my opinion, Reagan was one of the greatest presidents this country has ever known. I'd be willing to state top 3.

 

[BullyCanadian]

subscribed to for later I wanna read through this thread later when I have more time

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: altonb1

Originally posted by: ironwing
Reagan was a war criminal plain and simple. Tens of thousands of innocent folks were murdered on his orders in Nicaragua, El Salvador, the African frontline states, Lebonon, etc. He sold weapons to Iran at a time Iran was considered and enemy of the U.S. The man was a disgrace who escaped justice. As to ending the Cold War, his decisions at the Reykjavik summit extended the Cold War by years, wasting hundreds of billions on unnecessary defense spending. His fiscal policies were obscene creating deficits on a scale not seen since WWII.

Hint: If you don't want a P&N discussion on ATOT then don't start a thread trying to gloss over some very shameful history.

:roll:

You apparently are very liberal and have a distorted view of his presidency. In my opinion, Reagan was one of the greatest presidents this country has ever known. I'd be willing to state top 3.

I liked Lincoln, FDR, and Washington better

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
he severely bungled the aids crisis, let the sinful fags die basically. i really don't care if he could make people laugh.

and yes he negotiated with terrorists.

Actaully, under Reagan AIDS recieved far more funding than cancer research (nearly 6 billion dollars). So while he publically ignored it for political reasons the first few years, he did fund it.

Amazing considering the fact that by that time AIDS had killed only 6000 people while cancer had killed tens of thousands each year.

the simple fact was he ignored it until it until he couldn't. and then he didn't react rationally. just contrast the reaction of the also conservative thatcher government to aids with the passing out of clean needles and other preventative measures to keep the spread in check. and only 6k dead? thats just the part of the iceberg you can see.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Again, the Sandinistas were every bit as brutal and corrupt as the Contras. So brutality is irrelevant. So is self determination when those people are choosing to align themselves with the most oppressive and evil empire in modern history.

Sorry you cannot see the sound reasoning for stopping the conversion of Central and South America into a new Soviet Block. Thankfully, men with better minds than you did.

No, the Reaganites just murdered a bunch of people. That is history. These disgusting attempts by members of the Reagan personality cult to rewrite history will not prevail, the ghosts won't sleep. Your reply has basically reiterated the Reagan administration's declaration to the people of Nicaragua: "Vote for who we want or we'll keep killing you".

Good gawd you are dense. Why do you think we supported these factions anyhow? Just for sh!ts and giggles? No. It's because the people they were fighting were supported and controlled by the USSR.

If you bothered to open up a FACTUAL non-partisan book on the subject you'd figure this out.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

I liked Lincoln, FDR, and Washington better

Surprising that you didn't list Jefferson over Lincoln and FDR.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: altonb1
I'd be willing to state top 3.

Nah. Adams, Jefferson, and Coolidge all beat him.

 

[Motorheader]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader
I am not flat wrong. I have the mortgage papers to prove it and the information is readily available on the Internet that breaks mortgage rates down on a WEEKLY basis going back to the 1950's.

You are wrong and I proved it. You've got nothing. Inflation and interest rates COOLED under Reagan's term. The high interest rates where what was used to cool the double digit inflation.

They peaked the year after Reagan took office and steadily went down with only a couple small upticks along the way.

You proved nothing. I have MY mortgage papers from the time. Deficit spending went up, military spending went up, savings went down, and America's future was mortgaged.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Motorheader

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader
I am not flat wrong. I have the mortgage papers to prove it and the information is readily available on the Internet that breaks mortgage rates down on a WEEKLY basis going back to the 1950's.

You are wrong and I proved it. You've got nothing. Inflation and interest rates COOLED under Reagan's term. The high interest rates where what was used to cool the double digit inflation.

They peaked the year after Reagan took office and steadily went down with only a couple small upticks along the way.

You proved nothing. I have MY mortgage papers from the time. Deficit spending went up, military spending went up, savings went down, and America's future was mortgaged.

YOUR mortgage means exactly dick. I posted the yearly mortgage rates of the period. Either counter them with factual proof, or capitulate.

Mortgage rates:

Dec-81 15.53
Dec-82 13.44
Dec-83 11.94
Dec-84 12.26
Dec-85 10.7
Dec-86 9.29
Dec-87 8.86


You can claim the opposite all you want, but it's not Reagan's fault you got screwed on your loan.

 

[Motorheader]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader
I am not flat wrong. I have the mortgage papers to prove it and the information is readily available on the Internet that breaks mortgage rates down on a WEEKLY basis going back to the 1950's.

You are wrong and I proved it. You've got nothing. Inflation and interest rates COOLED under Reagan's term. The high interest rates where what was used to cool the double digit inflation.

They peaked the year after Reagan took office and steadily went down with only a couple small upticks along the way.

You proved nothing. I have MY mortgage papers from the time. Deficit spending went up, military spending went up, savings went down, and America's future was mortgaged.

YOUR mortgage means exactly dick. I posted the yearly mortgage rates of the period. Either counter them with factual proof, or capitulate.

Mortgage rates:

Dec-81 15.53
Dec-82 13.44
Dec-83 11.94
Dec-84 12.26
Dec-85 10.7
Dec-86 9.29
Dec-87 8.86


You can claim the opposite all you want, but it's not Reagan's fault you got screwed on your loan.

My name is not Richard

Prime

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Motorheader

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader
I am not flat wrong. I have the mortgage papers to prove it and the information is readily available on the Internet that breaks mortgage rates down on a WEEKLY basis going back to the 1950's.

You are wrong and I proved it. You've got nothing. Inflation and interest rates COOLED under Reagan's term. The high interest rates where what was used to cool the double digit inflation.

They peaked the year after Reagan took office and steadily went down with only a couple small upticks along the way.

You proved nothing. I have MY mortgage papers from the time. Deficit spending went up, military spending went up, savings went down, and America's future was mortgaged.

YOUR mortgage means exactly dick. I posted the yearly mortgage rates of the period. Either counter them with factual proof, or capitulate.

Mortgage rates:

Dec-81 15.53
Dec-82 13.44
Dec-83 11.94
Dec-84 12.26
Dec-85 10.7
Dec-86 9.29
Dec-87 8.86


You can claim the opposite all you want, but it's not Reagan's fault you got screwed on your loan.

My name is not Richard

Prime

Are you really so big a fool as to post something proving my point?

Interest rates peaked in 1980 and steadily fell after Reagan took office in 1981 with a few minor upticks along the way.

By the end of his first term, they were cut to less than half.

Or are you incapable of reading a simple chart? Apparently so.

Or maybe you lack the knowledge that even though Reagan was elected in Nov of 1980, he did not take office until late Jan 1981?

Either way, your link merely proves my point.

 

[BoomerD]

Ronnie Rayguns...possibly the only president in US history to make decisions guided by his wife's astrologer...senile old fvck...shoulda been impeached over the Iran-Contra affair...


Can you imagine how the repugs would have screamed, had it been a Democrat at the helm, with his intelligence agencies selling weapons to Iran, (a supposedly sworn enemy after the embassy kidnappings) just to fund their little war in Central America? Not to mention all the allegations of the CIA selling narcotics (cocaine/crack) to help pay for the whole operation...THAT part has never been proven beyone the reasonable doubt, but there was a LOT of controversy about it in the mid-late 80's...

 

[Miramonti]

I thought he had a great personality and lots of charisma altho I agree with BoomerD.

Beyond that he taught us that significant economic development and expansion can be achieved 3 ways - debt, more debt, and a sh!tload of more debt - while at the same time teaching us that its not important to worry about who pays off the accumulated debt, muchless its rapidly accruing interest.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: SampSon
He was a professional actor and a charming gentleman.

His greatest proformance was playing the president. The man was a puppet. He also was probably the most noticable turning point of the republican part. He campaigned as a censor. they took up the christian right banner. It is also the point where they became the war mongors. I find it quite sad that people actually consider him a good president. He did nothing for this country, in fact he caused a good deal of problems.

 

[latino666]

I liked the Cuban and potatoes joke :laugh: