I really miss Ronald Reagan

[13Gigatons]

I would like to thank Reagan for the 4 Trillion in debt that he gave America. Thanks Gip, nothing like fiscal conservatism.

Sorry I've had a rethink on the Reagan years.

 

[FoBoT]

Reagan was teh b0mb

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Motorheader

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader
Changed tax law's and that only benefitted the top 5-10% of wage earners. The trickle-down economics policy - ended up more like the "pee-on" the middle class policy. Countless military scandals and defense spending that we will NEVER pay for. The fall of the banking system, FDIC default, and the raid of Social Security to pay for that fall. Black Monday - October 19, 1987. The selling off of America that resulted in the U.S. being a debtor nation. The "war on drugs", or the lack thereof, and the resulting influence(s) of cocaine/crack on society.

Yeah, those were good times:disgust:

Are you kidding? His tax laws closed the loopholes that allowed the top 5% to escape paying most of their income taxes. In fact, it was the loss of these shelters that only benefited the rich that was a major contributor to the savings and loan crisis.

Finally, those laws (Tax Reform Act of 1986) were sponsored by two liberal democrats (Richard Gephardt and Bill Bradley)

And to blame Reagan for Black Friday is absurd. Markets around the world dropped dramatically. Interestingly enough, though, the gains in the years after Black Friday were historical.

And Reagan didn't start the war on drugs any more than Clinton did. He merely attempted to fight it. To not do so is political death, unfortunately.

Mmmm...yeah right.

A Mortgage in 1972 - 5%-6%
A Mortgage in 79-81- 16%
A Mortgage in 1985- 8%

I was in Real-Estate during the Reagan Era. It wasn't the loss of the shelters for the rich that prompted the S&L failure, it was the lack of foresight (just like now) during this time that led to and influx of money through the banking system and then when the bills came due - a tremendous number of people couldn't pay. The predominant politics of the time led to Black Friday. Money first - all else comes secondary. Six years of Reagonomics led to the Savings and Loans Scandal, which came to the forefront at the same time the Federal Tax Laws were overhauled, which came the time that the bottom dropped out of the stock market.

The politics and monetary policies during that Reagan era led to a greater gap in what one earned and what you could save and comfortably spend. Not everyone can be chiefs with no Indians to follow, so since everyone's wage expanded slower than the rate of inflation and the cost of goods at the time, it became easier to ship production facilities and jobs outside of U.S. borders, make it overseas, and ship it back, while Americans retained their "status quo" lifestyle. More women went to work, which again was necessitated by the rise in real-estate, higher taxes per dollar on the middle-class, and the decline of the family core. Who in the hell lives within their means now.

The flood of drugs that came into U.S. borders was a result of the inability to address the problems here at home in the U.S. The lack of true vision led to the failed war on drugs and the spineless and toothless "just say no" campaign that resulted.

Urban plight led to more people moving to the suburbs, lower real-estate value for cities, lower taxes coming in for those cities, and the flight of jobs and businesses to "safer" and more business friendly areas.

So much for America first and trickle-down economics.

Amazing! You blame double digit inflation and interest rates that started BEFORE Reagan was elected on Reagan.

Wow!

As for the rest of your tirade, I fail to see how any of that is Reagan's fault and most of it started years before he took office.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Unfortunately I was too young to remember the Reagan presidency (born in '84) but reading about the '80s, I think his presidency was mediocre. Sure, he was witty as hell but that says nothing of his politics. I think he failed accounting considering how big of a debt he let the US accumulate while he was president. Also, some of the scandals that happened during his presidency were a little too much for my tastes.

He did allow Paul Volker to do his job without criticism though which is a good thing.

 

[Motorheader]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader
Changed tax law's and that only benefitted the top 5-10% of wage earners. The trickle-down economics policy - ended up more like the "pee-on" the middle class policy. Countless military scandals and defense spending that we will NEVER pay for. The fall of the banking system, FDIC default, and the raid of Social Security to pay for that fall. Black Monday - October 19, 1987. The selling off of America that resulted in the U.S. being a debtor nation. The "war on drugs", or the lack thereof, and the resulting influence(s) of cocaine/crack on society.

Yeah, those were good times:disgust:

Are you kidding? His tax laws closed the loopholes that allowed the top 5% to escape paying most of their income taxes. In fact, it was the loss of these shelters that only benefited the rich that was a major contributor to the savings and loan crisis.

Finally, those laws (Tax Reform Act of 1986) were sponsored by two liberal democrats (Richard Gephardt and Bill Bradley)

And to blame Reagan for Black Friday is absurd. Markets around the world dropped dramatically. Interestingly enough, though, the gains in the years after Black Friday were historical.

And Reagan didn't start the war on drugs any more than Clinton did. He merely attempted to fight it. To not do so is political death, unfortunately.

Mmmm...yeah right.

A Mortgage in 1972 - 5%-6%
A Mortgage in 79-81- 16%
A Mortgage in 1985- 8%

I was in Real-Estate during the Reagan Era. It wasn't the loss of the shelters for the rich that prompted the S&L failure, it was the lack of foresight (just like now) during this time that led to and influx of money through the banking system and then when the bills came due - a tremendous number of people couldn't pay. The predominant politics of the time led to Black Friday. Money first - all else comes secondary. Six years of Reagonomics led to the Savings and Loans Scandal, which came to the forefront at the same time the Federal Tax Laws were overhauled, which came the time that the bottom dropped out of the stock market.

The politics and monetary policies during that Reagan era led to a greater gap in what one earned and what you could save and comfortably spend. Not everyone can be chiefs with no Indians to follow, so since everyone's wage expanded slower than the rate of inflation and the cost of goods at the time, it became easier to ship production facilities and jobs outside of U.S. borders, make it overseas, and ship it back, while Americans retained their "status quo" lifestyle. More women went to work, which again was necessitated by the rise in real-estate, higher taxes per dollar on the middle-class, and the decline of the family core. Who in the hell lives within their means now.

The flood of drugs that came into U.S. borders was a result of the inability to address the problems here at home in the U.S. The lack of true vision led to the failed war on drugs and the spineless and toothless "just say no" campaign that resulted.

Urban plight led to more people moving to the suburbs, lower real-estate value for cities, lower taxes coming in for those cities, and the flight of jobs and businesses to "safer" and more business friendly areas.

So much for America first and trickle-down economics.

Amazing! You blame double digit inflation and interest rates that started BEFORE Reagan was elected on Reagan.

Wow!

As for the rest of your tirade, I fail to see how any of that is Reagan's fault and most of it started years before he took office.

You're kidding, right? Grandpa was at the helm at the time, and he couldn't even get the flashing "00:00:00" off the VCR. You must not have lived, went to school, or worked during that time.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing
Reagan was a war criminal plain and simple. Tens of thousands of innocent folks were murdered on his orders in Nicaragua, El Salvador, the African frontline states, Lebonon, etc. He sold weapons to Iran at a time Iran was considered and enemy of the U.S. The man was a disgrace who escaped justice. As to ending the Cold War, his decisions at the Reykjavik summit extended the Cold War by years, wasting hundreds of billions on unnecessary defense spending. His fiscal policies were obscene creating deficits on a scale not seen since WWII.

Hint: If you don't want a P&N discussion on ATOT then don't start a thread trying to gloss over some very shameful history.

Only a simpleton would fail to see his policy in central America was a choice of the lesser of two evils. Either let murderous communists take over and with their USSR alliance threaten the US, or let murderous fascists take over and let them burn themselves out.

At least Reagan was a realist who got the job done, rather than an idealist who got nothing done. He effectively stopped communist expansion in the western hemisphere. A really amazing feat only a misguided liberal could not understand.

And your historical knowledge of the cold war is asinine, to say the least. Arms reductions would never end the cold war. Only the destruction of the USSR would do that, and Reagan greatly accelerated that process by bankrupting them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reykjavik_Summit

Reykjavik failed for the very reason the USSR went bankrupt. To say that prolonged the cold war is simply absurd revisionist bullsh!t. Reagan held his ground and Gorby balked. Bully for Reagan.

Where were these murderous Latin American communists of which you speak? He didn't let murderous fascists take over. He organized them, funded them, trained them, and armed them. Latin America was a threat to the US? Ridiculous. The socialist victories in Latin America were a threat to the profits of a small handful of American companies which had been profiting from exploiting those nations' resources but hardly a threat to the U.S.

The "bankrupting the USSR" by wasting billions in the US explanation for the end of the Cold War is just silly. The Cold War ended because Gorby chose to end it. The Soviet Union collapsed after that decision, not before hand.

All Reagan really did was waste a bunch of money and murder a bunch of innocent people. Shameful.

 

[Syringer]

This poll sucks. How can you know which answers are linked to what affiliation?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Unfortunately I was too young to remember the Reagan presidency (born in '84) but reading about the '80s, I think his presidency was mediocre. Sure, he was witty as hell but that says nothing of his politics. I think he failed accounting considering how big of a debt he let the US accumulate while he was president. Also, some of the scandals that happened during his presidency were a little too much for my tastes.

He did allow Paul Volker to do his job without criticism though which is a good thing.

But the present day Republicans miss him so much especially after Tuesday :laugh:

 

[squiggledot]

Nice video! Thanks for the reminder of a truly great president.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: dlock13
Ronald Reagan?! The actor?!

The United States President during the 1980's. The one that defeated the Soviets.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader
Changed tax law's and that only benefitted the top 5-10% of wage earners. The trickle-down economics policy - ended up more like the "pee-on" the middle class policy. Countless military scandals and defense spending that we will NEVER pay for. The fall of the banking system, FDIC default, and the raid of Social Security to pay for that fall. Black Monday - October 19, 1987. The selling off of America that resulted in the U.S. being a debtor nation. The "war on drugs", or the lack thereof, and the resulting influence(s) of cocaine/crack on society.

Yeah, those were good times:disgust:

Are you kidding? His tax laws closed the loopholes that allowed the top 5% to escape paying most of their income taxes. In fact, it was the loss of these shelters that only benefited the rich that was a major contributor to the savings and loan crisis.

Finally, those laws (Tax Reform Act of 1986) were sponsored by two liberal democrats (Richard Gephardt and Bill Bradley)

And to blame Reagan for Black Friday is absurd. Markets around the world dropped dramatically. Interestingly enough, though, the gains in the years after Black Friday were historical.

And Reagan didn't start the war on drugs any more than Clinton did. He merely attempted to fight it. To not do so is political death, unfortunately.

:thumbsup:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Motorheader

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Motorheader
Changed tax law's and that only benefitted the top 5-10% of wage earners. The trickle-down economics policy - ended up more like the "pee-on" the middle class policy. Countless military scandals and defense spending that we will NEVER pay for. The fall of the banking system, FDIC default, and the raid of Social Security to pay for that fall. Black Monday - October 19, 1987. The selling off of America that resulted in the U.S. being a debtor nation. The "war on drugs", or the lack thereof, and the resulting influence(s) of cocaine/crack on society.

Yeah, those were good times:disgust:

Are you kidding? His tax laws closed the loopholes that allowed the top 5% to escape paying most of their income taxes. In fact, it was the loss of these shelters that only benefited the rich that was a major contributor to the savings and loan crisis.

Finally, those laws (Tax Reform Act of 1986) were sponsored by two liberal democrats (Richard Gephardt and Bill Bradley)

And to blame Reagan for Black Friday is absurd. Markets around the world dropped dramatically. Interestingly enough, though, the gains in the years after Black Friday were historical.

And Reagan didn't start the war on drugs any more than Clinton did. He merely attempted to fight it. To not do so is political death, unfortunately.

Mmmm...yeah right.

A Mortgage in 1972 - 5%-6%
A Mortgage in 79-81- 16%
A Mortgage in 1985- 8%

I was in Real-Estate during the Reagan Era. It wasn't the loss of the shelters for the rich that prompted the S&L failure, it was the lack of foresight (just like now) during this time that led to and influx of money through the banking system and then when the bills came due - a tremendous number of people couldn't pay. The predominant politics of the time led to Black Friday. Money first - all else comes secondary. Six years of Reagonomics led to the Savings and Loans Scandal, which came to the forefront at the same time the Federal Tax Laws were overhauled, which came the time that the bottom dropped out of the stock market.

The politics and monetary policies during that Reagan era led to a greater gap in what one earned and what you could save and comfortably spend. Not everyone can be chiefs with no Indians to follow, so since everyone's wage expanded slower than the rate of inflation and the cost of goods at the time, it became easier to ship production facilities and jobs outside of U.S. borders, make it overseas, and ship it back, while Americans retained their "status quo" lifestyle. More women went to work, which again was necessitated by the rise in real-estate, higher taxes per dollar on the middle-class, and the decline of the family core. Who in the hell lives within their means now.

The flood of drugs that came into U.S. borders was a result of the inability to address the problems here at home in the U.S. The lack of true vision led to the failed war on drugs and the spineless and toothless "just say no" campaign that resulted.

Urban plight led to more people moving to the suburbs, lower real-estate value for cities, lower taxes coming in for those cities, and the flight of jobs and businesses to "safer" and more business friendly areas.

So much for America first and trickle-down economics.

Amazing! You blame double digit inflation and interest rates that started BEFORE Reagan was elected on Reagan.

Wow!

As for the rest of your tirade, I fail to see how any of that is Reagan's fault and most of it started years before he took office.

You're kidding, right? Grandpa was at the helm at the time, and he couldn't even get the flashing "00:00:00" off the VCR. You must not have lived, went to school, or worked during that time.

I'm 39 and vividly remember that the double digit inflation and interest rates started before Reagan took office in 1981. In fact, I can prove it:

Inflation rates:

1978 7.6
1979 11.3
1980 13.5
1981 10.3 (Reagan takes office)
1982 6.2
1983 3.2
1984 4.3

Mortgage rates:

Dec-81 15.53
Dec-82 13.44
Dec-83 11.94
Dec-84 12.26
Dec-85 10.7
Dec-86 9.29
Dec-87 8.86

You're flat wrong.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: ironwing
Reagan was a war criminal plain and simple. Tens of thousands of innocent folks were murdered on his orders in Nicaragua, El Salvador, the African frontline states, Lebonon, etc. He sold weapons to Iran at a time Iran was considered and enemy of the U.S. The man was a disgrace who escaped justice. As to ending the Cold War, his decisions at the Reykjavik summit extended the Cold War by years, wasting hundreds of billions on unnecessary defense spending. His fiscal policies were obscene creating deficits on a scale not seen since WWII.

Hint: If you don't want a P&N discussion on ATOT then don't start a thread trying to gloss over some very shameful history.

Only a simpleton would fail to see his policy in central America was a choice of the lesser of two evils. Either let murderous communists take over and with their USSR alliance threaten the US, or let murderous fascists take over and let them burn themselves out.

At least Reagan was a realist who got the job done, rather than an idealist who got nothing done. He effectively stopped communist expansion in the western hemisphere. A really amazing feat only a misguided liberal could not understand.

And your historical knowledge of the cold war is asinine, to say the least. Arms reductions would never end the cold war. Only the destruction of the USSR would do that, and Reagan greatly accelerated that process by bankrupting them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reykjavik_Summit

Reykjavik failed for the very reason the USSR went bankrupt. To say that prolonged the cold war is simply absurd revisionist bullsh!t. Reagan held his ground and Gorby balked. Bully for Reagan.

Where were these murderous Latin American communists of which you speak? He didn't let murderous fascists take over. He organized them, funded them, trained them, and armed them. Latin America was a threat to the US? Ridiculous. The socialist victories in Latin America were a threat to the profits of a small handful of American companies which had been profiting from exploiting those nations' resources but hardly a threat to the U.S.

The "bankrupting the USSR" by wasting billions in the US explanation for the end of the Cold War is just silly. The Cold War ended because Gorby chose to end it. The Soviet Union collapsed after that decision, not before hand.

All Reagan really did was waste a bunch of money and murder a bunch of innocent people. Shameful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_National_Liberation_Front

These are just some of the communists that were taking over central America at the time. With documented support from the USSR. And they were no less brutal than the Contras we supported.

You can keep believing revisionist bullsh!t history, or you can become objective and actually educate yourself. The choice is yours.

Simply put, it was a lessor of two evils situation. The only alternative was US occupations to stop the communist expansion into the Americas.

 

[nergee]

you cannot really grasp what the 80's were about by reading a book or opinionated article....you had to live it,
which I did....I don't know about others but so far in my lifetime, America has never been as good as it was
during the Reagan era...

 

[classy]

He was a terrible president and should have went to prison along with the whole crew in the white house.

 

[13Gigatons]

Originally posted by: nergee
you cannot really grasp what the 80's were about by reading a book or opinionated article....you had to live it,
which I did....I don't know about others but so far in my lifetime, America has never been as good as it was
during the Reagan era...

The 90's weren't so bad either buddy. The ecomony was strong and the budget was balanced.

Reagan/Bush put America in a deep hole that we have not recovered from yet.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: classy
He was a terrible president and should have went to prison along with the whole crew in the white house.

Would you also say the same thing about George Bush (#41) 1989-1993?

 

[BD2003]

So we're either democrats, republicans, or not citizens at all????

 

[CaptnKirk]

Reagan was a stupid man who could read from a teleprompter very well and play a role from a stage.
The GOP told him what to say and he excelled at a theatrical presentation.
He never had an original thought and when he was done playing the role of Governor in California,
he took his act to Washington DC to continue the charade.

 

[BW86]

Originally posted by: Colt45
I'm doing quite fine without Reagan.

qft

 

[chambersc]

George W. Bush is a good "pot roast" president -- meaning that I'd love to have him over for a dinner or to chat with -- but he's a HORRIBLE commander in chief.

Somewhat (I'm not that anti-Reagan as much) the same with Reagan.

Originally posted by: BD2003
So we're either democrats, republicans, or not citizens at all????

Yeah, I know. Kinda stupid but vote where you would fall closest to.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Amused

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_National_Liberation_Front

These are just some of the communists that were taking over central America at the time. With documented support from the USSR. And they were no less brutal than the Contras we supported.

You can keep believing revisionist bullsh!t history, or you can become objective and actually educate yourself. The choice is yours.

Simply put, it was a lessor of two evils situation. The only alternative was US occupations to stop the communist expansion into the Americas.

Which is why the people of Nicaragua just re-elected Daniel Ortega I suppose? Reagan's policies have been rejected by the people they were inflicted upon. The Contras were mercenary thugs, rapists, and murderers, and nothing more (unless you want to throw drug trafficing in there , but that isn't much of a sin compared to their other activities). Your list of alternatives is rather uninspired. You left out self-determination for the people of Nicaragua.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: chambersc
George W. Bush is a good "pot roast" president -- meaning that I'd love to have him over for a dinner or to chat with -- but he's a HORRIBLE commander in chief.

Somewhat (I'm not that anti-Reagan as much) the same with Reagan.

Originally posted by: BD2003
So we're either democrats, republicans, or not citizens at all????

Yeah, I know. Kinda stupid but vote where you would fall closest to.

Choosing sides is for the weak of mind. I choose candidates - I could care less what "side" their own. For every republican or democrat "ideal" I agree with, theres one that I completely dont.

This is our biggest problem in this day and age - not whether the republicans or democrats are "right", but why we've become so polarized that it's almost become a football game, where we need to choose one side to root for.

 

[Motorheader]

I am not flat wrong. I have the mortgage papers to prove it and the information is readily available on the Internet that breaks mortgage rates down on a WEEKLY basis going back to the 1950's.

His administration did not put America first and set the precedent for the selling off of American assets and the mortgaging of the future and burdening our children's children's children's children's ad infinitum with a bill that will never ever be repaid.

 

[EarthwormJim]

So I'm not a citizen if I'm neither democrat nor republican?