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Pollock

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If it is stated as retail, it's the same retail package as elsewhere (includes heatsink and fan).

I showed you the VNF3-250 earlier, and last it was going for $71 shipped on a deal from Newegg. It uses the nForce3 250 chipset, which is arguably the best chipset for the Athlon 64 (well, aside from like the Gbe and Ultra versions, but those just add gigabit ethernet and support for 1000MHz HTT, for much higher prices - you'll be fine with the regular 250).
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=13-152-043&depa=0
Unfortunately up to $79 shipped now; apparently the deal ended. Oh well, it may still be on sale somewhere else reputable. It's hard to compare the specs of motherboards other than what kinds of features they have on them (if you -need- stuff like firewire and gigabit ethernet, etc.) and what chipset they have on them. Again, the nForce3 250 is regarded as a better chipset than older nForce chipsets and Via chipsets. That's really all there is to it. Most people seem to say the VNF3-250 is also pretty good, so...*shrugs*

Ok, on XP: Let's get the least important thing out of the way, first. 4. - OEM stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer, and usually includes the bare item, with no manual, free software, or cables. An OEM copy of XP is what is shipped with computers built by large companies in order to cut costs (retail versions are more expensive, because you can use their license keys on an unlimited (?) amount of computers. OEM copies are just limited to 5 or so activations, is what I've been led to. You can try Googling it for more info.). OEM hardware is usually just the piece of hardware in an anti-static bag, in a white or brown box. Retail versions are slightly more expensive, often come with longer warranties, more colorful packaging, more accessories (read: free software and cables), a manual, and other random stuff.

Anyway, I was just suggesting trying the CD on your old computer to see if it detected it or not, to see if it made a copy fine. The CD won't format anything until you tell it to. All you need to do is see if the computer enters Windows setup, and if it does so, the CD works (like it should). You can just exit it then; don't bother installing XP on an old computer. To get the CD to work, you can first try putting it in the CD drive, and then rebooting. If it reboots to the desktop, reboot again. When you see the Compaq screen when it first turns on, try hitting F10, which lets you access the BIOS. I think F10 is the BIOS key for Compaqs. Anyway, look around the menus using the arrow keys on the keyboard to find anything about boot sequence. Try and change it to boot from the CD drive first instead of your hard drive (the floppy drive may also be set to boot). When you restart, check to see if it prompts you to boot from CD. Continue , and see if you enter Windows setup. You can just exit then. You can also try this on your newer desktop, too, just make sure you don't actually start formatting or installing.

If this works (like it should), you could just write down the serial key on the bottom of the laptop and use that. Otherwise, the only other really legitimate way is to order a new OEM copy for ~$70, giving you a new serial key. I say that you may as well try to use your current serial key first. If it doesn't work, just order a new copy and be done with it.
 

Coldkilla

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Love reading those informative posts! :D

The Windows XP CD. I put it in the computer while it was on and a window popped up. It asked me if I wanted to install windows XP. I X'd the window out so I could restart the computer. I restarted this machine (My compaq) and it loaded to desktop.

I went into my BIOS and it already loads from the CD Drive first anyway. Nothing happened.

Computer question: Does this motherboard support audio so I DONT need a sound card?
 

RussianSensation

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Originally posted by: Pollock

I don't see why you want the Geil ram, because it isn't really rated any better than the Corsair ram, and Corsair ram is know to be high quality. Even then, timings are relatively unimportant. You would be better off saving $20 and getting the Corsair.

True dat, EXCEPT Geil Value RAM smokes Corsair VAlue RAM when it comes to overclocking.

Review

Of course if overclocking is not a concern, i'd save the $20 like you said.
 

RussianSensation

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Originally posted by: Pollock
The VNF3-250 should also have a working AGP/PCI lock

The man said he would like to have Firewire.....VNF3-250 doesn't.....

What I'd get, since it is the next best thing next to DFI LanParty NF3 250.

It has 3 Firewire ports :)

And can you say 345FSB!
 

Coldkilla

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I have a question... Overclocking, is there any drawbacks to that? If it reduces the life of somthin in 1/2 forget it.

I am going to go with the Corsair Ram. I had a 1GB amount in my laptop that I bought 1.5 years ago, and I loved the loading times in games. I have no problem with this.

Another question: Online Buying: When buying from a retailer online, I know that I don't get shipping charges, but where does TAX come into play?
 

Pollock

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Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Originally posted by: Pollock

I don't see why you want the Geil ram, because it isn't really rated any better than the Corsair ram, and Corsair ram is know to be high quality. Even then, timings are relatively unimportant. You would be better off saving $20 and getting the Corsair.

True dat, EXCEPT Geil Value RAM smokes Corsair VAlue RAM when it comes to overclocking.

Review

Of course if overclocking is not a concern, i'd save the $20 like you said.
Nothing is guaranteed with ram, especially value ram, unless it's actually specified, like I said. I only remember him saying he might like to have firewire just in case, but that it wasn't a necessity. And, just because the DFI board is awesome, doesn't mean everyone needs to spend twice as much for stuff they don't need.

No, overclocking doesn't really reduce your lifespan at all, as long as you keep the voltage reasonable. However, it does void your warranty, so however important that is to you...

Tax is usually only applied if that retailer has a warehouse in the same state as you. I.E. Newegg has its warehouses in California and New Jersey, so I don't get any tax here in Ohio. However, there must be an Outpost warehouse or Fry's store somewhere in Ohio, because I get lots of tax from them (kills a lot of my deals).
 

Coldkilla

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So, if I am in Wisconsin.. Newegg dosnt charge tax? Nice, thanks. I had it at 115 dollars for tax, if I buy most of my stuff from there, thats a real number to knock down. I will get a list of the current configuration on my next post..

PayPal charged my account for my ebay an additional 33 dollars more, and now I am pissed. I will post the specs with the funds availible soon
 

Coldkilla

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MY CURRENT COMPUTER CONFIGURATION:

2x AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Processor Socket 754 Retail
$154.00 + $13.00 Shipping (Where I live) + FarCry Free
Link

2x MSI K8N NEO-FSR nForce3 250gb Athlon 64 Skt754 DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA Retail
100.00
Link

2x Corsair VS1GBKIT400 1GB Kit DDR400 PC3200 CAS2.5 Value Select Memory Retail (512x2)
$162.00
Link

2xBFG FX6800 OC 128MB Video Card with nVidia's GeForce 6800 Chip OverClocked
$ 250.00
Link

2x Case Unknown Estimated 59.99 dollars (Need lotta Watts & Reliability)

2x Western Digital Caviar WD800BB 80GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive
$57.00
Link

2xOptorite 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive Model DD0405, Retail
$47.00 + $4.00 Shipping ($51.00)
Link


2x Logitech Cordless MX Duo Elite Keyboard w/MX700 Optical Mouse Combo Retail
$66.00
Link

1x Windows XP
$79.00
Link

1xMAG Innovision PureFlat 17" CRT Monitor
$129.00 +30 Shipping ($160.00)
Link

Ebay Seller Fee's:
127.00
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Subtotal:
913 Per System x2 = 1826$ + 160$ monitor + 80$ Windows XP + 127$ Ebay Seller Fees: $2193
Tax (5.6% Here): $122.80
Total: $2315.70

The Paypal made me pay 77 dollars to them, and I have to pay for shipping (Techically he is paying for it, because he gave me an additional 50 dollars in the PayPal Transfer, 1850.25. Paypal deducted the 77 dollars from my account already leaving me with 1777 but I still have to pay shipping). Shipping + Paypal = 127 Dollars. I am calling them tomarrow. If you do paypal, and have had someone send you money from another country (Canada in this case), and they charge you this much let me know!

TAX: The Tax is based 5.6% (Wiscsonsin) of the $2193. If the websites above do not charge tax, please let me know... I dont know how to tell, and if some do, please stat which do or dont. If I didnt have to pay tax, the $2193 is WITHIN BUDGET. (Budget was 2,200- NO more). If there has to be tax on those, I need to save 115 someway, I could skip out on the 66 dollar wireless deal... *Sigh
 

RussianSensation

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Spend extra $4 on Newegg to get WD800JD with 8mb cache hard drive for $61. It should offer slightly better responsiveness.

Otherwise good rigs.
 

Coldkilla

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Good Rigs.. yay..
The computer is OVER BUDGET. Soo.. Ether I find out who charges tax, or I take some things down and save money by downgrading... *Sigh
 

Coldkilla

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1. Which of the stated websites (Stated in my last post) Would charge me TAX.
2. What do you recommend downgrading to stay in budget?
3. What do you recommend replacing it with then? Why?
 

Rumple

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I would say about 90% chance you wont be charged tax. I dont think any of those places are in WI.
 

Coldkilla

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90% eh? It would say in the website checkout (When i buy it) then I take it.

Since that is the case, lets say I at least save 60 dollars with tax, take that off the 105 I am behind..

I am still behind 45 dollars. I still have two 66.00 keyboard sets (132.00 for both)... I can downgrade this I GUESS... *Sigh

I now would then have 43 dollars for to spend on a keyboard and a mouse. I want a good quality mouse/keyboard with that money, but I dont know about going about it. I can then buy the same mouse/keyboard for the same price. $86 dollars I have for both keyboards/mouses, but 43 for ether me or my brother and we need the same thing. If you want me get SPECIFIC on how I got these figures, just ask.. I confuse alot of people, Im just trying to make it simple.
 

Coldkilla

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I changed many of my purchase places mostly at Newegg (To skip the tax and shipping). Thus saving AT LEAST 50 dollars, if I can verify that the other sellers don't do that, I have just saved 120 dollars and I was 105 in debt, This would bring me back in budget range.

Websites buying from:
Mwave
Newegg
Outpost
Viosoftware
Emicrox.com

Current Configuration, turns out to be 90 or so overbudget,
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2x AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Processor Socket 754 Retail
$154.00 + $13.00 Shipping (Where I live) + FarCry Free
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...x?scriteria=MB-BA03129

2x MSI "K8T Neo-FIS2R" K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL
103.00
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=13-130-434&depa=0

2x Corsair VS1GBKIT400 1GB Kit DDR400 PC3200 CAS2.5 Value Select Memory Retail (512x2)
$161.00
http://www.newegg.com/app/view...=20-145-480&depa=0

2xBFG FX6800 OC 128MB Video Card with nVidia's GeForce 6800 Chip OverClocked
$ 250.00
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4082672/

2x MGE NINJA Black/Silver ATX Mid Tower With 450W PSU & Side Window, Model "CA-NINJA-K" -RETAIL
$55.00
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=11-171-046&depa=1

2x Western Digital Caviar WD800BB 80GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive
$57.00
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...jsp?ProductCode=101318

2xOptorite 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive Model DD0405, Retail
$47.00 + $4.00 Shipping ($51.00)
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=27-182-023&depa=0


2x Logitech Cordless Navigator Duo SE -RETAIL
$60.00
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=23-126-147&depa=0]


1x Windows XP
$79.00
http://store.viosoftware.biz/wixphoedoem.html (Vio Software has it for 24 dollars less)

1xMAG Innovision PureFlat 17" CRT Monitor
$129.00 +30 Shipping ($160.00)
http://www.emicrox.com/eShop/p...mp;sgd=BM56&seid=8

Lets strive off this. Considering, no one has replyed in how long.. It must be to complex and my way of trying to announcing themes... Lets say the new computers landed BAM right on my desktop. The cost was 2,200 and I had 2,200... Lets just say I come up with 200 dollars. I want to upgrade these components with 200 dollars:
 

Coldkilla

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OK Then, what I'll do is fix my computer and such until this comming friday. (PayPal is going to take that long). I will then layout exactly how many pennies I have, and work from there. Until then, I am lost not knowing which of the ABOVE tax's people!

When I make my computers, if I didnt have a XP CD when starting it up the first time, what should I look for?

Question-- Well kinda: Which is Better, and WHY
The: ATI AIW RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/CATV/VIVO, 8X AGP, Model "ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 PRO" -RETAIL Link

The: BFG FX6800 OC 128MB Video Card with nVidia's GeForce 6800 Chip OverClocked
Link.

I know one costs more, just work with me on this one for a little. Stat the facts of the have/have nots between each one. Please keep as many personal experences to yourself, and focus on the facts please. Thx! :D
 

Kenazo

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6800 is faster, AIW Radeon 9800pro has vivo. Of course there are lots of differences, but those are probably the ones that matter to you. Both are probably overkill for you. A Radeon 9600xt would probably be sufficent though.
 

Coldkilla

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Soo... Which is better the

ATI AIW RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/CATV/VIVO, 8X AGP, Model "ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 PRO" -RETAIL

or

ATI AIW RADEON 9600XT Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, FM/TV/AV In/AV Out, 8X AGP, Model "ALL-IN-WONDER 9600XT" w/ REMOTE -RETAIL
..................................

I prefer the 9600 XT AIW because of Studio 8 and Morrowind that comes with it. I'll pay an extra 10 dollars for that sure.. And the little extras that card comes with.. Just, its just as good as the

ATI RADEON 9600XT Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL
Right? I mean, the one I gots the same just AIW correct?

Another question, putting video cards aside. Lets talk about ram
I have this ram selected. I might beable to go up from $161.00 on ram to $195.00. I have been looking at other rams, but I dont know much about DD400/333 etc... All I know is my present motherboard is:

Supported CPU: AMD Athlon64 Processors
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 2GB
IDE: 3x ATA 133(1 from Promise 20378) up to 6 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI

I need to know what 195.00 can give me in a ram, that would make it better than the other 1GB I currenty have a Corsair VS1GBKIT400 1GB Kit DDR400 PC3200 CAS2.5 Value Select Memory Retail (512x2),
Link. I play a lot of demanding games, not so much brand new but games that take on a lot of load.. If that helps any...

PS: My motherboard's Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI. I see 8X, if I have that 9600 XT who's BUS: AGP 4x/8x work with my motherboard since it has a 4x/8x and my motherboard just says 8x? Thanks
 

Pollock

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I only see that coming to a total of $1886, including shipping on some things.

First, you really wouldn't want to drop the 6800s for 9600XT...definitely a huge difference. Also, I keep telling you to go for the VNF3, saving you $60. There will be no tangible difference for you whatsoever. Also, I didn't realize that Mwave charged shipping (I'm used to free shipping from Newegg). If you don't need Farcry, you can order the 3000+s from Newegg, saving $6. Or order one from Mwave to get Farcry, but you shouldn't have to do. All A64 and A64 motherboard combos come with Farcry anyway, so just order those together; everything you save there being ~$66. I think there's a new deal on ram at Outpost.com, with a 512MB stick of Geil for $70 + whatever shipping.

One more thing; make sure you get the JB version of the WD drive, because it is superior. This one ($61) right here. Or you could even get the Hitachis ($65) which are much quieter than the WD and also have better performance. Plus the bonus of SATA, but it's not like that matters.

$75 Mushkin ram, which is a well known brand. Add in free shipping, and it probably comes out to the same price for the Geil ram with shipping from Outpost.

Wait, just noticed the VNF3 is $79 shipped now...Still, that's really your best bet.

Also, you could really save some money by getting different mice and keyboards. Wireless really isn't all that great, especially since you constantly have to change batteries. Your router (if it's wireless) may cause interference with the mouse too, causing it to suck a lot (my friend has that problem). Besides, I thought you said you already got a keyboard and mouse?

EDIT: Do NOT spend $40 more on ram where you would see far greater performance by spending that $40 on a better video card (i.e. keeping the 6800s). Ram is one thing you can easily skimp on because bandwidth and latencies don't affect performance much at all. Comes out to $1837 now, to leave room for shipping (mainly on Outpost's end).
 

Coldkilla

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Wow man, thx for that research.. It really made me think about some re-considerations. You must understand that the VNF is conflicted in other peoples minds as a bad mobo. Getting mixed signals from people is really making my head spin. I do realize its my possible loss, but then I must consider what IF somehow they were right, I'd thus then be screwed. I am in a perdicament to whom I believe, I cant learn all there is to know about MOBO's in this sort amount of time. I am basing that into everyone elses hands and getting these mixed signals is making me change my mind is to what MOBO i get every time you reply.... The Ram I have is from Corsair 1GB now running at 161 @ Newegg. Not to mention I have a 250$ increase in funds.

*( I would have talked about all of this sooner but I had to reserect my old computer out because my laptop got shipped a few days ago, it'll be at its destination by friday.

Now that that is out of the way: MY CURRENT SYSTEM:


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2x AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Processor Socket 754 Retail
$154.00 + $13.00 Shipping (Where I live) + FarCry Free
Link- Free Tax

2x MSI "K8T Neo-FIS2R" K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL
103.00
Link- No Tax

2x Corsair VS1GBKIT400 1GB Kit DDR400 PC3200 CAS2.5 Value Select Memory Retail (512x2)
$161.00
Link - No Tax

2xnVIDIA GeForce FX 6800 GT Video Card, 256MB, DVI-I/TV-out, 8xAGP, Retail
$375.00
Link

2x MGE NINJA Black/Silver ATX Mid Tower With 450W PSU & Side Window, Model "CA-NINJA-K" -RETAIL (450W is required, Tower must have View Window for LED lights)
$55.00
Link - No Tax

2x Western Digital Caviar WD800BB 80GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive (Prefer 120, 160, 200, or 250 if permitted)
$57.00
Link

2xOptorite 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive Model DD0405, Retail
$47.00 + $4.00 Shipping ($51.00)
Link - Free Tax


2x Logitech Cordless MX Duo Elite Keyboard w/MX700 Optical Mouse Combo Retail
$51.00 (JustDeals.com)

Link

1x Windows XP (If I can get it free, that is really recommended. Will install same CD/Registration # on both computers)
$79.00
Link

1xSamsung SyncMaster 19" CRT Monitor with DynaFlat Screen - Silver/Black
$199.00
Link
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Post your comments etc.. Please
 

Rumple

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Go with the nforce chipset on the motherboard not the via! Nforce is the way to go from what i have read everywhere.

And dont go with the 9600 stay with the 6800. I am VERY happy with mine.
 

Coldkilla

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Thats what I got:
nVIDIA GeForce FX 6800 GT Video Card, 256MB, DVI-I/TV-out, 8xAGP, Retail :D

I will consult the other forums about this MOBO Issue, thx rumple

 

Coldkilla

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Imma just roll with the same mobo, i need the 1394 jacks, the gigabit lan wont hurt if i learn how to have a LAN between two computers, it would save me 100s of CD-Rs!
 

Rumple

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This mobo has all the same features just the nforce chipset :

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=13-130-457&depa=1

I did alot of research when i was putting mine together and the consensus i got from this as well as many other forums was that the nforce chipset is much better than the via one. Just be sure thats what you want so you arent kicking yourself down the road. Are firewire ports worth taking a lesser chipset?

Or just spend the few extra bucks and get the nforce with firewire.
 

Hajime

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May want to go one DFI Lanparty UT 250gb and the other the VNF3.

You'll end up with firewire, and two superior mobos IMO.

You'll want to go either a 9800 Pro or 6800GT (6800nu is in a bit of an odd-spot both performance and price-wise. For a little bit more, you get a 6800GT, for a little bit less, you get a 9800Pro.).

Or, if you can wait a month, grab the dual-SLI A64 boards that are coming out, and grab SLI 6600GT's.

When you need to upgrade, just buy another 6600GT, SLI it, and bam.

Just an opinion there ;).