I need a reason for abortion being legal

[nehalem256]

Which would be quite alright with this board's resident misogynist....

a.k.a. nehalim256

The government already has no problem with invading the privacy and civil rights of men through:

Child support

And paternity testing (aka government mandated medical procedure involving forced oral rape of men)

 

[88keys]

Isn't killing cats and dogs generally illegal?

Ever hear of animal cruelty? :hmm: Seems like your comparison didn't exactly goes as you planned.

It has nothing to do with whether killing cats and dogs are illegal, IMO animal crueltly laws are BS anyway, but that's not the point.

The point is that we generally consider the killing of animals to be bad, but in no way to we equate that to being as bad as killing a human being.

So basically when you said things like:



You were just hiding what you really believed which was bolded above.

No, its just among the reasons that I feel abortion should be legal. Nobody said I have to pick one single reason.

 

[blankslate]

And paternity testing (aka government mandated medical procedure involving forced oral rape of men)

Only a misogynist would compare having your cheek swabbed for DNA to having oral copulation forced upon you... thanks for proving what you are.

 

[nehalem256]

Only a misogynist would compare having your cheek swabbed for DNA to having oral copulation forced upon you... thanks for proving what you are.

So mandating unnecessary medical procedures on people that involve sticks being inserted in their orifices is okay? ()

 

[blankslate]

So mandating unnecessary medical procedures on people that involve sticks being inserted in their orifices is okay?

So now you're equating a transvaginal probe to a cheek swab for DNA?

That's an idiotic and stupid comparison

Additionally, if you truly believe the comparison it's even more evidence for considering you a misogynist.

 

[nehalem256]

So now you're equating a transvaginal probe to a cheek swab for DNA? That's an idiotic and stupid comparison and if you truly believe the comparison even more evidence for considering you a misogynist.

I am comparing the government mandating unnecessary medical procedures involving inserting sticks into people's orifices.

Rape is rape.

 

[randomrogue]

Really? REALLY?!

 

[nehalem256]

I think now we can add. "Its just a swab" rape

 

[blankslate]

I think now we can add. "Its just a swab" rape

I think now I can just dismiss you as either a troll, a misogynist, an idiot or some combination of the those

 

[nehalem256]

I think now I can just dismiss you as either a troll, a misogynist, an idiot or some combination of the those

Or someone who is against the government mandating unnecessary medical procedures on men so women can extract money from them? :hmm:

Funny how you think not mandating procedures be performed on men without their consent is "misogynistic".

 

[blankslate]

Or someone who is against the government mandating unnecessary medical procedures on men so women can extract money from them?

Funny how you think not mandating procedures be performed on men without their consent is "misogynistic".

The word you're looking for isn't misogynistic which describes a hatred for woman...

Jackass.

As for a cheek swab? comparing that to rape? only an idiot, troll or misogynist does that...

Performing a cheek swab (regardless of whether it is on a male or female) just isn't as traumatic as rape and for you to equate them is truly reaching... and stupid.

 

[nehalem256]

Performing a cheek swab (regardless of whether it is on a male or female) just isn't as traumatic as rape and for you to equate them is truly reaching... and stupid.

It was liberals who started the referring to medical procedures as "rape", not me. :hmm:

 

[blankslate]

It was liberals who started the referring to medical procedures as "rape", not me.

Doesn't change the fact that a transvaginal probe is not the same as a cheek swab...

It also doesn't change the fact that a person equating the two of them is a troll, misogynist or an idiot.

Having said that it's obvious that replying to you about the stupid comparison is no longer in any way worthwhile.

 

[88keys]

Doesn't change the fact that a transvaginal probe is not the same as a cheek swab...

It also doesn't change the fact that a person equating the two of them is a troll, misogynist or an idiot.

Having said that it's obvious that replying to you about the stupid comparison is no longer in any way worthwhile.

Not to mention that a paternity test is entirely a civil matter, where a mother has to file a paternity suit against the alleged father. So it's not the government that is forcing the alleged father as much as it the mother. The is required to provide some degree of evidence to prove to the courts that a particular male individual could be the father of her child to file a paternity suit. So it's not like a mother can draw a name from a hat and tell a judge to make this guy take a paternity test.
It also does not equate to an invasion of privacy because the mother is basically required to provide probable cause to file a paternity suit. And furthermore the procedure is quite necessary to determine the father so child support can be obtained which in turn would mean less of a strain on social programs.

However requiring several Transvaginal ultrasounds during the abortion process is entirely unnecessary for a basic abortion procedure, and a clear invasion of privacy by the state. because what is done at an abortion clinic should be between a patient and her doctor...(sound familiar?)


I really hope you guys keep pushing new anti abortion legislation in the future because it's working out so well for your party.

 

[nehalem256]

Not to mention that a paternity test is entirely a civil matter, where a mother has to file a paternity suit against the alleged father. So it's not the government that is forcing the alleged father as much as it the mother. The is required to provide some degree of evidence to prove to the courts that a particular male individual could be the father of her child to file a paternity suit. So it's not like a mother can draw a name from a hat and tell a judge to make this guy take a paternity test.
It also does not equate to an invasion of privacy because the mother is basically required to provide probable cause to file a paternity suit.

So women are allowed to force men to undergo medical procedures to extort money from them to support their choices... :hmm:

Why do you think women should have control over men's bodies?

 

[RampantAndroid]

The is required to provide some degree of evidence to prove to the courts that a particular male individual could be the father of her child to file a paternity suit. So it's not like a mother can draw a name from a hat and tell a judge to make this guy take a paternity test.
It also does not equate to an invasion of privacy because the mother is basically required to provide probable cause to file a paternity suit.

Maybe my view is distorted from seeing shows like Maury and the morons dancing because they're not the father (fun to be had looking that up on youtube. Some real winners there) but why, if you cannot even properly remember who the father is, should they be responsible? Again - I've no problem with abortion (I'd change the laws some, but I'd keep it legal) and birth control (hand the stuff out like candy, for all I care) but I find the whole "you helped create this kid, you pay" thing to be...odd. IMO, a father early on should be able to say "I didn't have sex to create life, and I disavow this kid" at which point the mother can decide to go it alone, go for adoption, abortion and so forth. This view also stems from my belief that kids from broken families usually don't do as well.

 

[88keys]

So women are allowed to force men to undergo medical procedures to extort money from them to support their choices... :hmm:

Why do you think women should have control over men's bodies?

I've already explained my argument for it,. You just keep repeating yourself as if that is somehow a suitable replacement for intelligent debate.


But to put it more simpley. A mother with evidence can file a paternity suit against an alleged father. This isn't much different than when a police officer pulls you over for possible driving under the influence and asking that you take breathalyzer test. A breathalyzer would is no less invasive as a mouth swab test for paternity tests, both of which can be refused but will most likely result in automatic ruling thats not in your favor and/or charges being brought against you.

 

[Acanthus]

I'm very pro-abortion, but someone pointed out that almost every problem related to unwanted babies can be solved by putting babies up for adoption.
I can't afford to raise a baby --> adoption
I don't want my baby to be born in the year of the dragon - -> adoption
I was raped --> adoption
I don't want a baby --> adoption
Centipedes in my vagina --> adoption


The only stuff left is convenience. Being pregnant sucks. Is that what this is about? It interferes with school, it interferes with work, it makes it harder to find random men to sleep with, it means buying a whole new set of clothes, etc. Is that what it comes down to?

It lowers crime rates.

It helps with the out of control population growth.

A full outlaw on abortion would create a giant welfare state of unwanted children, with populations in the millions after a couple of decades.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I was raped --> adoption

I disagree with this one - it wasn't their choice to even have sex in the first place, so why should they go through with the pregnancy?

 

[who?]

When abortion was illegal doctors performing illegal abortions would panic if something went wrong, not call for an ambulance and their patient would die unnecessarily. When abortion was outlawed only outlaw abortions were performed.

 

[actuarial]

So women are allowed to force men to undergo medical procedures to extort money from them to support their choices... :hmm:

Why do you think women should have control over men's bodies?

What an insane line of thinking.

You don't think there'd be any difference between a pre-employment colonoscopy and a pre-employment drug test?

 

[88keys]

What an insane line of thinking.

You don't think there'd be any difference between a pre-employment colonoscopy and a pre-employment drug test?

He just keeps repeating his self and making strawmen because he knows he doesnt have a real argument to back his position up.

 

[dabuddha]

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

Lots of other things are like that. Welding without a mask even when they are readily available implies that you don't care if you go blind. Driving without a seatbelt means you don't care if you live or die. Not being on birth control tells the world you're willing to accept the consequences of being raped. It's not like rape is a rare thing. Women know how incredibly common it is. It's very likely that you know several people who have been raped. I'm not even 30 and I know at least 3 women who have admitted it. It's as common as crashing a car, and we wear seatbelts because we know how common that is.

I was following you until I read the bolded part. Then I realized how retarded you are

 

[nehalem256]

I disagree with this one - it wasn't their choice to even have sex in the first place, so why should they go through with the pregnancy?

So in a sense pregnancy is a punishment for choosing to have sex?

I find this interesting since that appears to be the liberal reasoning for why a man should be required to take responsibility for a woman choosing to have a baby?

 

[nehalem256]

I've already explained my argument for it,. You just keep repeating yourself as if that is somehow a suitable replacement for intelligent debate.


But to put it more simpley. A mother with evidence can file a paternity suit against an alleged father. This isn't much different than when a police officer pulls you over for possible driving under the influence and asking that you take breathalyzer test. A breathalyzer would is no less invasive as a mouth swab test for paternity tests, both of which can be refused but will most likely result in automatic ruling thats not in your favor and/or charges being brought against you.

Drinking and driving is a crime. Pretty sure consensual sex with a woman is not a crime. See the difference?

But I find it funny that you seem to think that having sex with someone allows you to control someone else body and invade their medical privacy. That certainly is an interesting belief. Do you extend that belief to men controlling the bodies of women they have sex with too?