I need a reason for abortion being legal

[Tom]

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

Lots of other things are like that. Welding without a mask even when they are readily available implies that you don't care if you go blind. Driving without a seatbelt means you don't care if you live or die. Not being on birth control tells the world you're willing to accept the consequences of being raped. It's not like rape is a rare thing. Women know how incredibly common it is. It's very likely that you know several people who have been raped. I'm not even 30 and I know at least 3 women who have admitted it. It's as common as crashing a car, and we wear seatbelts because we know how common that is.

WTF ? Women should take birth control in anticipation of being raped ?

 

[utahraptor]

Because when someone injects a parasite into your body without your consent you should be able to remove it.

If the state forces you to keep the parasite in your body they must finance the cost of keeping it alive 100%.

 

[nehalem256]

Because when someone injects a parasite into your body without your consent you should be able to remove it.

If the state forces you to keep the parasite in your body they must finance the cost of keeping it alive 100%.

So it is perfectly acceptable to ban abortion in cases other than rape right?

 

[utahraptor]

If it can be proven that no steps were taken to prevent the pregnancy and the sex was both consensual and legal and the couple wishes to terminate the pregnancy or signs a pre birth agreement to surrender the baby at birth and the state agrees to finance all prenatal nutrition and healthcare and provides wage compensation for any time not able to work as a result of the unwanted pregnancy not being aborted then yes it can be banned for that particular pregnancy.

 

[Veliko]

If it can be proven that no steps were taken to prevent the pregnancy and the sex was both consensual and legal and the couple wishes to terminate the pregnancy or signs a pre birth agreement to surrender the baby at birth and the state agrees to finance all prenatal nutrition and healthcare and provides wage compensation for any time not able to work as a result of the unwanted pregnancy not being aborted then yes it can be banned for that particular pregnancy.

Top, top answer. :thumbsup:

Unfortunately, you are wasting your time replying to him.

 

[Linux23]

3 strikes and you're out is my motto.

Get an abortion 3 times over a 7 year period and your abortion card gets pulled and your tube automatically gets tied. End of story, end of abortions for that half wit who didn't decide to go on birth control after the 1st pregnancy.

*obviously rapes and the health of the mom would be excluded.

 

[umbrella39]

3 strikes and you're out is my motto.

Get an abortion 3 times over a 7 year period and your abortion card gets pulled and your tube automatically gets tied. End of story, end of abortions for that half wit who didn't decide to go on birth control after the 1st pregnancy.

*obviously rapes and the health of the mom would be excluded.

Along those lines then would it be OK to perform a penectomy a man who has raped more than 3x?

 

[Phrost Phantom]

Abortion, in my opinion, is an evil thing. But, under certain circumstances I think it is okay. .

Of course, that goes back to the whole thing where I don't feel like should choose who can do this or not do this because of that. So, I guess in reality it's just frowned apon; at least from my point of view.

 

[Linux23]

Along those lines then would it be OK to perform a penectomy a man who has raped more than 3x?

Nah, cheaper to kick him in the nuts 100 times until he can't reproduce anymore. I would personally volunteer for that job to save taxpayers some money.

 

[ElFenix]

Because when someone injects a parasite into your body without your consent you should be able to remove it.

If the state forces you to keep the parasite in your body they must finance the cost of keeping it alive 100%.

you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[Thebobo]

(1) Murderers dying while committing murder is a bad thing?

Except the law of the land in the United States is that its NOT murder.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means.

Do explain, doctor.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Except the law of the land in the United States is that its NOT murder.

Facts only confuse and frighten him.

 

[nehalem256]

Except the law of the land in the United States is that its NOT murder.

Except we were referring to a theoretical case where abortion was made illegal.

The argument that abortion should be legal because someone might get hurt while having one is an idiotic argument. That same logic can be used to rationalize away a large number of crimes.

Maybe we should legalize robbing convenience stores so robbers don't get hurt?

 

[utahraptor]

Do explain, doctor.

I think the actual definition requires the invading organism to be of a different species than the host.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I think the actual definition requires the invading organism to be of a different species than the host.

In fact the bulk of available definition references do not, but I anticipated this distinction even before my reply. Of course, to employ that objection is rather to concede the point, since it must tacitly admit that a fetus is in every other manner fitting of the description.

 

[dmcowen674]

I need a reason for abortion being legal

Because it is not your body

/thread

 

[shortylickens]

(1) Murderers dying while committing murder is a bad thing?

(2) Please provide a source for your 1/3 will die stat. I remember hearing from a pro-choice source arguing that the streets were running red with blood before Roe v. Wade that the # was much much much less than that.

No one has hard stats from 1950's abortions, cuz very few women reported them (this was before medical privacy act and also society was a different place before womens lib). Its a rough estimate from legit doctors who dealt with such women after the fact. I got it from psychology class, forgot which topic we were discussing and how it came up, but it did.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Wow I forgot how mind numbingly stupid this thread was from beginning to end.

 

[Kadarin]

Abortion should remain legal because women should always retain the right to terminate a pregnancy if they so choose, for whatever reason.

 

[Smoblikat]

I'm very pro-abortion, but someone pointed out that almost every problem related to unwanted babies can be solved by putting babies up for adoption.
I can't afford to raise a baby --> adoption
I don't want my baby to be born in the year of the dragon - -> adoption
I was raped --> adoption
I don't want a baby --> adoption
Centipedes in my vagina --> adoption


The only stuff left is convenience. Being pregnant sucks. Is that what this is about? It interferes with school, it interferes with work, it makes it harder to find random men to sleep with, it means buying a whole new set of clothes, etc. Is that what it comes down to?

Your solution is to put an unwanted baby at the mercy of others? How many families are out there that can afford all these kids?

 

[Capt Caveman]

WTF ? Women should take birth control in anticipation of being raped ?

Yes, b/c the OP is a retard. Never mind that birth control doesn't prevent pregnancy 100% nor can every woman take birth control medication for health reasons.

Can't believe shit like this isn't locked.

 

[klinc]

Abortion is neither legal or illegal in the USA because there have been no laws passed just that abortion laws were over turned in 1973. No laws were changed nor added since then.

 

[nehalem256]

No one has hard stats from 1950's abortions, cuz very few women reported them (this was before medical privacy act and also society was a different place before womens lib). Its a rough estimate from legit doctors who dealt with such women after the fact. I got it from psychology class, forgot which topic we were discussing and how it came up, but it did.

From the Pro-Choice side:

Estimates of the annual number of illegal abortions in the United States during the1950s and 1960s range from 200,000 to 1.2 million

Prior to Roe v. Wade, as many as 5,000 American women died annually as a direct result of unsafe abortions

http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book/companion.asp?compID=100&id=20

So between 0.42%-2.5% as an upper bound clearly much less than 1/3. Note that this is using the UP TO 5,000 died annually.

Or for a more Pro-Life perspective which appears to cast doubts on the about 5000 figure

http://clinicquotes.com/pro-choice-facts-illegal-abortion-deaths/

Mary Calderone, former director of Planned Parenthood, estimated in a July 1960 article from the American Journal of Public Health that 90% of all illegal abortions were performed by licensed physicians in good standing. She writes the following:

“Abortion is no longer a dangerous procedure. This applies not just to therapeutic abortions as performed in hospitals but also to so-called illegal abortions as done by physicians. In 1957 there were only 260 deaths in the whole country attributed to abortions of any kind. In New York City in 1921 there were 144 abortion deaths, In 1951 there were only 15; and, while the abortion death rate was going down so strikingly in that 30-year period, we know what happened to the population and the birth rate. Two corollary factors must be mentioned here: first, chemotherapy and antibiotics have come in, benefiting all surgical procedures as well as abortion. Second, and even more important, the conference estimated that 90 percent of all illegal abortions are presently being done by physicians. Call them what you will, abortionists or anything else, they are still physicians, trained as such; and many of them are in good standing in their communities. They must do a pretty good job if the death rate is as low as it is…abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous.”

 

[klinc]

From the Pro-Choice side:

http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book/companion.asp?compID=100&id=20

So between 0.42%-2.5% as an upper bound clearly much less than 1/3. Note that this is using the UP TO 5,000 died annually.

Or for a more Pro-Life perspective which appears to cast doubts on the about 5000 figure

http://clinicquotes.com/pro-choice-facts-illegal-abortion-deaths/

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