I need a reason for abortion being legal

[JohnOfSheffield]

I wonder if more mothers die in childbirth versus how many children kill their mothers after birth?

You kill your mum yet or are you just cutting yourself up at this stage in your pathetic miserable life?

Or do you show her your hatred when she brings you cinnamon rolls and milk, wake you up for school and such?

You do realize how pathetic you really are?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You're a man after my heart, John, at least here.

Well, if i do say so myself, that is a sign of intelligence on your part.

Agreeing with me or running in the same direction is usually the smart thing to do.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It's called sterilization, sounds like a Nazi experiment. The 3rd Reich worked out great.

The Dead Kennedys had a song about it on their first album, "Kill the Poor"

Son of a.... Dead Kennedys are awesome!

Or were, or is.. i don't fucking know where they went but they took Black flag with them...

Dead Kennedys should have stayed though, used to wear their flag back in the 80's. Black flag never amounted to much though...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It's called sterilization, sounds like a Nazi experiment. The 3rd Reich worked out great.

The Dead Kennedys had a song about it on their first album, "Kill the Poor"

here ya go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I

I was going to post the "fuck the nazi punks" but i couldn't find it, i think the proxy is sometimes fucking with my search terms, usually works better with Yahoo but not even there tonight...

 

[shira]

Oh come on, I know you are not this stupid. You fully know a tumor can never turn into a human baby, yet a fetus will unless something kills it.

Therefor you know what you just said it stupid, since a fetus is MUCH MUCH closer to being a child than a tumor can ever be.

But we're not playing darts here, are we? Or bocce ball. So we're talking about a mass of human protoplasm with no hope of making it on it's own. Just like a tumor. Suck it out, do a little scraping if necessary, and flush it down the toilet.

Next.

 

[cybrsage]

But we're not playing darts here, are we? Or bocce ball. So we're talking about a mass of human protoplasm with no hope of making it on it's own. Just like a tumor. Suck it out, do a little scraping if necessary, and flush it down the toilet.

Next.

You claimed something that is not true. I easily showed it was not true. Are you going to still claim it is true and therefor shift being wrong into telling a lie?

 

[shira]

You claimed something that is not true. I easily showed it was not true. Are you going to still claim it is true and therefor shift being wrong into telling a lie?

You didn't show jack, Jack. "Close" is zilch, a nullity. We're talking a binary function here, but you're stuck in analog mode. Try getting with the program.

You make ignorant arguments and I put you in your place. I always put you in your place. The stuffed lamb I gave my girlfriend for her birthday is more of a challenge.

 

[alkemyst]

I think we've let these emotion filled bags get the better of us, time to take away their rights and treat them like the baby making cattle they are.

wow just wow.

Better hope your mom doesn't read this since you sleep within a 10 second walk from her.

Those above saying abortion is just property are also deluded.

I can agree with early stage abortions and never looking at that as an option.

However, those that choose to go to the last trimester then want to claim "IT'S MY RIGHT!" are fucking nuts and should probably be eliminated from society.

 

[cybrsage]

You didn't show jack, Jack. "Close" is zilch, a nullity. We're talking a binary function here, but you're stuck in analog mode. Try getting with the program.

You made this very explicit statement:

It's no more a "child" than a tumor.

This is patently untrue. It is FAR more a child than a tumor could ever be.

You make ignorant arguments and I put you in your place. I always put you in your place.

You do know there is a rule against outright lying, right? I would amend your statement because you are doing just that.

The stuffed lamb I gave my girlfriend for her birthday is more of a challenge.

Woah Woah! That is just gross! You need to keep your sexual appetites to yourself. We do not want to know about you sodomizing a stuffed lamb.

 

[shira]

You made this very explicit statement:

This is patently untrue. It is FAR more a child than a tumor could ever be.

You do know there is a rule against outright lying, right? I would amend your statement because you are doing just that.

Woah Woah! That is just gross! You need to keep your sexual appetites to yourself. We do not want to know about you sodomizing a stuffed lamb.

Now you're just repeating yourself. Same old "closer, closer." Same old obsession with kinky sex.

When you chant about the "Second Coming" during your little "Messianic Jew" holy roller meetings, does you mind imagine multiple orgasms shooting from the cross? Yes, I thought so.

 

[biostud]

Having a baby growing inside her body will stress the body and increase chances of blood cloths and other complications, and will change her body/life permanently. It should be her choice whether or not she would take the risks.

 

[actuarial]

Having a baby growing inside her body will stress the body and increase chances of blood cloths and other complications, and will change her body/life permanently. It should be her choice whether or not she would take the risks.

These are basically my thoughts as well. From my perspective, this ends once there are medical means to keep a child alive.

You have ample period of time to determine whether you will bring the fetus to viability, but once it's there (I believe this cross over point is 25 weeks), then you've made that decision.

 

[cybrsage]

Now you're just repeating yourself. Same old "closer, closer."

If you do not want your false statement to be easily debunked, don't post it. Or at least post it in a much faster moving thread so no one sees it and easily debunks it.

Same old obsession with kinky sex.

If you do not want people discussing your strange sexual desire for stuffed lambs, don't bring it up.

...logical fallacy removed...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

These are basically my thoughts as well. From my perspective, this ends once there are medical means to keep a child alive.

You have ample period of time to determine whether you will bring the fetus to viability, but once it's there (I believe this cross over point is 25 weeks), then you've made that decision.

While the fetus is brain dead to week 25 (no cerebral cortex activity) it does have basic neuro cortex functions, among them are breathing.

It's possible for a fetus to survive in a REALLY great hospital from week 22.

It's still braindead for three weeks and how you kill someone that is dead is a question i still haven't gotten an answer to.

 

[cybrsage]

It's still braindead for three weeks and how you kill someone that is dead is a question i still haven't gotten an answer to.

Well, it is not braindead as much as it has yet to fully develop a brain. But not having a brain does not mean something is not alive. Most living things on the planet do not have brains.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You made this very explicit statement:



This is patently untrue. It is FAR more a child than a tumor could ever be.



You do know there is a rule against outright lying, right? I would amend your statement because you are doing just that.



Woah Woah! That is just gross! You need to keep your sexual appetites to yourself. We do not want to know about you sodomizing a stuffed lamb.

This entire argument is retarded.

It's a fetus and before week 25 it's a much alive as you would be with a non functioning cerebral cortex.

IE, it's human and the cells live but it's not a living human being.

The definition is final and perfectly known, it is not in dispute by anyone who has knowledge of it or has researched it OR those who have actually spent hundreds of thousands of hours researching the development of the fetal brain.

You seem to have some kind of strange fetishes, last time you misinterpreted something i said as a golden shower... Just go to Dresden and get your fetishes satisfied and stop bothering us with them.

 

[Paul98]

Because someone doesn't want to have a baby or go through being pregnant

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Well, it is not braindead as much as it has yet to fully develop a brain. But not having a brain does not mean something is not alive. Most living things on the planet do not have brains.

THE CEREBRAL CORTEX IS NON-FUNCTIONING BEYOND RANDOM IMPULSE UP TO WEEK 25.

This isn't a discussion, it's me telling you about fetal brain development and it's not a claim, it's reality.

There is no discussion to be had whether a non functioning cerebral cortex entails brain death either.

I don't care what you feel, these are the facts and they ARE NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

Your argument is utterly retarded, we're not discussing Jellyfish or bacterias right to life, are we? If you are propagating for that, never take a shit again. YOU'S KILLIN THEM!

Seriously, you're not this stupid.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Because someone doesn't want to have a baby or go through being pregnant

Paul 98 gets it...

 

[cybrsage]

THE CEREBRAL CORTEX IS NON-FUNCTIONING BEYOND RANDOM IMPULSE UP TO WEEK 25.

This isn't a discussion, it's me telling you about fetal brain development and it's not a claim, it's reality.

There is no discussion to be had whether a non functioning cerebral cortex entails brain death either.

I don't care what you feel, these are the facts and they ARE NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

You are using it in an incorrect way to try and create a point that does not exist. You are comparing two different things. A fetus at that point in development is SUPPOSED to be like that. The phrase "brain dead" includes the connotation that the human is NOT SUPPOSED to be like that.

It would be like saying "There is something wrong with Bob because his brain waves are only at 4 to 7 cycles per second while the rest of us are at 14 to 30 cycles per second." but failing to mention that Bob is alseep and is SUPPOSED to be as such a low brain activity level.

Your argument is utterly retarded, we're not discussing Jellyfish or bacterias right to life, are we? If you are propagating for that, never take a shit again. YOU'S KILLIN THEM!

Seriously, you're not this stupid.

Agreed, but you are the one saying that something which is SUPPOSED to not have brain activity is brain dead. YOU are the one making the failed statement. If you do not like the connotations, change the statement to one that is actually proper.

 

[cybrsage]

This entire argument is retarded.

It's a fetus and before week 25 it's a much alive as you would be with a non functioning cerebral cortex.

Bot you and I were in that condition once. Amazingly, neither you nor I are brain dead...and never were brain dead. Our brains were functioning exactly as they were supposed to at that point in our human development.

IE, it's human and the cells live but it's not a living human being.

Correct, and I have never said a fetus is a human being. I have said, repeatedly, that the moniker of being is not applied until after birth. It is also this point where we currently give basic human rights.

The definition is final and perfectly known, it is not in dispute by anyone who has knowledge of it or has researched it OR those who have actually spent hundreds of thousands of hours researching the development of the fetal brain.

Quote to it then.

You seem to have some kind of strange fetishes, last time you misinterpreted something i said as a golden shower... Just go to Dresden and get your fetishes satisfied and stop bothering us with them.

Nah, just an understanding of those fetishes many here seem to both have and tell us all about.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

It does not constitute a living being inside the period that its legal.

 

[IGBT]

it's mostly liberal women flushing their kids down the toilet so who cares. Give em a plunger to keep the purge unabated.

 

[piasabird]

Abortion is the ultimate form of greed. It is premeditated murder for personal gain.

 

[actuarial]

Abortion is the ultimate form of greed. It is premeditated murder for personal gain.

Sweeping statements are almost always easily picked apart.

If someone is going to die unless the pregnancy is terminated, is that still considered 'the ultimate form of greed'?

How about if you have two perfectly good kidneys, someone needs a transplant, and you don't hop on the operating table? You're refusing to allow your body to be used to foster the life of another. That's about what abortion amounts to prior to feasibility.