I need a reason for abortion being legal

[shira]

What if fetuses could have flu shots that killed their mother!

Tell you what: When a fetus can contact the doctor's office and schedule a flu shot, you get back to me on this.

 

[momeNt]

Tell you what: When a fetus can contact the doctor's office and schedule a flu shot, you get back to me on this.

Medical power of attorney for health care maybe should go automatically to the father, as it is clear that the mother can have a conflict of interest.

 

[shira]

Medical power of attorney for health care maybe should go automatically to the father, as it is clear that the mother can have a conflict of interest.

I disagree with your premise: There is no "father" or "mother." There's a woman with a mass growing in her womb that she wants to get rid of. It's no more a "child" than a tumor.

 

[momeNt]

I disagree with your premise: There is no "father" or "mother." There's a woman with a mass growing in her womb that she wants to get rid of. It's no more a "child" than a tumor.

Well then you justify abortion by defying science and biology.

I agree with abortion on a practical sense, I simply have trouble justifying it logically without opening the door for infanticide because I am unsure of the differences between certain stages of fetal development versus a born infant. Some people in this thread offered some helpful ways of looking at it that helped me in being able to reconcile my qualms.

What you are doing though is completely insane.

 

[Ninjahedge]

No. I asked for a valid excuse for abortion to be legal and so far I'm just getting a bunch of bullshit answers.

Flame on!


...again.

People keep bringing up stuff like rape or medical problems, but that doesn't answer the question at all.

Because it answers the questions taht were raised after the original rhetoricals you put up.

Nobody is going to answer a baited question:

Yes of no, have you stopped molesting school children?

The abortion debate was always about women wanting abortions without a medical reason.

No, it isn't. And it has never really been a "debate". People use that term much to liberally to describe any disagreement. This is a fight, with one side trying to remove the decision making from another entirely.

I have no problem with some regulation to prevent abuse, but absolute forbiddance on something like this is not a fair condition, with the reasons you mentioned in the post I quoted being why.

 

[Ninjahedge]

I don't get any of this... are trees not alive?

So you said it was not OK to kill a "living" thing...

Are you arguing that an acorn is an oak, are you arguing that trees are human beings and as such can be comparable to human life?

I am dissembling your definition of "Life". You are trying to overcomplicate things and there are chinks in your armor..

Or are you just trying to be clever but fail so hard that it is not even amusing?

I do many things hard. Failing is not one of them.

I'm going with the latter choice and you are dismissed as you are either high as a kite, drunk as a skunk or just generally fucked in the skull.

Ah, I see you are no better when legitimately challenged as any you decry on other threads.

I am not disagreeing with most of what you say. I am just letting you know your shoes are untied before you go off and trip on them later.

You seem to have a problem with people not agreeing with you.

Get that, got it, fine, now piss off.

Grow up old man.

 

[Ninjahedge]

I want you dead.

Inappropriate.

What he said was vile and reprehensible, but wishing death on another on a BBS is no laughing matter.

Too many things have mirrored this and have ended in actual crimes of humanity.

 

[slayernine]

I want you dead.

SUCCESS!!! :awe:

 

[slayernine]

What if the pregnancy will kill the mother?

I wonder if more mothers die in childbirth versus how many children kill their mothers after birth?

 

[nyker96]

why every few weeks there's a abortion thread, one dies, another pops up. I mean why don't everyone just talk about something else for a change.

 

[shira]

why every few weeks there's a abortion thread, one dies, another pops up. I mean why don't everyone just talk about something else for a change.

Well, look at an abortion thread as being kind of like a fetus. Once we realize it's there it exists for a short time, but then we kill it. Then we fool around for a week or two until we find we have a new abortion thread. And then that thread exists for a little while before we kill it. And so on. Call us irresponsible.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

why every few weeks there's a abortion thread, one dies, another pops up. I mean why don't everyone just talk about something else for a change.

It's because the anti-choice individuals refuse to learn, but instead prefer to feign ignorance in order to justify their outrage at the idea of women having the same freedoms as men.

 

[slayernine]

Well, look at an abortion thread as being kind of like a fetus. Once we realize it's there it exists for a short time, but then we kill it. Then we fool around for a week or two until we find we have a new abortion thread. And then that thread exists for a little while before we kill it. And so on. Call us irresponsible.

... at heart each one of us wishes we were a slutty woman with a reserved parking spot at an abortion clinic.

 

[Ns1]

I can't believe the shit I'm reading on page 1 of this thread.

I need a reason for abortion being legal

I'm very pro-abortion, but someone pointed out that almost every problem related to unwanted babies can be solved by putting babies up for adoption.

I was raped --> adoption

Very narrow minded. Solution for rape is adoption? Really? You clearly don't have a daughter. I know no father who I have spoken to on this very issue that would put their child through carrying to term, birthing then giving up a baby in that situation, including me. The trump of rape is more than enough don't you think?

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

Just think of it as practice. After having the rape baby, she will know what to expect the next time she gets pregnant.

seriously? seriously?!??!

 

[RampantAndroid]

I can't believe the shit I'm reading on page 1 of this thread.

seriously? seriously?!??!

I could pretend to be surprised by the ignorance Shawn posted, but not much surprises me anymore.

 

[cybrsage]

I disagree with your premise: There is no "father" or "mother." There's a woman with a mass growing in her womb that she wants to get rid of. It's no more a "child" than a tumor.

Oh come on, I know you are not this stupid. You fully know a tumor can never turn into a human baby, yet a fetus will unless something kills it.

Therefor you know what you just said it stupid, since a fetus is MUCH MUCH closer to being a child than a tumor can ever be.

 

[cybrsage]

It's because the anti-choice individuals refuse to learn, but instead prefer to feign ignorance in order to justify their outrage at the idea of women having the same freedoms as men.

Actually, I am quite sure everyone who is against abortion also want men to not be able to have abortions as well. Your attempt to denigrate others has failed miserably.

 

[cybrsage]

When you finish third grade biology class we can have this discussion, obviously you don't know how babby is formed.

Sure I do, but that has nothing to do with what you responded to. Lets try again, this time do it with your mind actually engaged. I know you are not stupid, so stop acting like you are. Here was my statement, notice that your statement has nothing to do with it.

You are confusing the issue. The argument was "cannot tell you what to do with your body". This is as bad an argument to use here as it is to use in the drug threads. Obviously, you can be told what to do with your body, and the requirement to use clothing proves it.

People who use that argument are simply being lazy and not actually spending the time to think the argument through.

Besides, and I think you most likely already know this (I do not think the schools over there are completely terrible), being pregnant is a normal human event. In fact, it is a requirement for the continuation of the species. Someone being up your ass fits neither description.

 

[actuarial]

Oh come on, I know you are not this stupid. You fully know a tumor can never turn into a human baby, yet a fetus will unless something kills it.

Therefor you know what you just said it stupid, since a fetus is MUCH MUCH closer to being a child than a tumor can ever be.

So every fetus that does not make it to term was killed?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Sure I do, but that has nothing to do with what you responded to. Lets try again, this time do it with your mind actually engaged. I know you are not stupid, so stop acting like you are. Here was my statement, notice that your statement has nothing to do with it.

[/I]

Ok, my argument is still the same, before week 25 the fetus is as dead as any recently buried human being...

Now what?

It's my argument and i have provided it before, if pre week 25 brain activity means you are dead if you are born, how can you be alive if you are unborn?

Riddle me that and no offense taken and none given.

I just have a hard time figuring you out, you argue against evolutionary theory but only in a manner of someone who wants to argue against it, and you know about basic genetics and epigenetics via acetylisation and methylisation.. There is something you're not letting on. You're not daft, i get that much, but how well do you know these features of our DNA functions? Do you get that RNA programming is made via the acetylation and methylization of the DNA and that is is why protein programming via RNA sequence doesn't put a toenail in your eye?

Do you get what i am talking about at all?

 

[actuarial]

Actually, I am quite sure everyone who is against abortion also want men to not be able to have abortions as well. Your attempt to denigrate others has failed miserably.

What a ridiculous come back. Women should vote to change the laws to say that at puberty all males must receive a vasectomy. With the approval of a woman whom is willing to bear his child, it can be reversed.

And when you start crying about taking rights away from men, they'll just respond with "Actually, everyone who is in favour of this law is also in favour of women getting a vasectomy".

How many of YOUR rights are you willing to give up to ensure that non viable fetuses are forced on unwanting hosts?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Actually, I am quite sure everyone who is against abortion also want men to not be able to have abortions as well. Your attempt to denigrate others has failed miserably.

Either you play daft or you don't get that men can just say no to fatherhood, sure they might get sued and have to pay for it but they can still legally say they have no child until they recognize they have one.

Now people like you and me are not like them, but there are those out there who are like that and it's not a denigration of those of us who are not, it's just an explanation that happens to be true.

You've lost your sight in this debate though, and so i'll end this exchange with this post.,

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Seriously, don't want an abortion, don't have one.

It's that fucking simple and if you think you get to decide over a womans uterus you are fucking INSANE!

That said, 25 weeks is plenty enough time and before that the fetus has as much of a conscience as a golf ball.

 

[Muse]

We just need to infect the poor with a disease that makes them all impotent. What could possibly go wrong with that?

It's called sterilization, sounds like a Nazi experiment. The 3rd Reich worked out great.

The Dead Kennedys had a song about it on their first album, "Kill the Poor"

 

[Muse]

Seriously, don't want an abortion, don't have one.

It's that fucking simple and if you think you get to decide over a womans uterus you are fucking INSANE!

That said, 25 weeks is plenty enough time and before that the fetus has as much of a conscience as a golf ball.

You're a man after my heart, John, at least here.