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I must be the only person who likes Matrix Reloaded more

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The third was just killing everyone. Got gory.

And Morpheus was reduced to being a wingman on the ship. From wise sage to fetch my coffee.

The second had so much interesting potential.

Meh, the potential is always the best. The same thing happened in the star wars movies. Empire was amazing. Return was okay.
 
Loved Reloaded. I watched the Matrix not for its story, but for kick ass special effects. and on that count I think Reloaded really delivers. The first's story is much better, but that would be like watching Transformers for the story.
 
karmypolitics said:
than the first movie.

Basically, all first movies spend a lot of time doing introductions. All second acts really take the plot somewhere.
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Where does it take the plot? To me it seemed like they carefully choreographed each fight scene to look that way rather than two people trying to hit each other, then they thought, "Hmm, there needs to be some plot in this movie!". Someone tells the trio they need to find the keymaker, check! Keymaker says "here's a key, go through this door", check! Wow, mind-blowingly original stuff. Admittedly Matrix 1 wasn't that original, but 2 and 3 may as well be example plots from the script-writing handbook in terms of originality.

Neo becoming superhuman in the real world destroyed any possibility of creating any uncertainty or tension in the third movie, and even at the end of the third movie, it makes no sense.

To any budding script-writers out there, if you have a character with unusual powers, don't constantly put them in comfort situations that require the use of their powers to get out of said scrape. Neo should have been primarily under threat in the real world, where he doesn't have any powers. I'm just wondering whether Neo became a Mary Sue in Matrix 2 and 3, no negative personality traits whatsoever (in fact, no character development at all).
 
Mr. Pedantic said:
Loved Reloaded. I watched the Matrix not for its story, but for kick ass special effects. and on that count I think Reloaded really delivers. The first's story is much better, but that would be like watching Transformers for the story.
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It always amazes me when there's an implication that someone would want to watch a movie "for the special effects". Does this enjoyment make Star Wars Episode 1 watchable?
 
Why would anyone prefer the third to the second?

In the second, we have Neo fighting with those agents, with the ghosts, we have that highway scene with Morpheus Vs Smith on an exploding truck, etc etc.

In the third one, we have Niobe. Niobe! Who the EFF gives a shit about her? Oh and that little kid who carries the ammo to those mech things. The only in-Matrix fight scene is between Smith and Neo. Yes its epic except for the fact Neo loses.

It totally sucks giant donkey balls!
 
Mr. Pedantic said:
Loved Reloaded. I watched the Matrix not for its story, but for kick ass special effects. and on that count I think Reloaded really delivers. The first's story is much better, but that would be like watching Transformers for the story.
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I think I'm going to have to go murder a baby to make myself feel better after reading this post...







[no babies were harmed in the creation of this post]
 
Ancalagon44 said:
Why would anyone prefer the third to the second?

In the second, we have Neo fighting with those agents, with the ghosts, we have that highway scene with Morpheus Vs Smith on an exploding truck, etc etc.
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exactly: hence--the worst piece of buttshit dumbass filmmaking ever. terrible, horribly edited scenes, bad choreography, and does nothing to advance the story. lazy ass bullshit to appease idiots.

oh, you forget the pointless 5 minute rave in the cave, and the pointless running around a pole and kicking 800,000 agent smiths for no god damn fucking reason for fucking 10 minutes.

what a horrid abortion on celluloid.
 
zinfamous said:
exactly: hence--the worst piece of buttshit dumbass filmmaking ever. terrible, horribly edited scenes, bad choreography, and does nothing to advance the story. lazy ass bullshit to appease idiots.

oh, you forget the pointless 5 minute rave in the cave, and the pointless running around a pole and kicking 800,000 agent smiths for no god damn fucking reason for fucking 10 minutes.

what a horrid abortion on celluloid.
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So you would rather watch Niobe save the world, Neo get effed up, and a little kid bring ammo to some fighting mechs? Oh and that other lady who carried and fired a missile launcher to bring down a drill. With absolutely no more philosophy or anything interesting than the second movie.

Both the second and third movies are still action movies at heart, with little to no plot. Its just that the plot in the second movie made a lot more sense, and the action is a lot better.

I mean come on, Trinity threatens the Merovingian and he just lets Neo go! What the hell?
 
i rank the 2 and 3rd movies with the 2nd transformers movie and terminator salvation. Op, you must be on crack
 
There's a well written article about it on A.V Club here:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/defending-the-matrix-sequels,63648/

"Some products of popular culture become unassailable parts of the canon (think Citizen Kane or The Wire); others develop a reputation for being so odious that none dare speak on their behalf. In Down Is Up, The A.V. Club attempts to explain why it isn’t entirely crazy to go against conventional wisdom. First up: The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions, the two widely derided sequels to the 1999 science-fiction/action classic The Matrix..."
 
Mr. Pedantic said:
Loved Reloaded. I watched the Matrix not for its story, but for kick ass special effects. and on that count I think Reloaded really delivers. The first's story is much better, but that would be like watching Transformers for the story.
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The special effects were the worst part of Reloaded, and considering how bad the rest was, that's saying something. The accordion trucks, flying magnetic Neo, Trinity bullet time fall, the million smith Neo pole dance, the "twins", the other stupid ones that I've thankfully forgotten.

Just awful.

I did not watch the first one for the special effects. I watched it for the sum total of its parts. I actually didn't really like plenty of the special effects from the first one (Neo and the Agents dodging bullets, most of the stuff involving the ship, the "white space warehouse"). There were only a few special effects that really did much for me in the first film, and that was the helicopter "drop" explosion, and well that's the only one I can think of off the top of my head. The best part is that a lot of the best parts were not special effects even though they looked like it (the lobby scene for instance, or the trap scene). At least not in the "CGI Everything!!!!" style that the 2nd film went for way too much, which makes the scenes look like shit and take you out of the film.

Let's pause to look at what some computer animator was capable of in 2002. No thanks.

zinfamous said:
exactly: hence--the worst piece of buttshit dumbass filmmaking ever. terrible, horribly edited scenes, bad choreography, and does nothing to advance the story. lazy ass bullshit to appease idiots.

oh, you forget the pointless 5 minute rave in the cave, and the pointless running around a pole and kicking 800,000 agent smiths for no god damn fucking reason for fucking 10 minutes.

what a horrid abortion on celluloid.
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This.

Ancalagon44 said:
So you would rather watch Niobe save the world, Neo get effed up, and a little kid bring ammo to some fighting mechs? Oh and that other lady who carried and fired a missile launcher to bring down a drill. With absolutely no more philosophy or anything interesting than the second movie.

Both the second and third movies are still action movies at heart, with little to no plot. Its just that the plot in the second movie made a lot more sense, and the action is a lot better.

I mean come on, Trinity threatens the Merovingian and he just lets Neo go! What the hell?
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I preferred all of that to anything and everything from the 2nd one. Don't get me wrong, I, and I'm pretty sure Zinfamous feels likewise, am not saying the 3rd one is good. It most certainly is not.

I wish Plunkett or whatever his name is would review the Matrix sequels.
 
I love how zinfamous ALWAYS goes over-the-top whenever the Matrix trilogy is brought up on here, never fails to shows how baseless and retarded his jaded hate for the movies are, just reading all the words he likes to pull out of his ass to bash it makes me laugh like no Seinfeld show ever could. I concluded a while ago that he was stood up on blind dates where one of them was the agreed upon movie or something like this, it's the only way I can make sense of his hate. Let me get this straight, of all the ridiculous nonesense that masquerades as motion pictures these days, the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies are the WORST! Yup, not Ghost Rider, not the Chipmunks, the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies trump them, have no story and use scenes like cave raves and CGI fights for no reason whatsoever. I'd love to see a list of the movies you like so I can pick those apart with things I don't like about them and treat it as accepted gospel.
 
BrokenVisage said:
I love how zinfamous ALWAYS goes over-the-top whenever the Matrix trilogy is brought up on here, never fails to shows how baseless and retarded his jaded hate for the movies are, just reading all the words he likes to pull out of his ass to bash it makes me laugh like no Seinfeld show ever could. I concluded a while ago that he was stood up on blind dates where one of them was the agreed upon movie or something like this, it's the only way I can make sense of his hate. Let me get this straight, of all the ridiculous nonesense that masquerades as motion pictures these days, the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies are the WORST! Yup, not Ghost Rider, not the Chipmunks, the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies trump them, have no story and use scenes like cave raves and CGI fights for no reason whatsoever. I'd love to see a list of the movies you like so I can pick those apart with things I don't like about them and treat it as accepted gospel.
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It's not that the second and third Matrix films were bad in a Nick Cage "Ghost Rider" sort of way, but they were a huge letdown from the first.
 
Joseph F said:
It's not that the second and third Matrix films were bad in a Nick Cage "Ghost Rider" sort of way, but they were a huge letdown from the first.
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I agree totally it was a letdown, but almost anything was going to be a letdown. The Matrix had a perfect beginning, middle and end, it wasn't written to birth any sequels, but this is what happens to movies that get popular and exhude the possibility to make money. Quality aside, as a big Matrix fan I liked that they expanded the story of Zion and the Machine World, and to their credit they came up with a deep and fascinating story that maybe had too much symbolism and too little substance, but I enjoyed the execution of anyway.
 
Reloaded had one of the best car chase scene's of all time. Not as good overall as the first, but and excellent movie. The 3rd one was just horrible. Making the majority of the movie outside of the Matrix was a bad idea.
 
zinfamous said:
exactly: hence--the worst piece of buttshit dumbass filmmaking ever. terrible, horribly edited scenes, bad choreography, and does nothing to advance the story. lazy ass bullshit to appease idiots.

oh, you forget the pointless 5 minute rave in the cave, and the pointless running around a pole and kicking 800,000 agent smiths for no god damn fucking reason for fucking 10 minutes.

what a horrid abortion on celluloid.
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you forgot to mention the architect. CONCORDENTLY.
 
Via said:
But, logically, Morpheus' role had to be reduced, didn't it? Initially he's the mentor, but after he trains him he gives way to the "one".
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Then just kill him off or something to move the story forward, instead of miring the movie in stagnant characters. At least in Star Wars, important people die throughout the trilogy.
 
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