I love being a tech-savvy parent >:D

[Red Storm]

Except she was acting like a "convict" when she thought he wouldn't find out.

That's on her, not her parents.

That's a part of growing up, we push the boundaries, see why all these rules matter. Instead of trying to educate his daughter and communicate with her, he just goes behind her back and starts tracking her location. One method promotes communication, grows the bond between parent and child, and shows respect. The other does the opposite. Doubly so because he didn't just track her, he then lied to her about how he did it to keep her paranoid. It's not just bad parenting, it's lazy too.

 

[Tweak155]

Most definitely, but lying to your kids just leads to them lying in return. Secretly spying on them will only lessen their respect for you. It's just a terrible way to treat someone you love.

I agree I don't think Fritzo shouldn't have lied in return (as I've stated previously), but I'm not going to judge him because I don't know his situation other than he is a parent. I can suggest not lying but that is all, I shouldn't call him completely wrong for doing so.

 

[Red Storm]

I agree I don't think Fritzo shouldn't have lied in return (as I've stated previously), but I'm not going to judge him because I don't know his situation other than he is a parent. I can suggest not lying but that is all, I shouldn't call him completely wrong for doing so.

Yeah it's his call, there's no single way to do things right. I just got irked cause he seems proud of lying to his kid and her being paranoid about not knowing how he tracked her.

 

[Vdubchaos]

I will let you think about the words you said, and give you an opportunity to clarify your statement so that you don't sound quite so stupid.

You do realize, you are stating that bringing a baby into the world (one of the easiest things a human can accomplish on this planet), then provides free reign to do ANYTHING they want, free of judgement?

Again, are you really certain you want to make such a stupid statement?

To you it's "Bringing child into the world"

To me it's "having experience being a parent". And no that doesn't mean Infant years or even Toddler years......it takes time and experience to get to that point.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

To you it's "Bringing child into the world"

To me it's "having experience being a parent". And no that doesn't mean Infant years or even Toddler years......it takes time and experience to get to that point.

You can make it whatever you want it to be. My point has nothing to do with your subjective interpretation of parent.

If it makes you more inclined to answer, why are you saying that those who raise children at ages (quoting you) beyond toddler years, are therefore able to take actions that are free from judgement from anyone who is not a parent?

I'm not sure why you are not comprehending the severe flaw in your logic (or lack of it), but I'm going to give you another chance.

 

[Tweak155]

You can make it whatever you want it to be. My point has nothing to do with your subjective interpretation of parent.

If it makes you more inclined to answer, why are you saying that those who raise children at ages (quoting you) beyond toddler years, are therefore able to take actions that are free from judgement from anyone who is not a parent?

I'm not sure why you are not comprehending the severe flaw in your logic (or lack of it), but I'm going to give you another chance.

Then you start weighing in years experience. 16yo daughter means 16 years experience. You really need to try to be so staunch about this.

EDIT:

Also even if you have 16yrs experience, you don't have it with THEIR daughter. In other words, you can't really judge on a matter like this. It isn't as black as white as him shooting his own daughter.

One would hope though that with 16yrs experience you understand STUFF happens. And you can't understand everyone else's STUFF, just your own. So you become more understanding of the situation.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

No, he is NOT saying that at all. He is saying, you have no right to criticize unless you've walked a parent's shoes.

Fortunately, we don't have to guess, we have his quote right here:

Until you are a parent, don't EVER judge another parent.

EVER

You will not know why and I will never be able to explain to you why UNTIL you are a parent. You will just have to trust me on that.

No matter how you try to twist that rasc, there is no way that is statement makes the limits you have given. You are interpreting his statement in your own way.

 

[Remobz]

Those "tracking" options are not available here. It comes down to trust and how you raise your child here.

 

[Phoenix86]

No, he is NOT saying that at all. He is saying, you have no right to criticize unless you've walked a parent's shoes.

Which is also retarded.

Parent beats child. Person w/o child can't criticize that?

Blanket statements rarely hold water and a smart comment or criticism shouldn't be ignored regardless of it's source.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Then you start weighing in years experience. 16yo daughter means 16 years experience. You really need to try to be so staunch about this.

EDIT:

Also even if you have 16yrs experience, you don't have it with THEIR daughter. In other words, you can't really judge on a matter like this. It isn't as black as white as him shooting his own daughter.

One would hope though that with 16yrs experience you understand STUFF happens. And you can't understand everyone else's STUFF, just your own. So you become more understanding of the situation.

What is it about parents that makes them free of judgement? Is it law? Is it culture? Is it this unspoken rule that parents somehow have omniscient oversight into what's best for their children?

Should Casey Anthony be without judgment? How about Tom Bonny? Surely he must have had good reason. How about the parents of thee 1000+ children who are killed every year by them in the United States? Surely there must be some rationality that us non-parents couldn't possibly begin to comprehend!

Educate me on the secret sauce that renders parents free from all judgement.

 

[Tweak155]

What is it about parents that makes them free of judgement? Is it law? Is it culture? Is it this unspoken rule that parents somehow have omniscient oversight into what's best for their children?

Should Casey Anthony be without judgment? How about Tom Bonny? Surely he must have had good reason. How about the parents of thee 1000+ children who are killed every year by them in the United States? Surely there must be some rationality that us non-parents couldn't possibly begin to comprehend!

Educate me on the secret sauce that renders parents free from all judgement.

How you translate what I said to free of judgement is beyond my grasp. I never said they were free from judgement.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

How you translate what I said to free of judgement is beyond my grasp. I never said they were free from judgement.

Because you decided to interject on a conversation directed towards vDub regarding the following statement:

Until you are a parent, don't EVER judge another parent.

EVER

You will not know why and I will never be able to explain to you why UNTIL you are a parent. You will just have to trust me on that.

I only have to go on what is provided me. You can't just change the subject and expect everyone to follow you. You quoted my post:

You can make it whatever you want it to be. My point has nothing to do with your subjective interpretation of parent.

If it makes you more inclined to answer, why are you saying that those who raise children at ages (quoting you) beyond toddler years, are therefore able to take actions that are free from judgement from anyone who is not a parent?

I'm not sure why you are not comprehending the severe flaw in your logic (or lack of it), but I'm going to give you another chance.

Emphasis further provided by me. If you answered the wrong question, that's not my fault. If you thought I was talking about something else (when it was clearly spelled out in my post), that's not my fault either.

 

[Tweak155]

Because you decided to interject on a conversation directed towards vDub regarding the following statement:



I only have to go on what is provided me. You can't just change the subject and expect everyone to follow you. You quoted my post:



Emphasis further provided by me. If you answered the wrong question, that's not my fault. If you thought I was talking about something else (when it was clearly spelled out in my post), that's not my fault either.

Fair enough. My mistake. Yeah, he possibly shouldn't have worded it that way, but I think you are taking it to an extreme. Ultimately he was too direct, though.

 

[reallyscrued]

That's a part of growing up, we push the boundaries, see why all these rules matter. Instead of trying to educate his daughter and communicate with her, he just goes behind her back and starts tracking her location. One method promotes communication, grows the bond between parent and child, and shows respect. The other does the opposite. Doubly so because he didn't just track her, he then lied to her about how he did it to keep her paranoid. It's not just bad parenting, it's lazy too.

My heart goes to out to all the kids and all the future kids who will have parents like this.

This thread leaves me with no words; I had no idea on such a (supposedly) open-minded forum that always screams for individual rights and privacy that so many of you would be absolutely comfortable in outright spying on your children.

I've heard so many things like "I'm glad I got beat or disciplined as a child" because a lot of people would agree that might, in some sick, twisted way, build character, but I don't think I've ever heard "I'm glad my mom/dad spied on me as a child".

 

[MrPickins]

I love reading this thread. It's painfully obvious to see the division between the "haves" and the "have-not's".

As in the "I have kids" and the "I have not had kids". :biggrin:

I think it's more that you can easily tell which posters are still children. :hmm:

 

[Paladin3]

My heart goes to out to all the kids and all the future kids who will have parents like this.

This thread leaves me with no words; I had no idea on such a (supposedly) open-minded forum that always screams for individual rights and privacy that so many of you would be absolutely comfortable in outright spying on your children.

I've heard so many things like "I'm glad I got beat or disciplined as a child" because a lot of people would agree that might, in some sick, twisted way, build character, but I don't think I've ever heard "I'm glad my mom/dad spied on me as a child".

I'm not sure it should be called spying. Any responsible parent should know what their kids are doing, especially during their teen years when they are experiencing their first taste of freedom and still have rather poor decision making skills. If the parent feels that necessitates a tracker on their phone, I'm not sure that's a major human rights violation.

Individual rights and privacy are earned by being a responsible and productive member of society. Teens haven't earned shit yet, and their parents still bear most of the responsibility for their mistakes. Letting them learn from their mistakes is good, but it's better to be proactive and help them not make those real serious, life changing mistakes.

 

[blankslate]

Yeah... if she's smart, she'll have a tech savvy friend check her phone and remove the tracking software. Then she'll go party in Atlantic City to celebrate

No she'll offer up her body for all the dirty fantasies the tech savvy friend has ever had... now we all know how dirty those can get... then get another phone that the parents can't track.

Then next time she'll leave the tracked at a certain place when ever she goes out on her versions of rumpshpringa.

It'll be set up so that when they call the tracked phone she'll be able to answer on her bought with dirty deeds done repeatedly and so illicitly deliciously willingly phone. Oh and the tech savvy person will probably be younger than the daughter.

Congratulations the daughter learned how to trade her body for personal gain.

 

[OlafSicky]

No car, phone, ipad, and Macbook for a week. Going 30 miles away from where you are supposed to be is kind of a big deal. If we didn't have tracking and she drove into a ditch somewhere, we would never find her.



She uses my car. She's only 16 and didn't get home until nearly 12:30am. We have a curfew law saying anyone under 18 can not be out without a parent/guardian after 12am.

Narc on her a night in jail would do her more good than a week without an ipad. Every year there is some horror story in every hs about a group of kids in a car dying. There have been two accidents like this near me 2 cards filled with kids each time gone. If that was my kid I would have taken the car away until she finished hs. My friend did that to his son.

 

[OutHouse]

I feel sorry for kids whose parents happily lie to and spy on them in secret. If you have to resort to such extremes then something went wrong during parenting. How do you expect your kids to fully trust you and be open with you if you treat them like convicts?

stfu. there is always one ass clown who thinks he knows better. you are that ass clown.

 

[Rakehellion]

That's a part of growing up, we push the boundaries, see why all these rules matter. Instead of trying to educate his daughter and communicate with her, he just goes behind her back and starts tracking her location. One method promotes communication, grows the bond between parent and child, and shows respect. The other does the opposite. Doubly so because he didn't just track her, he then lied to her about how he did it to keep her paranoid. It's not just bad parenting, it's lazy too.

Yeah, he must have had bad parents.

 

[OutHouse]

I'm not sure it should be called spying. Any responsible parent should know what their kids are doing, especially during their teen years when they are experiencing their first taste of freedom and still have rather poor decision making skills. If the parent feels that necessitates a tracker on their phone, I'm not sure that's a major human rights violation.

Individual rights and privacy are earned by being a responsible and productive member of society. Teens haven't earned shit yet, and their parents still bear most of the responsibility for their mistakes. Letting them learn from their mistakes is good, but it's better to be proactive and help them not make those real serious, life changing mistakes.

yup.

 

[Red Storm]

I'm not sure it should be called spying. Any responsible parent should know what their kids are doing, especially during their teen years when they are experiencing their first taste of freedom and still have rather poor decision making skills. If the parent feels that necessitates a tracker on their phone, I'm not sure that's a major human rights violation.

Individual rights and privacy are earned by being a responsible and productive member of society. Teens haven't earned shit yet, and their parents still bear most of the responsibility for their mistakes. Letting them learn from their mistakes is good, but it's better to be proactive and help them not make those real serious, life changing mistakes.

When you do it secretly without them knowing, it's spying. When you tell them you can track them to make them paranoid and fearful but lie about how you actually do it, it's even more pathetic.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

What kinds of Asian porn? Japanese porn, American-born Los Angeles porn, Thai streetwhore porn?

 

[lxskllr]

Individual rights and privacy are earned by being a responsible and productive member of society.

Hmm... That doesn't sound like a right. A right that has to be earned is a privilege, and privileges can be taken as easily as they're given.

 

[Chrono]

Ground her for life!