I love being a tech-savvy parent >:D

[SheHateMe]

No offense but you're "grounding" her for lying yet you lied to her too. Not really a good way to go about it if you ask me.



Typical "no I'm not but I know" responses. You really can't judge a situation until you're in it, no matter how much you think you know. This is how teenagers think until they hit their 30's + and realize they don't know jack.

Right, because the OP's daughter is the only teen on earth to be out past curfew and who has lied about her whereabouts.

 

[Jeff7]

But even with all that, you still won't be able to tell how many dudes are trying to tap that a$$ at the party she is at.

Some phones do have accelerometers in them....

"0.9Hz impulse detected along z-axis. Text alert sent."

No offense but you're "grounding" her for lying yet you lied to her too. Not really a good way to go about it if you ask me.
...

The rules between kids and parents don't necessarily have to work the same in either direction. From the very start, the parent has amazing, mystical abilities, such as how to reach things that are high off the ground, or make a nose disappear, or produce a seemingly infinite supply of food from the refrigerator.
Fritzo's level-up skill is the ability to track someone.


Time for a subdermal tag next though, once she figures out it's the phone. Or if she uncovers your secret online identity.




Of course, on the topic of constant surveillance....well, that's not always pleasant either. That can progress too far, such as to the point where picking your nose in public can be made illegal simply because it becomes technologically possible to track.
Constant surveillance can certainly go too far.

Until you are a parent, don't EVER judge another parent.

EVER

You will not know why and I will never be able to explain to you why UNTIL you are a parent. You will just have to trust me on that.

Sort of a side topic...but, a simple question: Why not?

"Doc, aren't you supposed to wash your hands thoroughly after doing an autopsy?"

"Are you a doctor?"

"No."

"Then don't you EVER question a doctor, got it?"


Someone without kids may:
1) Have family experience which is quite relevant.
2) Have a sense of empathy and care for other people. (Ok, so you've had kids. Want a medal now? Sure it might feel like you deserve one sometimes, as it can indeed be quite difficult and trying, but....raising kids is nothing that's at all unique. Billions of people have done it before you.)
3) Have an objective viewpoint that's not influenced by direct emotional involvement, and this can sometimes lead to very practical solutions.

 

[Tweak155]

Right, because the OP's daughter is the only teen on earth to be out past curfew and who has lied about her whereabouts.

Sigh. I'm tempted not to respond but it seems I prefer a beating.

You're juding from one situation aka you don't know anything. Since you know everything, how did the daughter respond? What conversations lead up to this reaction? What is Fritzo currently thinking? These should be simple answers for you, since you know everything from this one post.

 

[sixone]

Right, because the OP's daughter is the only teen on earth to be out past curfew and who has lied about her whereabouts.

You're acting as though she's the only one who's ever been punished for breaking rules and telling lies. She's not.

She broke the rules, and now she gets the consequences. That's how life works.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Right, because the OP's daughter is the only teen on earth to be out past curfew and who has lied about her whereabouts.

No she isn't, there is millions.

There is also MILLIONS of shitty parents.

Get it?

 

[Zstream]

You're acting as though she's the only one who's ever been punished for breaking rules and telling lies. She's not.

She broke the rules, and now she gets the consequences. That's how life works.

Uh no, you didn't!

 

[lxskllr]

Of course, on the topic of constant surveillance....well, that's not always pleasant either. That can progress too far, such as to the point where picking your nose in public can be made illegal simply because it becomes technologically possible to track.
Constant surveillance can certainly go too far.

I've tried to teach my daughter, but she's shown no interest. I'm disappointed really. She has no idea what's on her phone, or the implications of her online activities. Oh well. It's my job to teach, but it can't(shouldn't) be forced. People have to make their own mistakes.

 

[SheHateMe]

You're acting as though she's the only one who's ever been punished for breaking rules and telling lies. She's not.

She broke the rules, and now she gets the consequences. That's how life works.

Its not about whether or not she got punished. I responded to people in this thread saying that you can't have an opinion about someone's parenting because you aren't a parent.

As if none of us even did what the OP's daughter did as a teen.

 

[Vdubchaos]

I've tried to teach my daughter, but she's shown no interest. I'm disappointed really. She has no idea what's on her phone, or the implications of her online activities. Oh well. It's my job to teach, but it can't(shouldn't) be forced. People have to make their own mistakes.

a) her brain is not programed to be taught by a parent right now (but you do have to keep trying). Don't be disappointed, when they push you away the most.....is when they NEED you the most.

b) You just have to keep disciplining her/teaching her and hope for the best. Yes, at the end of the day they do have to learn the hard way, but that doesn't mean you just step back and watch.

 

[Fritzo]

A good question.

OP mentioned driving experience... two years makes a difference at that age, but I'm curious if he'll stop tracking her then. If she's still driving his car, dependence comes with strings attached.

So OP, does this sort of parenting end at 18, even if it's your car, if she still lived at home while going to college? Guess we're curious as to where the line is drawn and maybe why.

As she gets older, she'll get more freedoms. Life changes drastically between 16 and 18. She a new driver, naive about a lot of things, and needs supervision because she's doing something that could kill her or other people if not done properly. Once she's more experienced it won't be such a worry.

 

[SlitheryDee]

No offense but I'm thinking you would be a terrible parent. One that would probably advocate condom/abortion, drugs, buying alcohol for a party while the child is under 18 all in the name of gaining trust/friendship with your kids?

What's wrong with condoms? I have no problem with abortions either, but I can see how someone else would. Condoms though...

 

[Spungo]

That's....really not trust at all

What if you put a tracking device on the car but don't check the tracking device unless something is wrong such as them being late?

That'll be my plan. Trust them until they screw up. Then I check the video, the microphone, the gps stats, etc. You crashed my car because you were getting a blow job while driving? Your punishment is that this tape will be given to your girlfriend's dad. I'll let him deal with you.

 

[Tweak155]

The rules between kids and parents don't necessarily have to work the same in either direction. From the very start, the parent has amazing, mystical abilities, such as how to reach things that are high off the ground, or make a nose disappear, or produce a seemingly infinite supply of food from the refrigerator.
Fritzo's level-up skill is the ability to track someone.

This is why I followed up with it being my opinion. To me, if I wanted to learn something from someone, I expect them to be the role model of said topic. A parent can't demand respect without being respectful.

 

[SheHateMe]

No offense but I'm thinking you would be a terrible parent. One that would probably advocate condom/abortion, drugs, buying alcohol for a party while the child is under 18 all in the name of gaining trust/friendship with your kids?

hahaha

Okay.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Its not about whether or not she got punished. I responded to people in this thread saying that you can't have an opinion about someone's parenting because you aren't a parent.

As if none of us even did what the OP's daughter did as a teen.

There is a BIG difference between giving advice and being judgmental.

You were being judgmental.

There is people on this forum that are NOT parents and give some amazing advice (you are not one of them).

 

[lxskllr]

a) her brain is not programed to be taught by a parent right now (but you do have to keep trying). Don't be disappointed, when they push you away the most.....is when they NEED you the most.

She's just not technically inclined. I've GIVEN her the tools to avoid surveillance, and that includes surveillance by me, but there's no interest in trying. She falls back to the stuff her idiot friends use. My disappointment is twofold. First is her not taking an interest in computers, and her privacy/security, and second is for being a follower, and not a leader. Any retard can do what everyone else does. She should be making people bend to her will.

 

[SunnyD]

I love reading this thread. It's painfully obvious to see the division between the "haves" and the "have-not's".

As in the "I have kids" and the "I have not had kids". :biggrin:

I approve of the OP's use of this technology for combating what is a frequent repeat offense of a given privilege with stipulations. For those of you that are yelling "ZOMG HELICOPTAR PARENTZ!!!!" Go read the OP again. Twice.

 

[sixone]

Its not about whether or not she got punished. I responded to people in this thread saying that you can't have an opinion about someone's parenting because you aren't a parent.

As if none of us even did what the OP's daughter did as a teen.

Sure we did. That's how we know what good parents do. Good parents don't sit at home and wait for the police to call.

 

[Tweak155]

There is a BIG difference between giving advice and being judgmental.

You were being judgmental.

There is people on this forum that are NOT parents and give some amazing advice (you are not one of them).

LOL! Wow that was right timing I guess.

 

[waggy]

I wouldn't have grounded her. i agree with those that said you played your hand to early. still bust her for coming home late. that is something that would earn 1 week grounding.

I trust my daughter (wich is why i allow her to go places) but i also know how kids are. i have the right and hell duty to make sure she is where she is supposed to be (yes they will lie and sneak around).

if my kids have a phone they know that if i ask to read the text i get to. of course my 2 oldest are 20 and 10. one is old enough to make her own mistakes and the other is to young yet to make to bad ones.

those bitching about him worrying about his kid, and doing something to keep her safe are insane. More parents need to be involved in the child's life.

 

[waggy]

What if you put a tracking device on the car but don't check the tracking device unless something is wrong such as them being late?

That'll be my plan. Trust them until they screw up. Then I check the video, the microphone, the gps stats, etc. You crashed my car because you were getting a blow job while driving? Your punishment is that this tape will be given to your girlfriend's dad. I'll let him deal with you.

/this

i like it.

 

[SheHateMe]

Sure we did. That's how we know what good parents do. Good parents don't sit at home and wait for the police to call.

If she was already lying to him before and staying out past curfew...why did he continue to let her drive his car?

He said she was a new driver and needed to learn how to operate a car because it could kill her or someone else...yet, she is allowed to drive unsupervised.


OP created his own problems. If you don't trust her with the car, don't let her drive.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Getting home later than her established curfew is BS - but she did call ahead of time saying she would be late. So she gets bonus points for being proactive.

Grounding a 16yr old is just stupid. Have a conversation with them, explain to them why they cant do the things they do and let it go. If it continues to be a problem, yank her keys - but no Ipad for a week is juvenile in nature.

*Father of a teenage girl

 

[waggy]

If she was already lying to him before and staying out past curfew...why did he continue to let her drive his car?

He said she was a new driver and needed to learn how to operate a car because it could kill her or someone else...yet, she is allowed to drive unsupervised.


OP created his own problems. If you don't trust her with the car, don't let her drive.

err..that's idiotic.

Trust is one thing. but blind trust is another. you seem to be all for that.

she needs to learn to drive. only way a person gets good is more driving. Allow her to go and show that she deserves it (she did blow that).

 

[Vdubchaos]

She's just not technically inclined. I've GIVEN her the tools to avoid surveillance, and that includes surveillance by me, but there's no interest in trying. She falls back to the stuff her idiot friends use. My disappointment is twofold. First is her not taking an interest in computers, and her privacy/security, and second is for being a follower, and not a leader. Any retard can do what everyone else does. She should be making people bend to her will.

Don't worry, you are NOT the only one. I feel the same way!!! But it is improving with more effort/time wife and I dedicate to our daughter.

Keep doing your best and don't give up!!