I live in a country that puts babies in cages

[UNCjigga]

Was this happening under the Obama administration?

Kids being separated from parents and detained separately, yes, to some extent. Not for longer than 72 hours. Either way, it was a bad policy then, but I don't recall Obama asking his AG to have a "zero tolerance" policy for ALL who pass thru the border (including asylum seekers). Nor do I recall Obama asking ICE to force the separation in order to dissuade illegals or asylum seekers from crossing the border. Again, the reason why they are running out of space is due to Trump's zero thought, zero tolerance policy.

 

[JSt0rm]

Thanks Obama, love the kids (Fathers Day 2014).

source of your photo?

 

[dank69]

Where was this outrage when the Obama administration was doing it?

Do you think anyone from the Trump administration is actually "doing" these things? Do you think anyone from the Obama administration was "doing" these things? Your problem is you misunderstand the issue at a fundamental level.

 

[pauldun170]

source of your photo?

https://www.apnews.com/d110c36836ab4003ad77396025616f04

 

[Noah Abrams]

How many babies were murdered during the decent man Obama presidency? Blown to bits, nothing left of them. No we don’t even keep count. There were writeups in magazines titled “The Lethal Presidency of Barack Obama”

So a bus full of car seats is causing the latest outrage on the left? Ok.

 

[dank69]

Let's get down to brass tacks then. Should aliens who would otherwise face deportation be simply let go if they come accompanied by children? If not, do you think we should not restrain those facing deportation hearings? If not, should we allow their minor children to be co-mingled with them and other potentially dangerous adults? Or is your policy that we should pay for Hilton Hotel type accommodations for illegal aliens and their families while awaiting deportation, complete no doubt with indoor pool and room service?

This is why it's hard to even take your type seriously, if you would just be honest about things and say you want open borders and to not enforce our immigration laws it would greatly simplify the conversation.

I told you you wouldn't like it. I do believe we should be progressing towards a one world government and stop pretending that people are different depending upon which patch of soil they entered the world.

 

[Moonbeam]

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/illegal-immigrant-cages-bus-for-babies-lost-children/


So much on the left is based on misinformation, outright lies, myths, distortions, things taken out of context, and willingly hypocrisy.

There's plenty to bash Trump over, he's easily the worst president ever. But the media and dipshit leftists simply didn't GIVE A SHIT about any of this kind of stuff when it was Obama. And they don't really give a shit now... even as they blame Trump for Obama era stuff!

I want to see those same cries for trails for the Obama admin. Go ahead hypocrites! Lets hear 'em.

Is it a myth that Trump ordered children to be separated from their parents? Can you show me where Obama gave such an order? You don't see a whole new level of subhuman deterrence being acted out here? What kind of morality do you have that your response to something this vile is to point to somebody else asking where were you then? Where are you now? Is there some time other than now in which you can act?

 

[dank69]

It seems you missed the point Moonbeam was trying to make

This is very likely. He operates at a level that is probably far above mine. However, while he seems to be at a loss as to what can be done to wake the machines up from their slumber I have decided to give my own theory a try. Instead of trying to fight the anti-liberal sentiment with reason, evidence or facts, things we know don't work and often just make things worse, I will instead just amplify every anti-liberal post I encounter to make sure the originator fully understands what they are saying. Of course, this theory has a high probability of failure as well because nobody likes to look at themselves in the mirror, so my amplification will be characterized as building straw men. Oh well. I still believe we will make no progress until all of America confronts the reality that they have been conditioned to hate liberals.

 

[UNCjigga]

It would appear so although no doubt the progressives here will busily explain how "they weren't cages back then, only fenced in areas they weren't allowed to leave for their own protection." Or that Obama used "higher quality" cages perhaps.

http://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5

Or we could just read the link you provided and conclude these are photos of unaccompanied minors crossing the border alone, in temporary shelters, until family members could be found. These are not kids being forcibly separated from their parents.

I will concede that the media should have done more reporting on it at the time, as perhaps Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan would be outraged at Obama, and would have asked Congress to provide funding for better shelters and we wouldn't be in this mess.

Oh wait...they did.

It's turning into the largest influx of asylum seekers on U.S. soil since the 1980 Mariel boatlift out of Cuba.

Since October, more than 52,000 children — most from Central America and many of them unaccompanied by adults — have been taken into custody. That's nearly double last year's total and 10 times the number from 2009.

President Obama has called on Congress to supply nearly $4 billion simply to deal with the problem.

Whatever happened with that funding? Hmmm....

https://www.npr.org/2014/07/09/3298...e-latest-immigration-crisis-a-brief-explainer

Obama’s hands were tied under current law, and he even sought changes to make deportation of unaccompanied minors easier. How dare he not exercise Executive Fiat and change laws at whim!

http://time.com/2966469/obama-immigration-unaccompanied-minors/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...n-obama-deportation-children-border/11915723/

 

[Noah Abrams]

nobody likes to look at themselves in the mirror,.

That goes for you and me too, right? Are you and I not programmed machines too?

 

[dank69]

That goes for you and me too, right? Are you and I not programmed machines too?

Of course, but I have taken the step to acknowledge that about myself and actively examine as many of my decisions as possible through that lens of understanding.

 

[mect]

Progressives: Trump burned down the White House!
Conservative response: Did you not see Obama smoking in the White House? Why wasn't fire in the White House a big deal then. Hypocrites!

 

[JSt0rm]

https://www.apnews.com/d110c36836ab4003ad77396025616f04

Thats not the source of the photo. I went to that initial article and the photo has been changed. We actually have no idea the context of that photo or if those are children or if that is actually america. I used tineye to reverse search it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Progressives: Trump burned down the White House!
Conservative response: Did you not see Obama smoking in the White House? Why wasn't fire in the White House a big deal then. Hypocrites!

You understand, I hope, that the cause of such hypocrisy is to be found in the fact that we are conditioned to hate evil, but only that evil we were told we were becoming as children, and threatened about by verbal and physical intimidation. You are asking such people, all of us, to notice that what we hate in others is what we were told is wrong with us. You are asking people to see that all their hatred of the evil they see out there is who they really feel themselves to be. You can't see in others what you despise about yourself nor face the fact that all the contempt you justify giving to others is exactly what you yourself, if that hatred is proper, deserve.

I suggest, therefore, that you not hold up a monster for people to see as themselves, but instead suggest that the monster is self manufactured and not real. To have compassion for the monster out there is to have compassion for oneself. We are all the same. We hate others because we were taught to hate ourselves. We are lost if we don't understand this, doomed to a life of victim-hood and blame.

Folk like Zaap are monsters all right, but only because they were told they were as children and had to believe that lie. They are only monsters because they believe they are and they would rather believe it that remember the pain that forced them to believe that lie. They are curled in a fetal ball praying their shell protects them. They are the poorest among us. It is irrational to hope to add to their grief. They already carry more than most of us. This is why they need to excel at not knowing it.

 

[pauldun170]

Thats not the source of the photo. I went to that initial article and the photo has been changed. We actually have no idea the context of that photo or if those are children or if that is actually america. I used tineye to reverse search it.

You can simply search for when the photo originated or if you do not believe the internet you can contact the Photographer and ask him.
https://ananews.com/ap-photography-expert-coming-to-ana-convention/13014/

FILE - In this June 18, 2014 file photo, two female detainees sleep in a holding cell, as the children are separated by age group and gender, as hundreds of mostly Central American immigrant children are being processed and held at the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Nogales Placement Center in Nogales, Ariz. President Donald Trump has seized on an error by liberal activists for tweeting photos of detainees at the U.S.-Mexico border in steel cages and blamed the current administration for separating immigrant children from their parents. The photos were taken by The Associated Press in 2014, when President Barack Obama was in office. (AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin, Pool)

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/...to-handle-onslaught-of-children-crossers.html
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/country-lost-kids
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shelters-for-child-border-crossers-arent-all-government-run/

 

[Moonbeam]

Sadly I have run out of empathy for machines that have no desire to escape their programming. America is desperate for solutions to many problems so long as those solutions under no circumstances come from filthy liberals. In fact, if a filthy liberal proposes anything, the exact opposite is obviously the best course of action.

I wrote my two Senators and House member to have them call for Trump to be impeached for human rights violations against children, now. It seems to me to not do so is complicity.

 

[Victorian Gray]

My, my, such a raw display of emotion. Anxiety of all sorts woven together in a mishmash of thoughts that is certain to reel in the usual suspects because it's all based in feelings.

If the post is based on the linked story, the post falls apart. Right out of the gate the story, through its subtitle, says that its about unaccompanied migrant children. Anyone that needs to should look up the word 'unaccompanied'. The story then goes on to mix in feelings with some slanted reporting. The usual bullshit.

The OP wraps it up with a picture that has been proven to not be what the proggies believe it is. Oh and if it was a bus for transporting children without the car seats? Holy shit, the outrage would have been astronomical.

I have two nuggets of advice for the OP. The first is show us how serious an issue this is to you and move out of the country that you hate so much. Really make us believe. Barring that, take in as many of these unaccompanied minor children as you can. Put that misguided bleeding heart to good use. Show us how much you truly care.

Your words are accomplishing nothing. Your feelings are shortening your life.

7 Ways Anger Is Ruining Your Health

Only the unaccompanied eh?

Last April, Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions issued guidance to U.S. attorneys urging more aggressive prosecution of those illegally reentering the country. As the number of migrant families crossing illegally increased last summer, parents were detained by U.S. marshals, but their children were reclassified as unaccompanied minors and placed at shelters across the country by the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-immigrant-family-separations-2018-story.html

"Esteban Pastor hoped U.S. Border Patrol agents would free him and his 18-month-old son after they were arrested for crossing the southern border illegally last summer.

He had mortgaged his land in Guatemala to fund his sick toddler’s hospital stay, and needed to work in the United States to pay off the loan.

Instead agents imprisoned the 28-year-old in July for coming back into the country after having been deported, a felony. They placed the toddler in a federal shelter, though where, Pastor didn’t know. Three months later, in October, the father was deported — alone. His child, he said agents told him, was “somewhere in Texas.”

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...ies-separated-at-border-struggle-12938759.php

 

[Victorian Gray]

Irregardless, you should of predictated this would happen and now its a mute point.

Sorry, that should be "moot" point.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Its the liberal tears thing.

No, It seems more of a "they're just brown animals so toss 'em in a cage until we can dump them back over the border" kinda thing.

 

[Noah Abrams]

I wrote my two Senators and House member to have them call for Trump to be impeached for human rights violations against children, now. It seems to me to not do so is complicity.

It is hard sometimes to figure out whether what you wrote is meant to be taken literally, or what you wrote has another message behind it, which would be opposite to what the face value of your statement would be. This is the case here....its confusing 🙁

 

[JSt0rm]

You can simply search for when the photo originated or if you do not believe the internet you can contact the Photographer and ask him.
https://ananews.com/ap-photography-expert-coming-to-ana-convention/13014/





https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/...to-handle-onslaught-of-children-crossers.html
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/country-lost-kids
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shelters-for-child-border-crossers-arent-all-government-run/

and so do you think with trump amping up the enforcement we are just seeing an amplification of an issue we were already dealing with?

 

[Snarf Snarf]

This is why it's hard to even take your type seriously, if you would just be honest about things and say you want open borders and to not enforce our immigration laws it would greatly simplify the conversation.

Or C: we want to change immigration laws to reflect the changing needs of our country both labor and population wise, while also protecting the dignity and well being of the people attempting to enter this country all while keeping our minds open to the fact that a lot of these people are fleeing situations that US interventionist foreign policy has directly contributed to.

 

[pauldun170]

and so do you think with trump amping up the enforcement we are just seeing an amplification of an issue we were already dealing with?

Dealing with an sudden influx of refugees and being swamped due to an refugee crisis vs Trump and Co. treating any one who shows up at the border as a disease.

Hoping to stem the recent surge of migrants at the Southwest border, the Obama administration is considering whether to allow hundreds of minors and young adults from Honduras into the United States without making the dangerous trek through Mexico, according to a draft of the proposal.

If approved, the plan would direct the government to screen thousands of children and youths in Honduras to see if they can enter the United States as refugees or on emergency humanitarian grounds. It would be the first American refugee effort in a nation reachable by land to the United States, the White House said, putting the violence in Honduras on the level of humanitarian emergencies in Haiti and Vietnam, where such programs have been conducted in the past amid war and major crises.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/...ing-of-youths-seeking-entry-to-honduras-.html

On Wednesday, the Border Patrol gave reporters a first glimpse of this processing center as well as a similar one in Brownsville, Tex., both focal points in the national debate over the sudden stream of unaccompanied minors crossing illegally into the United States. From here, the children will be sent to juvenile detention facilities around the country, where efforts will be made to release them to relatives in the United States on the condition that they cooperate with deportation proceedings.

But the swelling number of arriving youths — many of them making perilous journeys to flee gang violence in their native countries — has presented the Obama administration with political and humanitarian predicaments and started to dominate the nation’s conversation over immigration reform.

Not much time to discuss the issue right now...
This issue is more than just overcrowded detention centers and rhetoric about immigration laws.

 

[JSt0rm]

so do those people have legitimate claims for asylum? And if they do is the normal process to put them in prison?

 

[Jhhnn]

It would appear so although no doubt the progressives here will busily explain how "they weren't cages back then, only fenced in areas they weren't allowed to leave for their own protection." Or that Obama used "higher quality" cages perhaps.

http://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5

In 2014 there was a deluge of unaccompanied minors at the border, kids big enough to get there on their own. That's entirely different from separating young children from their parents.

You already knew that but chose to obfuscate anyway.