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Jhhnn said:
So, I take it you'd be fine if Congress changes the definition of who's legal with a broad based amnesty?
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Again, you are trying so hard to put your own words and ideology in my mouth. Like how I am so hateful toward ILLEGALS as you claimed (I am still waiting for you and others to quote my exact words that were so hateful toward ILLEGALS).

What part of LEGALS that you do not understand? Why it is ok for million and million of LEGALS around the world waiting for years and years to do it LEGALLY but not for the ILLEGALS to do the same? Let see you and other ILLEGALS supporters give a straight answer without any spin. I would not hold my breath.
 
Svnla said:
Again, you are trying so hard to put your own words and ideology in my mouth. Like how I am so hateful toward ILLEGALS as you claimed (I am still waiting for you and others to quote my exact words that were so hateful toward ILLEGALS).

What part of LEGALS that you do not understand? Why it is ok for million and million of LEGALS around the world waiting for years and years to do it LEGALLY but not for the ILLEGALS to do the same? Let see you and other ILLEGALS supporters give a straight answer without any spin. I would not hold my breath.
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Your hatefulness towards illegals has been obvious for years.

I asked you what you'd think if Congress changes the definition of legal to include amnesty. We can do that. I see it as inevitable & positive. Your whole legal vs illegal argument would be moot.

I mean, wtf do you think- that we'll deport 11M illegals, 1M of them comprising 10% of the population of greater LA? They also have a huge presence in places like Houston, too. 2/3 of them have been here more than 10 years. They're part of us, like it or not.

Are you out of your fucking mind? Of course we won't do that. Meanwhile, ICE is busily deporting them basically at random, like sharks taking swimmers out of the surf.
 
Jhhnn said:
Your hatefulness towards illegals has been obvious for years.

I asked you what you'd think if Congress changes the definition of legal to include amnesty. We can do that. I see it as inevitable & positive. Your whole legal vs illegal argument would be moot.

I mean, wtf do you think- that we'll deport 11M illegals, 1M of them comprising 10% of the population of greater LA? They also have a huge presence in places like Houston, too. 2/3 of them have been here more than 10 years. They're part of us, like it or not.

Are you out of your fucking mind? Of course we won't do that. Meanwhile, ICE is busily deporting them basically at random, like sharks taking swimmers out of the surf.
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For years? Really? Then why don't you just cite a post or two about me being "hateful" toward ILLEGALS as you claimed repeatedly yet UNABLE to provide any evidence (in my own words, not what you "think"). Not one, nada, zip.

You asked me what Congress would do in the future yet you are still unable to provide a straight answer of why LEGALS have to wait for years and years while ILLEGALS do NOT have to. Uh huh.

Oh, the old same tired argument of "but..but..we can't deport million and million of ILLEGALS" but let more of them to come in, right? LOL. See my links about how other sovereign nations on Earth would do with ILLEGALS. Funny how none of you would dare to dispute those facts. So much hateful from them, right? Why none of those countries would let ILLEGALS do as ILLEGALS do in the US (sneak in/overstay and then demand to stay)? Hummmmm...I wonder why.

How about let start with if anyone would support ILLEGALS or hire or rent or do anything for ILLEGALS, they will have to pay heavy fines and if they do it again, they would be in jail and all of their assets would be seize by the IRS. Let do that and see how fast the ILLEGALS will have no choice but to leave. Let do that first before another huge amnesty in the name of "comprehensive immigration reform" bullshit that anyone with 1/2 a brain would be able to see.

Just like the old saying of do the same thing over and over again and expect different result = crazy/nut/stupid. Are you and the ILLEGALS supporters out of your freaking mind?

WTF x 10000000000000000000 indeed.
 
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Svnla said:
For years? Really? Then why don't you just cite a post or two about me being "hateful" toward ILLEGALS as you claimed repeatedly yet UNABLE to provide any evidence (in my own words, not what you "think"). Not one, nada, zip.

You asked me what Congress would do in the future yet you are still unable to provide a straight answer of why LEGALS have to wait for years and years while ILLEGALS do NOT have to. Uh huh.

Oh, the old same tired argument of "but..but..we can't deport million and million of ILLEGALS" but let more of them to come in, right? LOL. See my links about how other sovereign nations on Earth would do with ILLEGALS. Funny how none of you would dare to dispute those facts. So much hateful from them, right? Why none of those countries would let ILLEGALS do as ILLEGALS do in the US (sneak in/overstay and then demand to stay)? Hummmmm...I wonder why.

How about let start with if anyone would support ILLEGALS or hire or rent or do anything for ILLEGALS, they will have to pay heavy fines and if they do it again, they would be in jail and all of their assets would be seize by the IRS. Let do that and see how fast the ILLEGALS will have no choice but to leave. Let do that first before another huge amnesty in the name of "comprehensive immigration reform" bullshit that anyone with 1/2 a brain would be able to see.

Just like the old saying of do the same thing over and over again and expect different result = crazy/nut/stupid. Are you and the ILLEGALS supporters out of your freaking mind?

WTF x 10000000000000000000 indeed.
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Except... none of that will actually happen. Why would you wish such a thing on anybody if you didn't hate them?
 
Svnla said:
Post a link or two from well know sources about any sovereign nation that would shoot to kill anyone crossing the border. I will wait. BTW, what extreme position I was taking as you claim? Post my exact words and not what you "think" I said.

Until you can post those stories, you are nothing but a troll, keep trolling.

I have no beef with LEGAL immigrants but you know that, right?

Let me help you. LEGALS = si. ILLEGALS = no. Comprende? (Oh no, too much hate...LOL).
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I quoted your extreme position. You don't deny the quote was your exact words, right?

Also, I asked you a question about how far you'd let a gov't take things. I don't have to provide examples, dumbnuts. That's not how this works. You either answer or don't. You didn't. Fine. No need to create a whole dance for the fact that you don't think things through.

So do you have a problem with the government agents turning asylum seekers into "illegals"? What is it you fear from immigrants? What test must they pass to be cleared by you?
 
Jhhnn said:
Except... none of that will actually happen. Why would you wish such a thing on anybody if you didn't hate them?
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If we want to solve a problem, then need to do something different than the same old things over and over again, such as amnesty aka "comprehensive immigration reform". What ill did I wish upon the ILLEGALS? You sure are on a roll with you new job as Time magazine correspondence...aka..pulling smoke out of your butt.
 
jackstar7 said:
I quoted your extreme position. You don't deny the quote was your exact words, right?

Also, I asked you a question about how far you'd let a gov't take things. I don't have to provide examples, dumbnuts. That's not how this works. You either answer or don't. You didn't. Fine. No need to create a whole dance for the fact that you don't think things through.

So do you have a problem with the government agents turning asylum seekers into "illegals"? What is it you fear from immigrants? What test must they pass to be cleared by you?
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I want any sovereign nation to have the right to defense their borders. This is what you quoted me 'Any sovereign nation is within their right to enforce their border policy as they see fit". How is that extreme? Did I advocate any violence or any bad upon ILLEGALS? Nope, nada, zip. You would not dare to give a straight answer but pull the .."but..but..what about shooting this and that" bull shit.

You don't get to dish out questions without answer mine first. Why it is ok for LEGALS to wait for years and years to immigrate the LEGAL way while ILLEGALS do not have to? Answer that, dumb ass.
 
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dainthomas said:
Svnla probably gets little shivers every time he reads about the ICE gestapo kidnapping some guy from his front yard in front of his kids.
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Nope, I am upset and sad when I ready stories like this, how US citizens are being kidnaped and raped by ILLEGALS - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ccused-kidnapping-raping-teenage-sisters.html

See my links above about the lady with husband and kids killed by an ILLEGAL, Kate S, and other Americans that killed by ILLEGALS. Note a beep from the ILLEGAL supporters.

Where are the matches? Where are the outrages? Where are the voices for American victims? Where are their chances to reunite with their family members? Too bad, right?
 
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Svnla said:
What ill did I wish upon the ILLEGALS?
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Lets start here. You keep saying 'ILLEGALS' in all caps as a way to dehumanize them. They are not 'illegals' they are people that might have done something illegal. We actually don't even know that until they are found guilty of it in a court of law, because that is how our legal system works. But instead you are using a huge brush to paint a large group of people so that you can feel good about discriminating against them.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Lets start here. You keep saying 'ILLEGALS' in all caps as a way to dehumanize them. They are not 'illegals' they are people that might have done something illegal. We actually don't even know that until they are found guilty of it in a court of law, because that is how our legal system works. But instead you are using a huge brush to paint a large group of people so that you can feel good about discriminating against them.
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I called a spade as a spade.

LEGALS =! ILLEGALS because many try to group them together as "immigrants" and that is far from the truth.

There is no such thing as "undocumented immigrants". Billy Bob is a "undocumented graduate" from MIT, Yale, and Harvard. Let hire him. What? You mean he will have to provide evidence? Can't just take his words for it? LOL.

See how stupid it is? That's how stupid the word "undocumented immigrants". Let see you or anyone would stop by any sovereign nation on Earth and claim yourself as "undocumented immigrant". What do you think will happen? Oh, don't answer that. I already posted several links in this thread about Canada, Australia, Italy, EU nations, and others dealing with ILLEGALS. Not one, not one, did I mention not one? Not one country would let you in. Period. Dehumanize/Discriminate you said?

Again, where did I advocate any violence or ill or anything bad upon the ILLEGALS? I am still waiting.
 
Svnla said:
See my links above about the lady with husband and kids killed by an ILLEGAL, Kate S, and other Americans that killed by ILLEGALS. Note a beep from the ILLEGAL supporters.
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I don't think declaring that murders are bad is a particularly contentious position. Which is why we arrest and prosecute murderers regardless of legal status. Immigrants both legal and illegal offend at significantly lower rates than native born Americans so this fiasco that Trump has created on the border is to "fix" a problem that he has yuuuugely exaggerated beyond all reason.
 
K1052 said:
I don't think declaring that murders are bad is a particularly contentious position. Which is why we arrest and prosecute murderers regardless of legal status. Immigrants both legal and illegal offend at significantly lower rates than native born Americans so this fiasco that Trump has created on the border is to "fix" a problem that he has yuuuugely exaggerated beyond all reason.
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We have enough crimes from our own US citizens. We do not need to import more crimes/criminals from outside our border. Do you agree? Other nations agree. See links above.
 
Svnla said:
We have enough crimes from our own US citizens. We do not need to import more crimes/criminals from outside our border. Do you agree? Other nations agree. See links above.
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The logical conclusion of this argument is that the US should be closed off to everybody but citizens, which is of course crazy.
 
K1052 said:
The logical conclusion of this argument is that the US should be closed off to everybody but citizens, which is of course crazy.
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Nope. I never said that. Never said let close up the shop and shut out everyone.

See my post above when I said LEGALS = si, ILLEGALS = no.

I am all for legals. This is what I said in another thread = https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...grate-to-america.2550120/page-3#post-39485512

Do you open the doors of your house and let anyone in or you only let in people that you know or people you know for sure are not criminals/thieves? I rest my case.
 
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Svnla said:
Nope. I never said that. Never said let close up the shop and shut out everyone.

See my post above when I said LEGALS = si, ILLEGALS = no.

I am all for legals. This is what I said in another thread = https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...grate-to-america.2550120/page-3#post-39485512

Do you open the doors of your house and let anyone in or you only let in people that you know or people you know for sure are not criminals/thieves? I rest my case.
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So legal immigrants never commit serious crimes so they are good. Illegals commit serious crimes and are bad. Citizens commit serious crimes and they are good.
 
Svnla said:
Do you open the doors of your house and let anyone in or you only let in people that you know or people you know for sure are not criminals/thieves? I rest my case.
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Were I to let three random people in consisting of an American native born, a legal immigrant, and an illegal immigrant statistically speaking I should be most worried about the first one.
 
Svnla said:
See my edit above with a link from another thread.
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That doesn't much clear it up for me. If the argument is that we have Americans committing enough crime that we don't need outsiders committing crime (even at much lower rates) then I don't see a lot of wiggle room that such an argument wouldn't cover all non-US citizens and maybe even all non native borns.
 
K1052 said:
That doesn't much clear it up for me. If the argument is that we have Americans committing enough crime that we don't need outsiders committing crime (even at much lower rates) then I don't see a lot of wiggle room that such an argument wouldn't cover all non-US citizens and maybe even all non native borns.
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Let me put it this way.

Would you rather have as LEGAL immigrant as someone like Elon Musk or someone that you did check his background thoroughly

or someone that sneaked in that no one knows what he is capable of?
 
K1052 said:
Were I to let three random people in consisting of an American native born, a legal immigrant, and an illegal immigrant statistically speaking I should be most worried about the first one.
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That's why I said you need to open your door to people that you know well or check his background thoroughly. You would not let anyone in just because of some sob stories as we are doing now.
 
Svnla said:
If we want to solve a problem, then need to do something different than the same old things over and over again, such as amnesty aka "comprehensive immigration reform". What ill did I wish upon the ILLEGALS? You sure are on a roll with you new job as Time magazine correspondence...aka..pulling smoke out of your butt.
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You wished that illegals be denied employment to force them to leave the country. And their little brown rugrat American citizen children, too.
 
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