I like these kids

[MrSquished]

Catholic school that just went from boys only to accepting girls as well, has radical far right anti-choice speaker that compares abortion to the Holocaust and ticked off various other bullshit propaganda points. Vast majority of kids walk out in protest.

It's good that a lot of kids can see through the filthy positions of the fake pro-life scheisters.

Students walk out after high school holds anti-abortion assembly, and compares abortion to holocaust

Many parents and students were disgusted by the school's attempt to push an extreme view on the students.

scoop.upworthy.com

"Hundreds of high school students staged a walkout to protest an anti-abortion assembly held at Archbishop Riordan High School. The students walked out as an anti-abortion speaker made his presentation at the catholic school where it welcomed girl students for the very time. School teachers patrolled the doors as Megan Almon, who works with the Life Training Institute, started her speech. Life Training Institute is opposed to abortion and aims to teach people to “persuasively defend their views in the marketplace of ideas.” The Training Institute often sends speakers to Catholic and Christian schools, reported San Francisco Chronicle. Within a few minutes into the presentation, Almon had compared the number of abortions to deaths in the holocaust.

The students walked out of the presentation as a sign of protest. They exited the theater and walked into the gym as school rules don’t allow them to leave campus. Of the 800 students in the theater, only a few dozens remained for the entirety of the presentation. The move was controversial among students as this was the school's first year as a co-ed institution. Riordan was until last year an all-boys school. The students were angered by the move to invite Megan Almon to give a speech at the school. “It’s just so frustrating,” said Claire Ibalio, who had transferred to the school from an all-girls school last year. “It’s been so hard to go from an environment of female empowerment to someone telling me what I can and can’t do with my body.”

Almon propped up common anti-abortion talking points including considering embryos as people and referring to abortions as infanticide."

 

[fleshconsumed]

Even with this being San Francisco, I am still a bit surprised that the vast majority of the students walked out, I was not expecting that. Good on them!

 

[maluckey1]

This was pre-planned, and it was pre-excused for students to leave. They even set up a place for people to not attend.

"We recognize that members of our school community, whether they are Catholic or not, have different viewpoints on this topic. We appreciate that those with different views shared those respectfully today. We offered an alternative safe venue for students."

If you send your kid to a Catholic school, and you or the kids are offended by a basic tenet of Christianity, I don't know what to say to you.....

Perhaps your kid should should go to another school?

 

[trenchfoot]

As an example of how diverse Catholic schools are, the one that was located a couple of hundred yards from the home I grew up in had as a feature more after school fights than the public school I was going to such that there was a designated spot where the fights would be regularly held. I used to hit this small soda fountain after school let out just to see the rivals meet up there before moving over to "the green pit". A cheering crowd of a dozen or so kids always accompanied the duelists.

A coupl'a miles from my house there's another Catholic school nestled in the neighborhood and that school was run like a concentration camp. Same lower middle class/poor demographic, same multi-cultural mix. There were fights between kids from rival Catholic schools going on where kids from one school would visit the other for some friendly fisticuffs over their guys hitting up the girls from the other school and such.

 

[Vic]

Dumb move by the school to get radically political when Catholic school enrollment has been declining nationwide for years.
In fact, a quick search shows that declining enrollment, and subsequent financial shortfalls, was the reason this school recently went co-ed.

 

[brycejones]

This was pre-planned, and it was pre-excused for students to leave. They even set up a place for people to not attend.

"We recognize that members of our school community, whether they are Catholic or not, have different viewpoints on this topic. We appreciate that those with different views shared those respectfully today. We offered an alternative safe venue for students."

If you send your kid to a Catholic school, and you or the kids are offended by a basic tenet of Christianity, I don't know what to say to you.....

Perhaps your kid should should go to another school?

Except it isn’t a basic tenet of Christianity.

 

[MichaelMay]

This was pre-planned, and it was pre-excused for students to leave. They even set up a place for people to not attend.

"We recognize that members of our school community, whether they are Catholic or not, have different viewpoints on this topic. We appreciate that those with different views shared those respectfully today. We offered an alternative safe venue for students."

If you send your kid to a Catholic school, and you or the kids are offended by a basic tenet of Christianity, I don't know what to say to you.....

Perhaps your kid should should go to another school?

Isn't it funny that comparing abortion to the holocaust is only a basic tenet of Christianity in the US?

That's where you are now and it's fucking pathetic.

 

[MichaelMay]

Except it isn’t a basic tenet of Christianity.

Well, there are verses that seem to recommend abortion in the case of infidelity so there is that. Not that any of these people have ever read the Bible and of course they just make shit up as they go along instead.

 

[maluckey1]

Except it isn’t a basic tenet of Christianity.

Not trying to be confrontational, just saying that you may be mistaken. Acceptance of Christ and all his teachings is required to be a Christian. I can categorically state that there are no Catholic teachings (since this article is about Catholic teaching) where anyone is permitted to abort.

 

[brycejones]

Not trying to be confrontational, just saying that you may be mistaken. Acceptance of Christ and all his teachings is required to be a Christian. I can categorically state that there are no Catholic teachings (since this article is about Catholic teaching) where anyone is permitted to abort.

You are conflating Catholic teachings with Christianity as a whole.

 

[Paratus]

Not trying to be confrontational, just saying that you may be mistaken. Acceptance of Christ and all his teachings is required to be a Christian. I can categorically state that there are no Catholic teachings (since this article is about Catholic teaching) where anyone is permitted to abort.

Catholics are supposed to be ‘fruitful’ and they aren’t supposed to be using birth control.

So EVERY Catholic is encouraged to abort as many ‘children’ as is required to get a successful pregnancy for each pregnancy.

Depending on maternal age your choice to have a kid ends up with the risk of the ‘kid’ dying between playing Russian roulette and actually taking an abortifacient.

 

[maluckey1]

You are conflating Catholic teachings with Christianity as a whole.

Maybe so, but Catholics are by far the majority population. Regardless of that, there are no Christian teachings that say abortion is acceptable.

Catholics are supposed to be ‘fruitful’ and they aren’t supposed to be using birth control.

So EVERY Catholic is encouraged to abort as many ‘children’ as is required to get a successful pregnancy for each pregnancy.

Depending on maternal age your choice to have a kid ends up with the risk of the ‘kid’ dying between playing Russian roulette and actually taking an abortifacient.

Cute. I can show a similar chart comparing the number of bagels consumed in England equaling the number of deaths in WWII. Equally as valuable as this chart is to the topic of children/parents not agreeing with values that they are taught in a Catholic school...that they voluntarily enrolled into.

 

[brycejones]

Maybe so, but Catholics are by far the majority population. Regardless of that, there are no Christian teachings that say abortion is acceptable.

Quote Jesus on the subject please.

 

[maluckey1]

Quote Jesus on the subject please.

Umm, I was responding to your possible insinuation that you knew of some Christian teaching allowing abortion. Jesus didn't need to speak on the subject, since it wasn't allowed by Halakha in his time (or before that).

Much like we know that Jesus wasn't 7 feet tall, even thought there are no statements to the fact in the scriptures. One never points out the obvious to a reader familiar with a culture. If Jesus was seven feet tall, someone would have mentioned that.

 

[brycejones]

Umm, I was responding to your possible insinuation that you knew of some Christian teaching allowing abortion. Jesus didn't need to speak on the subject, since it wasn't allowed by Halakha in his time (or before that).

Much like we know that Jesus wasn't 7 feet tall, even thought there are no statements to the fact in the scriptures. One never points out the obvious to a reader familiar with a culture. If Jesus was seven feet tall, someone would have mentioned that.

So there are no teachings from Christ to accept on the subject. Therefore it isn't core to being a Christian.

 

[sandorski]

Umm, I was responding to your possible insinuation that you knew of some Christian teaching allowing abortion. Jesus didn't need to speak on the subject, since it wasn't allowed by Halakha in his time (or before that).

Much like we know that Jesus wasn't 7 feet tall, even thought there are no statements to the fact in the scriptures. One never points out the obvious to a reader familiar with a culture. If Jesus was seven feet tall, someone would have mentioned that.

The Bible says you are incorrect: Biblical Abortion

 

[maluckey1]

The Bible says you are incorrect: Biblical Abortion

That's a test/penalty for adultery. Not an optional abortion. If the woman is found guilty, she could possibly be stoned to death if the elders so choose. Find where a mother can voluntarily abort.

So there are no teachings from Christ to accept on the subject. Therefore it isn't core to being a Christian.

There are no teachings from Christ on a subject well known to his followers as already not legal under the law of the time. There is no need to teach what is known. Core to being a Christian is that God values life that follows his commandments. Those that choose not to follow are destroyed by their own choices. Death is a consequence of sin.

You seem to want to learn about Christianity. You can PM me and we can talk about it offline. This thread is about something else, mainly people choosing to go to a Catholic school then not agreeing with what is being taught.

 

[brycejones]

That's a test/penalty for adultery. Not an optional abortion. If the woman is found guilty, she could possibly be stoned to death if the elders so choose. Find where a mother can voluntarily abort.

There are no teachings from Christ on a subject well known to his followers as already not legal under the law of the time. There is no need to teach what is known. Core to being a Christian is that God values life that follows his commandments. Those that choose not to follow are destroyed by their own choices. Death is a consequence of sin.

You seem to want to learn about Christianity. You can PM me and we can talk about it offline. This thread is about something else, mainly people choosing to go to a Catholic school then not agreeing with what is being taught.

Yeah, you seem to be very confused.

 

[maluckey1]

Yeah, you seem to be very confused.

To be clear, you're saying that you aren't interested in learning about Christianity? That's O.K.! I work with Hindi, Buddhists, Muslim and even an Animist and we get along just fine.

To help matters a bit, I don't go to their religious services or classes and complain about them. I can leave if I want. Just like the students and parents in the thread this is supposed to be talking about.

 

[brycejones]

To be clear, you're saying that you aren't interested in learning about Christianity? That's O.K.! I work with Hindi, Buddhists, Muslim and even an Animist and we get along just fine.

To help matters a bit, I don't go to their religious services or classes and complain about them. I can leave if I want. Just like the students and parents in the thread this is supposed to be talking about.

No you are confused about your argument. But a better statement for your original post would have been opposition to abortion is a core tenant of the Catholic Church.

If you can’t quote Jesus on the subject who had a lot to say about on many subjects you can’t claim it is a teaching of Jesus that has to be accepted. Stop conflating Catholic teaching with being the definition of Christianity and we are good.

 

[Vic]

That's a test/penalty for adultery. Not an optional abortion. If the woman is found guilty, she could possibly be stoned to death if the elders so choose. Find where a mother can voluntarily abort.

There are no teachings from Christ on a subject well known to his followers as already not legal under the law of the time. There is no need to teach what is known. Core to being a Christian is that God values life that follows his commandments. Those that choose not to follow are destroyed by their own choices. Death is a consequence of sin.

You seem to want to learn about Christianity. You can PM me and we can talk about it offline. This thread is about something else, mainly people choosing to go to a Catholic school then not agreeing with what is being taught.

Your statements are false. There was no prohibition against abortion in ancient Halakha.

Abortion: Halakhic Perspectives | Jewish Women's Archive

While halakhic discussions about abortion largely excluded the arguments and perspectives of women, in general poskim (decisors) determined that a woman’s life takes priority over the life of the fetus. Halakhic perspectives have explored the point at which the fetus is considered a human and...

jwa.org

If want us to believe that you're actually a Christian, you can start by not bearing false witness.

 

[sandorski]

That's a test/penalty for adultery. Not an optional abortion. If the woman is found guilty, she could possibly be stoned to death if the elders so choose. Find where a mother can voluntarily abort.

There are no teachings from Christ on a subject well known to his followers as already not legal under the law of the time. There is no need to teach what is known. Core to being a Christian is that God values life that follows his commandments. Those that choose not to follow are destroyed by their own choices. Death is a consequence of sin.

You seem to want to learn about Christianity. You can PM me and we can talk about it offline. This thread is about something else, mainly people choosing to go to a Catholic school then not agreeing with what is being taught.

Clearly though, Abortion was allowed. You're just Lawyering the circumstance.

 

[mect]

Honestly, whether or not abortion is against Christian teachings is immaterial to the thread at hand. If you believe that abortions are comparable to the holocaust, you are a piece of shit. People are allowed to hold beliefs that contradict the religious mandates of their faith, and they should voice their opposition to religious leaders that espouse messages like this. Being a member of a religious organization doesn't mean just follow along blindly. Every person has their own moral agency and a responsibility to act accordingly, just like the students in the OP.

 

[Amused]

Not trying to be confrontational, just saying that you may be mistaken. Acceptance of Christ and all his teachings is required to be a Christian. I can categorically state that there are no Catholic teachings (since this article is about Catholic teaching) where anyone is permitted to abort.

Pure BS. There is NO BIBLICAL mention of abortion in the bible.

In point of fact, a baby not carried to term yet and lost is treated as lost property, NOT LIFE, in the bible.

Exodus 21-22

When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

 

[mect]

Pure BS. There is NO BIBLICAL mention of abortion in the bible.

In point of fact, a baby not carried to term yet and lost is treated as lost property, NOT LIFE, in the bible.

Exodus 21-22

When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

I haven't looked into this for quite a while, but my understanding is that both women and children are treated as property in the bible as well. Which is why any appeal to the bible for moral justification is pretty silly regardless. Christians have two basic choices. They can take the good parts of the bible and reject the garbage in an attempt to be a decent person. Or they can try to tie all morality to the bible, and be a piece of shit.