I like these kids

[Pohemi]

We were having genuine dialog until your last point. Jill and Joe Biden, the guy you like and support are... wait or it...Catholic, and recently met with the head of the Catholic Church. I disagree with some of his methods and priorities, but for the most part he's doing O.K. I haven't seen much in the way of your accusations happening.

You enjoy trying to put words in other poster's mouths, huh? Again....disingenuous if you'd paid any attention to the legislative efforts of public figures and politicians.

Did I say that ONLY conservatives were Catholic/Christian? No, I didn't.

What I am suggesting is that the difference between liberals (even the Catholic ones, of which there are plenty) and conservatives is that the religious conservatives are the people creating legislation/laws to limit people's choices and actions based on theological "morality", often with subtle, alterior true motives.

I see liberal Catholics as actually living more in the Christian ideal of caring about their neighbors and fellow humans no matter what their background, skin color, wealth, etc.

Now, I'm not naive enough to believe that these statements are true all the time, but the generalization has become so obvious in the past 50 years, that if you deny it...you're living in an alt-reality and lying to yourself.

I was raised Catholic and forced to go to a Catholic grade school (against my will), so I need no education in Catholicism and Christianity, but you can keep pretending that I speak from a position of ignorance.

 

[mect]

First of all, thanks for the genuine reply.

I agree, working from within is a valid way to respond. Walking out on hearing the other side is not.

That depends. Does the point the other person is trying to make have sufficient substance to be worth engaging in a dialogue? If it does, then I would agree. If the statement being made is so lacking in substance that there is nothing to engage with, then I think walking out is perfectly legitimate. In my opinion, someone who equates the holocaust with abortion falls into the latter category. If a school invited a flat earther to speak to the students, I would also support the students just walking out. Sure, you could try to engage in a conversation, but someone that far gone is typically not worth the effort in my experience. When someone holds a ludicrous position, in my opinion the effort is not to try to convince that person they are wrong, but rather to send a message to society that you will not support the spreading of that message.

I also agree that using another's pain as a comparison point is a poor choice, which I (personally) would never do. That being said, I am unapologetically Pro-Life.

Maybe it's because my Grandma was told that her future son was not likely to live. There were several complications. She ignored the advice, and My father was born at just over five months. My Grandma was admittedly a party girl (not common in the early forties), drinking, smoking and a lounge singer, and also under a bit of stress from WWII. My father was likely to be premature (under six months), and he was. Upon birth, they told her that he (my father) would be dead in the morning.

She put him in a shoebox on the side of the woodstove, then slept a few hours, and he was still alive, so she fed him...and again in a few hours. Four days later and he was thriving. Years later, two tours in Vietnam, 5 bronze stars (2 with V device), 4 air medals, 1 Purple Heart, 1 MSM, 1 South Vietnamese equivalent of Vietnamese Silver Star. He also rose through the ranks. He enlisted rather than be drafted, and rose to E-5,. At that time he went to OCS, and then flight school. He was eventually a Cobra pilot in Vietnam, then got out, returned as a warrant , then regained commission and then retired an O-4. Agent Orange ultimately killed him. He lived till the end without bitterness.

Instead of telling people that killing is bad (a literal no-brainer), perhaps Catholics should talk about what people can do? Guilt doesn't change people so much as inspiration.

While this is a great anecdote that is important for you personally, it does not give you the right to project your views to make slaves of women.

I'm fine with people that are personally opposed to abortions. No one should ever be forced to get an abortion. But women should have the autonomy to make their own health care decisions, whether they choose to get an abortion or not.

 

[maluckey1]

That depends. Does the point the other person is trying to make have sufficient substance to be worth engaging in a dialogue? If it does, then I would agree. If the statement being made is so lacking in substance that there is nothing to engage with, then I think walking out is perfectly legitimate. In my opinion, someone who equates the holocaust with abortion falls into the latter category. If a school invited a flat earther to speak to the students, I would also support the students just walking out. Sure, you could try to engage in a conversation, but someone that far gone is typically not worth the effort in my experience. When someone holds a ludicrous position, in my opinion the effort is not to try to convince that person they are wrong, but rather to send a message to society that you will not support the spreading of that message.

I mostly agree on this part. At a certain point on the spectrum, conversation becomes moot, since the other person is either unwilling or unable because of their extremism to even begin to do so.

Suffice to say I know where you stand, and you know where I stand. For what it's worth, I do enjoy the dialog.

You enjoy trying to put words in other poster's mouths, huh? Again....disingenuous if you'd paid any attention to the legislative efforts of public figures and politicians.

Did I say that ONLY conservatives were Catholic/Christian? No, I didn't.

What I am suggesting is that the difference between liberals (even the Catholic ones, of which there are plenty) and conservatives is that the religious conservatives are the people creating legislation/laws to limit people's choices and actions based on theological "morality", often with subtle, alterior true motives.

I see liberal Catholics as actually living more in the Christian ideal of caring about their neighbors and fellow humans no matter what their background, skin color, wealth, etc.

Now, I'm not naive enough to believe that these statements are true all the time, but the generalization has become so obvious in the past 50 years, that if you deny it...you're living in an alt-reality and lying to yourself.

I was raised Catholic and forced to go to a Catholic grade school (against my will), so I need no education in Catholicism and Christianity, but you can keep pretending that I speak from a position of ignorance.

You lumped them together as a pejorative "Catholics and Conservatives" so yes, you did equate the two. If you're a Cradle Catholic (your claim) then you know (because you, yourself deride Conservatives) that there are all kinds of Catholics on various political spectrums. Are you arguing just to argue?

 

[brycejones]

Are you arguing just to argue?

LOL

 

[woolfe9998]

Totally agree, and I said so. I haven't seen that particular film, so I really can't comment much on it. If they are using the Holocaust as a measure, it's not something I agree with. In our Parish, the presentations I've seen were showing children growing up, parents sharing stories and having adoptive and foster parents talk about their experiences. Lots of discussion followed.

I'm glad you agree. Then you should understand why those students walked out. It's not that they expected a different stance on abortion in Catholic school.

 

[Pohemi]

You lumped them together as a pejorative "Catholics and Conservatives" so yes, you did equate the two.

LOL...no, I didn't.

I cannot help if your reading comprehension is lacking, and I even pointed out that these were NOT absolute statements or truths. They are generalizations that have typically been true in the political spectrum in the US for over 70 years.

Are you arguing just to argue?

Are you lying and being dishonest just to lie and be dishonest? You seem to enjoy it, clown.

 

[nakedfrog]

I'm fine with people that are personally opposed to abortions. No one should ever be forced to get an abortion. But women should have the autonomy to make their own health care decisions, whether they choose to get an abortion or not.

And that's what it all comes down to, all these political machinations to enforce a religious belief on non-practitioners of that religion. Every attempt to outlaw or restrict abortion has religion at the core.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I can only speak from my own reality as an Army Brat, raised on bases around the world. I felt less pressure at church than at home, or on base. Me and my buddies (the parents called us "the Reprobates") used to find any excuse to work on off-base community projects or with the church. It was time where we could be kids, and not nomads, soldiers and expected-to-be future leaders. I suppose they felt that it was character building. We thought it was a chance to hang with kids whose experiences were different. They had lifelong friends, whereas we moved every 1.5 - 2 years to a new location, often another state, and from time to time another country.

It's obvious your anecdote influences your view of religion.

It's obvious mine does too, raised in an evangelical environment, I got to see real indoctrination up close.

 

[raildogg]

MrSquished, you are among the most virtuous, awake and enlightened personalities on these here forums. You contributions towards wokeness is duly noted. It's weird that religious schools would try to be different than the modern woke ideology. It's weird that a Catholic school would even have the right to do what they did! Shut them down.

 

[sandorski]

MrSquished, you are among the most virtuous, awake and enlightened personalities on these here forums. You contributions towards wokeness is duly noted. It's weird that religious schools would try to be different than the modern woke ideology. It's weird that a Catholic school would even have the right to do what they did! Shut them down.

Not weird, sad.

 

[maluckey1]

LOL...no, I didn't.

I cannot help if your reading comprehension is lacking, and I even pointed out that these were NOT absolute statements or truths. They are generalizations that have typically been true in the political spectrum in the US for over 70 years.

Yeah...you did, and no...you never (until this very post) pointed out that they weren't.

Are you lying and being dishonest just to lie and be dishonest? You seem to enjoy it, clown.

Ahh....again with the labeling and name calling. The last refuge!!! It's also great entertainment for the masses.

"Catholics and conservatives have been trying to legislate with their twisted views of the Bible and faux moral superiority for more than a century in the US. "

Your words. They speak volumes. The statement is unambiguous in it's vitriol and intended effect.

 

[Pohemi]

Yeah...you did, and no...you never (until this very post) pointed out that they weren't.

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Now, I'm not naive enough to believe that these statements are true all the time, but the generalization has become so obvious in the past 50 years, that if you deny it...you're living in an alt-reality and lying to yourself.

Ahh....again with the labeling and name calling. The last refuge!!! It's also great entertainment for the masses.

Ahh...more lying and misrepresentation of the facts and even things that other people have said in previous posts in the thread. Nothing new with you though, nor the rest of the clowns jammed into that tiny car.

Your words. They speak volumes.

Okay, clown. Apparently you can't even understand what others are saying, so something 'speaking' to your broken brain doesn't mean shit.

 

[skyking]

comparing ANYTHING to the holocaust is beyond offensive, and the kids were right to walk out on that shit. It deserves no audience and I am certain that many of the parent of those kids were also offended.

 

[ch33zw1z]

MrSquished, you are among the most virtuous, awake and enlightened personalities on these here forums. You contributions towards wokeness is duly noted. It's weird that religious schools would try to be different than the modern woke ideology. It's weird that a Catholic school would even have the right to do what they did! Shut them down.

You're so woke bro. Does it hurt you eyes to be this woke?