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I like Battlestar Galatica..

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hellokeith

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Ah, yes, let us see the perspective of the suicide bombers, who are valiantly protecting the populous and fighting the invaders. And those "new police", collaborators with the oppressors, what traitors they are. And the puppet government, how it has no real control and must do the bidding of the dominators.

Well, like Revenge of the Sith and V for Vengeance, Hollywood has once again raped a good storyline to inject its leftist ideals. Sad, quite sad.
 
Originally posted by: hellokeith
V for Vengeance, Hollywood has once again raped a good storyline to inject its leftist ideals. Sad, quite sad.
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You're forgetting the 'leftist terrorist ideals' espoused by Mel Gibson in The Patriot, aren't you? The myopia of conservatives never ceases to amaze me. Tell me, how does history remember liberals, and how does it remember conservatives?
 
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Ah, yes, let us see the perspective of the suicide bombers, who are valiantly protecting the populous and fighting the invaders. And those "new police", collaborators with the oppressors, what traitors they are. And the puppet government, how it has no real control and must do the bidding of the dominators.

Well, like Revenge of the Sith and V for Vengeance, Hollywood has once again raped a good storyline to inject its leftist ideals. Sad, quite sad.
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What's wrong with seeing a different perspective?
 
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Ah, yes, let us see the perspective of the suicide bombers, who are valiantly protecting the populous and fighting the invaders. And those "new police", collaborators with the oppressors, what traitors they are. And the puppet government, how it has no real control and must do the bidding of the dominators.

Well, like Revenge of the Sith and V for Vengeance, Hollywood has once again raped a good storyline to inject its leftist ideals. Sad, quite sad.
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What's wrong with seeing a different perspective?
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What if it causes you to question your own motives/actions? What then, huh, huh 😉
 
Ah yes, because if history has taught us anything, it's that insurgent groups are never the "good guys" and that puppet governments never collaborate with the oppressive invaders :roll: You know, unless we're talking about, just to pick a random example, occupied France during WWII.

Here's a hint for all the egocentric conservatives out there, it's not always about you. The history of invasion, insurgency and the subversion of democracy does not begin nor end with the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq. I realize conservatives can't help but think the villians of movies like V for Vendetta and Revenge of the Sith are liberal ideas of what conservatives are like (or could be like), but I'd say that's probably due to a combination of ignorance of history and a subconscious that fears it might be true.

Seriously conservatives, read up on Vichy France and the Nazi rise to power...and quit bitching about "Revenge of the Sith". If you see yourselves reflected in the Emperor's subversion of democracy using terror for his own selfish ends, that's not really OUR fault, now is it? 😉
 
Hollywood is very left so it should be no suprise that we see that view in the TV shows we watch. I only saw the end of the show and thought the whole way the bad guys covered their faces was to much like our terrorist friends in Iraq, but the "get out and strech your legs" was ripped right our of the great escape. 🙂

Next week we will see the lady President thrown into the cooler with just a ball and glove.

BTW: Gibson was a freedom fighter not a terrorist 😛

terrorists = attack civilians
freedom fighters = attack governments in order to over turn them
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Hollywood is very left so it should be no suprise that we see that view in the TV shows we watch. I only saw the end of the show and thought the whole way the bad guys covered their faces was to much like our terrorist friends in Iraq, but the "get out and strech your legs" was ripped right our of the great escape. 🙂

Next week we will see the lady President thrown into the cooler with just a ball and glove.

BTW: Gibson was a freedom fighter not a terrorist 😛

terrorists = attack civilians
freedom fighters = attack governments in order to over turn them
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I'm not sure I understand what's so "leftist" about the plots in the movies and shows the OP was complaining about. Is the conservative argument really that it's wrong to fight a foreign invader under any circumstances, or to attack a puppet government they might put in place, or to attack oppressive "police" the invaders might set up to enforce their will? And what about dictators overthrowing democracy by manipulating their people? Are conservatives really suggesting that such events are some liberal fantasy, and that depictions of people fighting against them are really just some sort of metaphor for liberal dislike of the Bush administration and support for terrorists in Iraq?

Sorry there are so many questions, but trying to discuss this topic frequently leaves me with a headache...you guys are way out there in (if you'll pardon the expression) left field. Just about every conservative in the country seemed to think Revenge of the Sith was some sort of attack on the Bush administration, or maybe an almost exact replica of what happened in Nazi Germany. After all, a big part of the "Empire" was genetically perfect stormtroopers and policies pushing the ruling group as a superior race. But hey, clearly it's all a liberal plot to discredit President Bush.
 
so you righties wouldn't revolt against a totalitarian fascist regime? i'd revolt against a totalitarian communist regime....
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
so you righties wouldn't revolt against a totalitarian fascist regime? i'd revolt against a totalitarian communist regime....
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You need to realize that the die-hard GOP supporters believe there is a grand conspiracy on how the
world is out to get them. Not to get hugely off topic, but look at two of the excuses Dennis Hastert gave for the recent scandel -- George Soros and a former employee of Clinton's who was fired.

It's similar to another poster here who manages to consider everything as a vast Republican conspiracy. I'm not calling him out, but come on, like it's hard to figure out 😉​
 
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Ah, yes, let us see the perspective of the suicide bombers, who are valiantly protecting the populous and fighting the invaders. And those "new police", collaborators with the oppressors, what traitors they are. And the puppet government, how it has no real control and must do the bidding of the dominators.

Well, like Revenge of the Sith and V for Vengeance, Hollywood has once again raped a good storyline to inject its leftist ideals. Sad, quite sad.
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V for Vendetta is the movie I'm assuming you're talking about when you mention V for Vengeance. That is based on Alan Moore's comic books written in early 80's. It's actually a fairly spot on film version of the book...any injection of lbieral values is 100% in your mind. Likewise Revenge of the Sith doesn't deviate whatsoever from the original theme of Star Wars...big bad government that oppresses people being fought back by the righteous freedom fighters. This theme isn't a hollywood conconction you dunce, it's been rehashed in novels, books, songs, yadda yadda through the years (Robin Hood, etc etc).

Let me ask you this question OP. If the concept of "freedom fighters battling against an oppresive government" a liberal concept, what would you consider the actions of our Founding Fathers?
 
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Ah, yes, let us see the perspective of the suicide bombers, who are valiantly protecting the populous and fighting the invaders. And those "new police", collaborators with the oppressors, what traitors they are. And the puppet government, how it has no real control and must do the bidding of the dominators.

Well, like Revenge of the Sith and V for Vengeance, Hollywood has once again raped a good storyline to inject its leftist ideals. Sad, quite sad.
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You sound quite paranoid. As in you see the "enemy" (AKA the "liberal elitists") everywhere and in everything.
 
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Ah, yes, let us see the perspective of the suicide bombers, who are valiantly protecting the populous and fighting the invaders. And those "new police", collaborators with the oppressors, what traitors they are. And the puppet government, how it has no real control and must do the bidding of the dominators.

Well, like Revenge of the Sith and V for Vengeance, Hollywood has once again raped a good storyline to inject its leftist ideals. Sad, quite sad.
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Perhaps you should just stick with Hannity and Colmes for your fiction needs. 😀
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Ah, yes, let us see the perspective of the suicide bombers, who are valiantly protecting the populous and fighting the invaders. And those "new police", collaborators with the oppressors, what traitors they are. And the puppet government, how it has no real control and must do the bidding of the dominators.

Well, like Revenge of the Sith and V for Vengeance, Hollywood has once again raped a good storyline to inject its leftist ideals. Sad, quite sad.
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Perhaps you should just stick with Hannity and Colmes for your fiction needs. 😀
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Oh man, what a shot. 😀

How many of you actually saw the episode. Did you know it was played twice back to back where I was watching? 2 times, heavens, doesn't that sound like propagandizing to you?

Please note that the Cylons are holding one of the last contingents of humans alive in a Palestinian refugee camp with all sorts of illegal arrests and detentions and torture and mind games including hiring humans to guard humans and so on, and why? Well to bring them into unity with the Cylons and the one true living Cylon God. There is also all kinds of sex going on, naturally with fantastically beautiful women, both human and machine, and babies being made from removed ovaries. The humans have taken to blowing themselves up to get to those holding them because it profoundly disturbs their religious belief. The effect, and remember we are talking about machines here, not rational human beings, is to begin a pogrom to kill as many humans as it takes to improve moral and stop the suicide bombings.

In short there are no parallels at all to the real world we live in and nothing at all there worth thinking about.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
terrorists = attack civilians
freedom fighters = attack governments in order to over turn them
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So you would say that Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City Federal Building bomber, was a freedom fighter?

Since OBL attacked the pentagon and other government targets, he is a freedom fighter?

I think your logic is flawed . . .

A terrorist is your enemy, a freedom fighter is your friend. It's all about point of view. It has absolutely nothing to do with who is attacked by the party in question.

 
Originally posted by: MAW1082
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
terrorists = attack civilians
freedom fighters = attack governments in order to over turn them
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So you would say that Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City Federal Building bomber, was a freedom fighter?

Since OBL attacked the pentagon and other government targets, he is a freedom fighter?

I think your logic is flawed . . .

A terrorist is your enemy, a freedom fighter is your friend. It's all about point of view. It has absolutely nothing to do with who is attacked by the party in question.
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OBL is actually both. Al-Quada is actually Both.

However, the attacking civilians stains all his actions as Terrorist, especially since he specifically targets civilians. If he stuck to just government targets, the outrage against him would be quite a bit smaller.

Edit: Of course seeing them as Freedom Fighters requires looking at things from their perspective.
 
Battlestar Galactica has really never shown either side in a 100% good or bad light... in fact, Colonel Tigh (the leader of the insurgency) is probably one of the few characters who nearly always get shown in a bad light.
 
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: hellokeith
V for Vengeance, Hollywood has once again raped a good storyline to inject its leftist ideals. Sad, quite sad.
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You're forgetting the 'leftist terrorist ideals' espoused by Mel Gibson in The Patriot, aren't you? The myopia of conservatives never ceases to amaze me. Tell me, how does history remember liberals, and how does it remember conservatives?
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Excellent question. I was going to make a thread about that. Maybe I will someday.
 
You might want to read Ron Moore's blog from 4/1/05 concerning BSG's politics.

http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/

I certainly have my own political views and it would be disingenuous at best to say that there's some kind of firewall between my beliefs and those portrayed on the show. I'm the head writer -- my views and thoughts are on life are on display every week, including my political predilections. However, I don't see the show as a platform to advance my political belief system or my own views on morality.
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I saw nothing "leftist" about BSG, V for Vendetta, or Revenge of the Sith (although I think all the Star Wars prequels are terrible films). They're classical hero themes. The same old stories rehashed over and over again since antiquity, but with fresh new paint jobs.

BSG is some of the most intelligent stuff -- politically -- out there right now.
 
Originally posted by: Rangoric
OBL is actually both. Al-Quada is actually Both.

However, the attacking civilians stains all his actions as Terrorist, especially since he specifically targets civilians. If he stuck to just government targets, the outrage against him would be quite a bit smaller.

Edit: Of course seeing them as Freedom Fighters requires looking at things from their perspective.
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ah, but since civilians are responsible for electing the officials and voting on laws, can't you argue that in a republic or democracy, civilians ARE the government?
 
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