I kind of like the Nissan Leaf...but

[KentState]

Would you just use your wife's car if you needed to drive more than 100 miles? I was thinking about a second car and it almost makes sense to go with a used Civic w/100k and run it into the ground. Buying a new EV or hybrid don't seem to only have an ROI if spread over many years.

 

[Aikouka]

The credit is definitely non-refundable, although it seems to take quite a bit of looking to confirm that.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch37.html

So, essentially it's better to adjust your withholding to take into account the 7.5k?

 

[Budmantom]

I figure I could spend about $270 less a month on gas alone if the figures are correct for recharging this thing.

I don't know, it's just an idea I'm toying with at this point. I'm about as serious as Alkemyst is about buying an M3/Charger/GT-R.

Is Alkemyst looking for a government handout?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Is Alkemyst looking for a government handout?

Do you claim your kids as dependents on your tax return? Or your personal exemption?

Taking advantage of tax incentives is not the same as a government handout. Sorry, you lose...please try again.

 

[Budmantom]

Do you claim your kids as dependents on your tax return? Or your personal exemption?

Taking advantage of tax incentives is not the same as a government handout. Sorry, you lose...please try again.

Government cheese is a handout and this isn't much better.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Government cheese is a handout and this isn't much better.

It's a government based incentive to encourage adoption of alternative fueled vehicles. How exactly is this anywhere even close to a handout?

Yep, those of us who are considering buying cars might actually choose a vehicle like this which will stimulate development of more vehicles like this in a world with dwindling oil supplies and rising fuel costs. The horror.

So, do you claim any exemptions on your tax return? Hypocrite?

 

[manimal]

Government cheese is a handout and this isn't much better.

this isnt ATOT.....

 

[Budmantom]

It's a government based incentive to encourage adoption of alternative fueled vehicles. How exactly is this anywhere even close to a handout?

Yep, those of us who are considering buying cars might actually choose a vehicle like this which will stimulate development of more vehicles like this in a world with dwindling oil supplies and rising fuel costs. The horror.

So, do you claim any exemptions on your tax return? Hypocrite?

Well lets hope that it works out as well as ethanol. It's like a handout because we are the ones that are paying for it, if you like it YOU should buy it.

YOU should stimulate whatever your little green heart desires but it shouldn't be with my tax dollars(perhaps I'm going a bit off topic). Yes we are running out of oil just like we did in the 70's and we are also running out of coal so I hope you have some of those great solar panels.

Only tax benefits that I received this year were on my solar panels and my wind farm.

 

[Budmantom]

this isnt ATOT.....

You are correct.

The Leaf is a POS, buy a Prius it suits your personality a lot better.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Well lets hope that it works out as well as ethanol. It's like a handout because we are the ones that are paying for it, if you like it YOU should buy it.

YOU should stimulate whatever your little green heart desires but it shouldn't be with my tax dollars(perhaps I'm going a bit off topic). Yes we are running out of oil just like we did in the 70's and we are also running out of coal so I hope you have some of those great solar panels.

Only tax benefits that I received this year were on my solar panels and my wind farm.

So, basically you're doing the same thing you are blasting me for even considering.

 

[Budmantom]

So, basically you're doing the same thing you are blasting me for even considering.

I was being facetious, anyway go with the Prius it will tell the world how morally superior you are, imagine how much time you will save by you not having to say that all the time.

 

[AMCRambler]

I vote you buy more literbikes. A few more and you'd be able to form Voltron out of Ducatis. I mean come on! Ducati Voltron!

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Just get rid of it before it needs new batteries... Nissan UK finally let slip after lots of hounding that if you wanted to buy a new battery pack today it would cost you £19,000.

Also don't fast charge it too much, it's hard on the battery and you could end up with <70&#37; capacity in 3 years...

 

[KentState]

I was being facetious, anyway go with the Prius it will tell the world how morally superior you are, imagine how much time you will save by you not having to say that all the time.

Jules has been telling us how morally superior he for years, doesn't need a Prius to accomplish that.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Side note - seems prius drivers fit into one of two categories.

1) The "I own the road and do what I want" category, complete with excessive speeding (what a vehicle to choose for that), weaving in and out of traffic, and just general douche moves. Saw one guy today pass by using the shoulder. Retard.

2) The "I drive slowly to save the planet" category. Driving very slowly, sometimes in the wrong lanes to do so (maybe trying to slow others down to "force" them to "save" the planet too?), doing the whole silly pulse and glide thing (even in heavy rush-hour traffic) causing traffic to bottle up, etc.

I ran across both types today on my way home from work. I rarely see a normal person driving one.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Jules has been telling us how morally superior he for years, doesn't need a Prius to accomplish that.

It amuses me that I continue to get shit for questioning the choices Americans make when it comes to cars. As though it in any way makes me morally superior. My posts are merely observations based on 21 years adult life in SoCal and another 22 in upstate NY.

Hell, my daily driver gets around 20-21mpg and I commute 60 miles a day to and from work. I really wish I could ride my bicycle to work again actually. A guy I work with does that and I'm jealous. He also rides a Triumph 955 and I have done some rides with him.

Moral superiority not found.

 

[Budmantom]

It amuses me that I continue to get shit for questioning the choices Americans make when it comes to cars. As though it in any way makes me morally superior. My posts are merely observations based on 21 years adult life in SoCal and another 22 in upstate NY.

Hell, my daily driver gets around 20-21mpg and I commute 60 miles a day to and from work. I really wish I could ride my bicycle to work again actually. A guy I work with does that and I'm jealous. He also rides a Triumph 955 and I have done some rides with him.

Moral superiority not found.

We live in the US and we STILL have the right to choose whatever vehicle we drive, to a lesser extent in California and the people that drive trucks or other vehicles that you don't approve of don't get tax credits yet you expect/want one to buy your next vehicle.

You exemplify moral superiority in a lot of your posts and the Prius will help people understand who you are. You post 10 times a day about your Ducati.... yeah we get it you got a Ducati(red right?) you must be proud, now go out and buy that Prius and buy a "my other ride is a Ducati" bumper-sticker be sure to be careful as to not throw off your "coexist" sticker.

With the Prius you will have a secure place for your purse(European carry all?) and you can't say that for the Ducati

 

[thomsbrain]

In CA, the base model net cost is barely over $20,000 after rebates. I could buy one and the payment would be completely canceled out by the gas savings, essentially a free new car. Unfortunately, I often need to go more than 100 miles in a day. So it simply is not an option.

 

[Doppel]

So, essentially it's better to adjust your withholding to take into account the 7.5k?

Wouldn't matter. If you have low withholding and end up paying IRS $7500 on April 15 or you had withholding perfectly set and on April 15 don't pay them a penny, as long as your total owe is $7500, you can get this back. If a tax credit is non-refundable it simply means that if your total tax burden is less than the amount you will not get the difference back. If it is refundable and your tax burden is, say, $5,000 and the credit is $7500, the gov will actually pay the $2500 difference back to you.

BTW, this is a government handout, whether it's to Jules or the car manufacturer takes advantage of it. Criticizing a purchaser of the vehicle is difficult, though, as this hand-out is available to all of us if we want a Leaf and frankly the entire economy is totally screwed up in regard to hand outs everywhere anyway, so we're all using them and I don't know a single parent who qualifies for that $1000 child tax credit and sends it back. Or doesn't use the mortgage deduction.

I was being facetious, anyway go with the Prius it will tell the world how morally superior you are, imagine how much time you will save by you not having to say that all the time.

You people need to let this sh*t go. A lot of people drive Priuses without trying to brag how superior they are. Just like a lot of people who ride motorbikes are not trying to be loud ear-splitting douchebags. Envirowhacko arguments made more sense when gas was a buck a gallon, with it nearer to $4 and a Prius costing marginally more than its non-hybrid competition there must be new material.

Nissan UK finally let slip after lots of hounding that if you wanted to buy a new battery pack today it would cost you £19,000.

Link? Wiki says it's $18,000 US. Another link from May 5,2010 (wiki's source is May10,2010) says only $9k. Anyway, it's definitely not 19000 pounds. Fwiw there is also a Nissan battery warranty for 100k, though I don't know if they prorate that or not.

The "I own the road and do what I want" category, complete with excessive speeding

It's actually a great car for that. Who do you think a cop will give a ticket to a guy in a red Mustang GT or a guy in a Prius pretending that he can't believe he was just pulled over and normally he's so responsible?

 

[JulesMaximus]

We live in the US and we STILL have the right to choose whatever vehicle we drive, to a lesser extent in California and the people that drive trucks or other vehicles that you don't approve of don't get tax credits yet you expect/want one to buy your next vehicle.

You exemplify moral superiority in a lot of your posts and the Prius will help people understand who you are. You post 10 times a day about your Ducati.... yeah we get it you got a Ducati(red right?) you must be proud, now go out and buy that Prius and buy a "my other ride is a Ducati" bumper-sticker be sure to be careful as to not throw off your "coexist" sticker.

With the Prius you will have a secure place for your purse(European carry all?) and you can't say that for the Ducati

You're an angry little cur aren't you?

If government wants to incentivise fuel efficient vehicles I have no problem with that. Taking advantage of those incentives is something I would do without hesitation or (LOL) guilt. I find it amusing that you are taking your irrational hatred for fuel efficient vehicles out on me though.

You want to go buy a pickup truck that gets 15mpg with gas prices at $4/gallon, be my guest. $100 per fillup! FREEDOM!!!

By the way, I rode the Ducati in to work today and yesterday, maybe I'll make a thread about it. 45mpg/0-60 in 3.5 seconds...not a literbike.

-President and Founding Father of the Anti-SUV Brigade

 

[LTC8K6]

You want to go buy a pickup truck that gets 15mpg with gas prices at $4/gallon, be my guest.

Oh come on now! Be your guest? :biggrin:

:whiste:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Oh come on now! Be your guest? :biggrin:

:whiste:

My favorite is when people with gas guzzling fullsize suvs complain about how much it costs them to fill up every 3 days.

 

[LTC8K6]

My favorite is when people with gas guzzling fullsize suvs complain about how much it costs them to fill up every 3 days.

Yeah, we should get a discount for bulk purchasing...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Yeah, we should get a discount for bulk purchasing...

Nah, I think you should pay extra!

 

[Budmantom]

You're an angry little cur aren't you?

If government wants to incentivise fuel efficient vehicles I have no problem with that. Taking advantage of those incentives is something I would do without hesitation or (LOL) guilt. I find it amusing that you are taking your irrational hatred for fuel efficient vehicles out on me though.

You want to go buy a pickup truck that gets 15mpg with gas prices at $4/gallon, be my guest. $100 per fillup! FREEDOM!!!

By the way, I rode the Ducati in to work today and yesterday, maybe I'll make a thread about it. 45mpg/0-60 in 3.5 seconds...not a literbike.

-President and Founding Father of the Anti-SUV Brigade

I'm not angry, actually I find it funny that your looking for government cheese and you criticize people that pay for themselves without a government handout.

Unlike you I could careless what people drive, I think we should be responsible to pay for it. **gasp**