I just spoke to a journalist who was in NH...

[artikk]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
His name and news agency shall remain anonymous.

Anyway, he has been on the campaign trail, both in Iowa and most recently in New Hampshire. When not reporting, he likes to use his free time to observe the stump speeches as if a voter himself.

While at a Hillary/Bill speech, he manged to get one of the "Vote for Hillary" signs, moved to the front of the crowd, spoke to Hillary and Bill, and asked if they both would sign his campaign sign. No problem. They agreed and signed it in front of him.

Fast forward to later while attending an Obama speech. He more or less tried to do the same. Got a sign, got to the front of the crowd, and tried to get Obama to sign it. At this request, Obama's campaign staff rushed in and said they would take the sign and have Obama sign it behind stage.

His response? "Yeah, sure you will!"

I just think it interesting that this journalist, who reports for a foreign news agency, who is a foreigner himself, cannot vote in the United States, and is simply an interested observer concluded with the following:

"Obama? So much for change and doing things honestly and openly. While Hillary and Bill had no problem giving me an autograph, Obama chooses to instead rely on his campaign machine to do the job."

He also mentioned, after hearing many speeches by both candidates, that once you get beyond Obama's preechy, Steve Jobs-like marketing vortex, he starts to fall apart on the issues, whereas Hillary clearly speaks from experience and has more command of the subject matter.

On the Republican side, he feels that Romney has some good things to say, whereas he is scared to death of Mike Huckabee. He says he would leave the USA for good should Mike be elected.

Anyway, such was my conversation with a journalist.

As others mentioned, Obama may have had other plans/was busy to sign the sign. There's plenty of unknown variables in the equation. I think the journalist, if indeed there's a journalist as others inferred, made a critical error in judging a candidates's worth/electability based on such a small event/incident.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

why do people talk about hillary having experience when she isn't exactly a political veteran either, unless being a wife of a veteran makes you a veteran. And the idea of hillary being smart than obama is laughable, so is him being groomed by the establishment democrats.

Smarts?

All the candidates, including the current President, are highly intelligent. Politics, however, have NOTHING to do with intelligence.

proof?

I don't know why that won

Is she Rhodes Scholar or Editor of the Havard Law Review smart? Doubt it.

Oh give me break. Harvard is not the epitome of intellect, and neither is the *gasp* Harvard Law Review.

Stop appealing to authority, politicians have enough d**k suckers like you.

Intellect is not defined by academic achievement. Intelligence is a very large spectrum, encompassing a variety of applications and methods. Going to Harvard means zilch in the real world.

it might not mean much, but it shows alot. If it didn't, why would people bother? Also, since when have i ever been a political dicksucker?

Bill Clinton was a RS too. Whoopdyfriggindoo.

who do you think i was talking about :roll:

Is Bush smarter than the average dude? No doubt about it. Is he smarter than the average atpner? probably not.

Do I always position counters with poorly composed questions? Fortunately no.

mad props

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: RichardE


Proof?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

There ya go

I knew he was fulla crap and might even be a closet racist and bigot, but I thought I'd give him a chance to prove he wasn't.

Ohhh snopes, the epitome of final answers.


XD[/quote]

http://www.yaledailynews.com/b...by-fake-yale-official/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/238/

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/cnn-obama-debunk/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703200011

Need anymore?

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: RichardE


Proof?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

There ya go

I knew he was fulla crap and might even be a closet racist and bigot, but I thought I'd give him a chance to prove he wasn't.

Ohhh snopes, the epitome of final answers.


XD

http://www.yaledailynews.com/b...by-fake-yale-official/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/238/

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/cnn-obama-debunk/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703200011

Need anymore?

[/quote]

http://www.insightmag.com/Medi...diaManager/Obama_2.htm

Obama was schooled in a Madrassa in Jakarta for 4 years. His biological father was a muslim, then after he and Obama's mother divorced, she married an Indonesian man ( muslim ). So Im pretty sure that he is very indoctrinated in the muslim religion.

He's been exposed to radical Islam, and grew up in an environment that...while not yet proven to be 100% extremist, certainly possessed the necessary attributes to be one.

Only time will tell.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: RichardE


Proof?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

There ya go

I knew he was fulla crap and might even be a closet racist and bigot, but I thought I'd give him a chance to prove he wasn't.

Ohhh snopes, the epitome of final answers.


XD

http://www.yaledailynews.com/b...by-fake-yale-official/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/238/

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/cnn-obama-debunk/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703200011

Need anymore?

http://www.insightmag.com/Medi...diaManager/Obama_2.htm

Obama was schooled in a Madrassa in Jakarta for 4 years. His biological father was a muslim, then after he and Obama's mother divorced, she married an Indonesian man ( muslim ). So Im pretty sure that he is very indoctrinated in the muslim religion.

He's been exposed to radical Islam, and grew up in an environment that...while not yet proven to be 100% extremist, certainly possessed the necessary attributes to be one.

Only time will tell.

[/quote]

Ah, so you didn't read the links, figures. 🙂

 

[Noobtastic]

Read them. Point?

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Read them. Point?

You're a moron, would be the point....

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: RichardE


Proof?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

There ya go

I knew he was fulla crap and might even be a closet racist and bigot, but I thought I'd give him a chance to prove he wasn't.

Ohhh snopes, the epitome of final answers.


XD

http://www.yaledailynews.com/b...by-fake-yale-official/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/238/

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/cnn-obama-debunk/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703200011

Need anymore?

http://www.insightmag.com/Medi...diaManager/Obama_2.htm

Obama was schooled in a Madrassa in Jakarta for 4 years. His biological father was a muslim, then after he and Obama's mother divorced, she married an Indonesian man ( muslim ). So Im pretty sure that he is very indoctrinated in the muslim religion.

He's been exposed to radical Islam, and grew up in an environment that...while not yet proven to be 100% extremist, certainly possessed the necessary attributes to be one.

Only time will tell.

Well I was going to listen to the people who actually did some research, but now that I know Noobtastic is "pretty sure", that's good enough for me! :roll:

In other words, you have no proof that he was exposed to "radical" anything, and you have no proof that whatever exposure he had to Islam earlier in life has stayed with him. You just have this feeling, or you consulted your Magic 8 Ball or you called the Psychic Hotline or whatever and divined that he's a closet Muslim fanatic.

That's some great work, it's like you're a modern day Edward R. Murrow.

 

[Noobtastic]

Well I was going to listen to the people who actually did some research, but now that I know Noobtastic is "pretty sure", that's good enough for me! :roll:

Heck yes.

In other words, you have no proof that he was exposed to "radical" anything

No, not "in other words." Quote EXACTLY what I said. Here, I'll repeat:

He's been exposed to radical Islam, and grew up in an environment that...while not yet proven to be 100% extremist, certainly possessed the necessary attributes to be one.

Now, the current agenda is Obama is completely and totally without ISLAM. You will be pleasantly surprised to find Obama ommited several key facts in his life and family. Compared to his message of hope, he devotes very little time in elaborating on his younger life and family.

The environment Obama was brought up in was more than capable of ushering radical islamic text, and since he was schooled in a madrasah the chances of being exposed to radical scripture is overwhelming. How many secular madrasahs do you know of?

and you have no proof that whatever exposure he had to Islam earlier in life has stayed with him.

I have proof that he WAS exposed to radical Islam early in life. Of course I have no idea whether or not it has remained, but the fundamentalist track record demonstrated by the most finely skilled muslim radicals is a reasonable classification.

The snopes article doesn't even slightly mention the fact that you he enrolled in a madrasah. That's more than enough reason to, in the least, speculate.

BTW, Radical Muslims are notorious in history for portraying themselves as something they are not, then striking. That's how they operate.

You just have this feeling, or you consulted your Magic 8 Ball or you called the Psychic Hotline or whatever and divined that he's a closet Muslim fanatic.

Ok.

That's some great work, it's like you're a modern day Edward R. Murrow.

I know uh.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Well I was going to listen to the people who actually did some research, but now that I know Noobtastic is "pretty sure", that's good enough for me! :roll:

Heck yes.

In other words, you have no proof that he was exposed to "radical" anything

No, not "in other words." Quote EXACTLY what I said. Here, I'll repeat:

He's been exposed to radical Islam, and grew up in an environment that...while not yet proven to be 100% extremist, certainly possessed the necessary attributes to be one.

Now, the current agenda is Obama is completely and totally without ISLAM. You will be pleasantly surprised to find Obama ommited several key facts in his life and family. Compared to his message of hope, he devotes very little time in elaborating on his younger life and family.

The environment Obama was brought up in was more than capable of ushering radical islamic text, and since he was schooled in a madrasah the chances of being exposed to radical scripture is overwhelming. How many secular madrasahs do you know of?

and you have no proof that whatever exposure he had to Islam earlier in life has stayed with him.

I have proof that he WAS exposed to radical Islam early in life. Of course I have no idea whether or not it has remained, but the fundamentalist track record demonstrated by the most finely skilled muslim radicals is a reasonable classification.

The snopes article doesn't even slightly mention the fact that you he enrolled in a madrasah. That's more than enough reason to, in the least, speculate.

BTW, Radical Muslims are notorious in history for portraying themselves as something they are not, then striking. That's how they operate.

You just have this feeling, or you consulted your Magic 8 Ball or you called the Psychic Hotline or whatever and divined that he's a closet Muslim fanatic.

Ok.

That's some great work, it's like you're a modern day Edward R. Murrow.

I know uh.

fearmongering sad....actually its pathertic prrof without links to reputable sources is not proof at all...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
His name and news agency shall remain anonymous.

Anyway, he has been on the campaign trail, both in Iowa and most recently in New Hampshire. When not reporting, he likes to use his free time to observe the stump speeches as if a voter himself.

While at a Hillary/Bill speech, he manged to get one of the "Vote for Hillary" signs, moved to the front of the crowd, spoke to Hillary and Bill, and asked if they both would sign his campaign sign. No problem. They agreed and signed it in front of him.

Fast forward to later while attending an Obama speech. He more or less tried to do the same. Got a sign, got to the front of the crowd, and tried to get Obama to sign it. At this request, Obama's campaign staff rushed in and said they would take the sign and have Obama sign it behind stage.

His response? "Yeah, sure you will!"

I just think it interesting that this journalist, who reports for a foreign news agency, who is a foreigner himself, cannot vote in the United States, and is simply an interested observer concluded with the following:

"Obama? So much for change and doing things honestly and openly. While Hillary and Bill had no problem giving me an autograph, Obama chooses to instead rely on his campaign machine to do the job."

He also mentioned, after hearing many speeches by both candidates, that once you get beyond Obama's preechy, Steve Jobs-like marketing vortex, he starts to fall apart on the issues, whereas Hillary clearly speaks from experience and has more command of the subject matter.

On the Republican side, he feels that Romney has some good things to say, whereas he is scared to death of Mike Huckabee. He says he would leave the USA for good should Mike be elected.

Anyway, such was my conversation with a journalist.

Another email forward, I got this one too, good job.

Ill put it in the pile of Obama is a closet muslim whose mother is an anthiest and that he agrees to eat babies. Why your allowed to post this trash without a link is beyond me.

Obama is a closet muslim.

Proof?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

There ya go

More bs...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Well I was going to listen to the people who actually did some research, but now that I know Noobtastic is "pretty sure", that's good enough for me! :roll:

Heck yes.

In other words, you have no proof that he was exposed to "radical" anything

No, not "in other words." Quote EXACTLY what I said. Here, I'll repeat:

He's been exposed to radical Islam, and grew up in an environment that...while not yet proven to be 100% extremist, certainly possessed the necessary attributes to be one.

Now, the current agenda is Obama is completely and totally without ISLAM. You will be pleasantly surprised to find Obama ommited several key facts in his life and family. Compared to his message of hope, he devotes very little time in elaborating on his younger life and family.

The environment Obama was brought up in was more than capable of ushering radical islamic text, and since he was schooled in a madrasah the chances of being exposed to radical scripture is overwhelming. How many secular madrasahs do you know of?

and you have no proof that whatever exposure he had to Islam earlier in life has stayed with him.

I have proof that he WAS exposed to radical Islam early in life. Of course I have no idea whether or not it has remained, but the fundamentalist track record demonstrated by the most finely skilled muslim radicals is a reasonable classification.

The snopes article doesn't even slightly mention the fact that you he enrolled in a madrasah. That's more than enough reason to, in the least, speculate.

BTW, Radical Muslims are notorious in history for portraying themselves as something they are not, then striking. That's how they operate.

You just have this feeling, or you consulted your Magic 8 Ball or you called the Psychic Hotline or whatever and divined that he's a closet Muslim fanatic.

Ok.

That's some great work, it's like you're a modern day Edward R. Murrow.

I know uh.

Trust me, Noobtastic, is the real radical out to destroy America's chance to have a great President. He's a traitor and a danger to the nation. You can tell just by the way he uses words and has no capacity to think.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
His name and news agency shall remain anonymous.

Anyway, he has been on the campaign trail, both in Iowa and most recently in New Hampshire. When not reporting, he likes to use his free time to observe the stump speeches as if a voter himself.

While at a Hillary/Bill speech, he manged to get one of the "Vote for Hillary" signs, moved to the front of the crowd, spoke to Hillary and Bill, and asked if they both would sign his campaign sign. No problem. They agreed and signed it in front of him.

Fast forward to later while attending an Obama speech. He more or less tried to do the same. Got a sign, got to the front of the crowd, and tried to get Obama to sign it. At this request, Obama's campaign staff rushed in and said they would take the sign and have Obama sign it behind stage.

His response? "Yeah, sure you will!"

I just think it interesting that this journalist, who reports for a foreign news agency, who is a foreigner himself, cannot vote in the United States, and is simply an interested observer concluded with the following:

"Obama? So much for change and doing things honestly and openly. While Hillary and Bill had no problem giving me an autograph, Obama chooses to instead rely on his campaign machine to do the job."

He also mentioned, after hearing many speeches by both candidates, that once you get beyond Obama's preechy, Steve Jobs-like marketing vortex, he starts to fall apart on the issues, whereas Hillary clearly speaks from experience and has more command of the subject matter.

On the Republican side, he feels that Romney has some good things to say, whereas he is scared to death of Mike Huckabee. He says he would leave the USA for good should Mike be elected.

Anyway, such was my conversation with a journalist.

Another email forward, I got this one too, good job.

Ill put it in the pile of Obama is a closet muslim whose mother is an anthiest and that he agrees to eat babies. Why your allowed to post this trash without a link is beyond me.

Obama is a closet muslim.

Proof?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

There ya go

More bs...

Noob is a member of a terrorist cell that fabricated that web site.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Well I was going to listen to the people who actually did some research, but now that I know Noobtastic is "pretty sure", that's good enough for me! :roll:

Heck yes.

In other words, you have no proof that he was exposed to "radical" anything

No, not "in other words." Quote EXACTLY what I said. Here, I'll repeat:

He's been exposed to radical Islam, and grew up in an environment that...while not yet proven to be 100% extremist, certainly possessed the necessary attributes to be one.

Now, the current agenda is Obama is completely and totally without ISLAM. You will be pleasantly surprised to find Obama ommited several key facts in his life and family. Compared to his message of hope, he devotes very little time in elaborating on his younger life and family.

The environment Obama was brought up in was more than capable of ushering radical islamic text, and since he was schooled in a madrasah the chances of being exposed to radical scripture is overwhelming. How many secular madrasahs do you know of?

and you have no proof that whatever exposure he had to Islam earlier in life has stayed with him.

I have proof that he WAS exposed to radical Islam early in life. Of course I have no idea whether or not it has remained, but the fundamentalist track record demonstrated by the most finely skilled muslim radicals is a reasonable classification.

The snopes article doesn't even slightly mention the fact that you he enrolled in a madrasah. That's more than enough reason to, in the least, speculate.

BTW, Radical Muslims are notorious in history for portraying themselves as something they are not, then striking. That's how they operate.

You just have this feeling, or you consulted your Magic 8 Ball or you called the Psychic Hotline or whatever and divined that he's a closet Muslim fanatic.

Ok.

That's some great work, it's like you're a modern day Edward R. Murrow.

I know uh.

Trust me, Noobtastic, is the real radical out to destroy America's chance to have a great President. He's a traitor and a danger to the nation. You can tell just by the way he uses words and has no capacity to think.

I'm no stranger to sarcasm...😀

 

[kedlav]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
His name and news agency shall remain anonymous.

Anyway, he has been on the campaign trail, both in Iowa and most recently in New Hampshire. When not reporting, he likes to use his free time to observe the stump speeches as if a voter himself.

While at a Hillary/Bill speech, he manged to get one of the "Vote for Hillary" signs, moved to the front of the crowd, spoke to Hillary and Bill, and asked if they both would sign his campaign sign. No problem. They agreed and signed it in front of him.

Fast forward to later while attending an Obama speech. He more or less tried to do the same. Got a sign, got to the front of the crowd, and tried to get Obama to sign it. At this request, Obama's campaign staff rushed in and said they would take the sign and have Obama sign it behind stage.

His response? "Yeah, sure you will!"

I just think it interesting that this journalist, who reports for a foreign news agency, who is a foreigner himself, cannot vote in the United States, and is simply an interested observer concluded with the following:

"Obama? So much for change and doing things honestly and openly. While Hillary and Bill had no problem giving me an autograph, Obama chooses to instead rely on his campaign machine to do the job."

He also mentioned, after hearing many speeches by both candidates, that once you get beyond Obama's preechy, Steve Jobs-like marketing vortex, he starts to fall apart on the issues, whereas Hillary clearly speaks from experience and has more command of the subject matter.

On the Republican side, he feels that Romney has some good things to say, whereas he is scared to death of Mike Huckabee. He says he would leave the USA for good should Mike be elected.

Anyway, such was my conversation with a journalist.

Or the dude has carpal tunnel. Waaaaaaaaaaaaah, some dude didn't autograph my sign, he's a traditional Washington paper-pushing bureaucrat!

 

[spittledip]

Nothing like living outside the US to get a better grasp of the nature of life within the US. After reading this thread (and the links contained within) i feel even more comfortable with Obama as a president.

Obviously, like others have noted, the validity and relevance of the OP is questionable.

Also, as mentioned but not in as strong words, hillary's experience as First Lady is much different than experience as a true elected official b/c there are no real responsiblities as first lady. The responsibilities a First Lady takes on are all of her own choosing, and as such, there is little pressure and demand from others to fulfill specific obligations. Being First Lady is not a real job, folks. I.E. it is not any where the same as the experience a true elected official gets. Obama actually has more experience than she does. she only has more experience sleeping in the White House and telling White house orderlies what to do.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Well I was going to listen to the people who actually did some research, but now that I know Noobtastic is "pretty sure", that's good enough for me! :roll:

Heck yes.

In other words, you have no proof that he was exposed to "radical" anything

No, not "in other words." Quote EXACTLY what I said. Here, I'll repeat:

He's been exposed to radical Islam, and grew up in an environment that...while not yet proven to be 100% extremist, certainly possessed the necessary attributes to be one.

Now, the current agenda is Obama is completely and totally without ISLAM. You will be pleasantly surprised to find Obama ommited several key facts in his life and family. Compared to his message of hope, he devotes very little time in elaborating on his younger life and family.

The environment Obama was brought up in was more than capable of ushering radical islamic text, and since he was schooled in a madrasah the chances of being exposed to radical scripture is overwhelming. How many secular madrasahs do you know of?

and you have no proof that whatever exposure he had to Islam earlier in life has stayed with him.

I have proof that he WAS exposed to radical Islam early in life. Of course I have no idea whether or not it has remained, but the fundamentalist track record demonstrated by the most finely skilled muslim radicals is a reasonable classification.

The snopes article doesn't even slightly mention the fact that you he enrolled in a madrasah. That's more than enough reason to, in the least, speculate.

BTW, Radical Muslims are notorious in history for portraying themselves as something they are not, then striking. That's how they operate.

You just have this feeling, or you consulted your Magic 8 Ball or you called the Psychic Hotline or whatever and divined that he's a closet Muslim fanatic.

Ok.

That's some great work, it's like you're a modern day Edward R. Murrow.

I know uh.

The part I bolded would seem to be the central point in your argument, and also the most confusing. Who cares what radical Muslims are doing, what exactly has Obama done to make such a classification anything more than a cheap political stunt? He went to an Islamic religious school when he was younger? Big deal, they aren't all terrorist breeding grounds. And even if his school was bad, you still have nothing to indicate he believes any of what you think was taught there. I went to Catholic school for many years as a kid, I'm not the least bit Catholic today.

And your assertion that he's just good at hiding his beliefs is retarded. That's like asking someone if they are a communist and when they answer "no", you say, "yeah, but a COMMUNIST would say that too!". I have to believe you're just screwing around, as retarded as this whole conversation is...

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: spittledip
Being First Lady is not a real job, folks. I.E. it is not any where the same as the experience a true elected official gets. Obama actually has more experience than she does. she only has more experience sleeping in the White House and telling White house orderlies what to do.

She was pretty heavily involved in policy advocacy during those 8 years in the whitehouse. She wasn't just telling the orderlies what to do. She also has 6 years spent in the US Senate compared to Obama's less than 2 years at that level.

 

[Noobtastic]

The part I bolded would seem to be the central point in your argument, and also the most confusing.

Why?

Who cares what radical Muslims are doing, what exactly has Obama done to make such a classification anything more than a cheap political stunt?

I'm just making an observation. Muslim fundamentalism is NOT like Christian fundamentalism. It is sneaky, it is in the dark. The movers and shakers don't protest funerals or openly state their affiliation.

He went to an Islamic religious school when he was younger? Big deal, they aren't all terrorist breeding grounds.

Yes they are. Jakarta is just icing on the cake.

And even if his school was bad, you still have nothing to indicate he believes any of what you think was taught there.

That's irrelevant. All we know is that he attended the school and he may have been taught [insert text here]. The fact that those sources listed by various members don't even recognize this fact is DISTURBING. I'm not trying to start a smear campaign, but I don't like it when people tell others they are being stupid or racist for stating facts.

I am not being partisan either.

I went to Catholic school for many years as a kid, I'm not the least bit Catholic today.
[q/]

Point?

And your assertion that he's just good at hiding his beliefs is retarded.

"Just good." Geez, now you are really confusing me. I didn't state he was good at hiding his beliefs or if he was hiding anything, only that islamic history is notorious for the "stab you in the back" mentality. Love your brother, hate your brother.

That's like asking someone if they are a communist and when they answer "no", you say, "yeah, but a COMMUNIST would say that too!".

No it's not.

I have to believe you're just screwing around, as retarded as this whole conversation is...

Retarded? I suggest expanding your vocabulary.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: spittledip
Being First Lady is not a real job, folks. I.E. it is not any where the same as the experience a true elected official gets. Obama actually has more experience than she does. she only has more experience sleeping in the White House and telling White house orderlies what to do.

She was pretty heavily involved in policy advocacy during those 8 years in the whitehouse. She wasn't just telling the orderlies what to do. She also has 6 years spent in the US Senate compared to Obama's less than 2 years at that level.

being involved in policy advocacy is not like being the president of the US or like being an elected official. Being an elected official is much more complex and demanding.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: spittledip
Being First Lady is not a real job, folks. I.E. it is not any where the same as the experience a true elected official gets. Obama actually has more experience than she does. she only has more experience sleeping in the White House and telling White house orderlies what to do.

She was pretty heavily involved in policy advocacy during those 8 years in the whitehouse. She wasn't just telling the orderlies what to do. She also has 6 years spent in the US Senate compared to Obama's less than 2 years at that level.

being involved in policy advocacy is not like being the president of the US or like being an elected official.

no, but as Gloria Steinem pointed out, her 8 years in the whitehouse can be considered as excellent on the job training for becoming the next President of the USA.

Originally posted by: spittledip
Being an elected official is much more complex and demanding.

but doesn't Hillary have 6 years spent in the US Senate..? Compare with Obama's less than 2 years (most of which were spent preparing for his presidential bid). if you compare the wikipedia entries for Hillary versus Obama, I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that Obama has more experience in general. In some areas he has a glaring deficiency of experience - for example in the area of foreign policy. His inexperience shows, he has made some pretty crazy blunders already, like when he advocated air strikes on Pakistan.

 

[spittledip]

Obama was in the State Senate from 1996 to 2004 and in US Senate from 2004 on.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: spittledip
Obama was in the State Senate from 1996 to 2004 and in US Senate from 2004 on.

Yeah but everyone's in the state senate.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

The part I bolded would seem to be the central point in your argument, and also the most confusing.

Why?

Who cares what radical Muslims are doing, what exactly has Obama done to make such a classification anything more than a cheap political stunt?

I'm just making an observation. Muslim fundamentalism is NOT like Christian fundamentalism. It is sneaky, it is in the dark. The movers and shakers don't protest funerals or openly state their affiliation.

So what? We're talking about one guy in particular here, I'm not sure what talking about Muslim fundamentalism in general has to do with anything. By your logic, EVERYONE should be suspected of being a Muslim fundamentalist if they are so good at hiding it.

And in any case, your characterization of Islamic fundamentalists couldn't be more false. They DON'T hide in the shadows and they DON'T play down their beliefs. Hell, they run police states and blow people up...how much more open about their beliefs could they possibly be?

He went to an Islamic religious school when he was younger? Big deal, they aren't all terrorist breeding grounds.

Yes they are. Jakarta is just icing on the cake.

And even if his school was bad, you still have nothing to indicate he believes any of what you think was taught there.

That's irrelevant. All we know is that he attended the school and he may have been taught [insert text here]. The fact that those sources listed by various members don't even recognize this fact is DISTURBING. I'm not trying to start a smear campaign, but I don't like it when people tell others they are being stupid or racist for stating facts.

I am not being partisan either.

Of course you're trying to start a smear campaign. You don't really have anything on Obama (as you freely admit), so you try to use innuendo to suggest something negative about him. It's the perfect attack, actually, because you really AREN'T saying anything about Obama in particular, except your first crack about him being a "closet Muslim". You're just saying his name and "Muslim fundamentalism" and "may have been taught extremist beliefs" together as many times as possible in the hopes that people will link those things in their mind.

And of course you're being partisan. There is no evidence to suggest Obama has ANY extremist leanings, this is the biggest non-issue of the campaign. The only reason you bring stuff like this up is to smear him.
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I went to Catholic school for many years as a kid, I'm not the least bit Catholic today.

Point? [/quote]

I would think that was obvious. I disagree about what kind of ideology Obama was exposed to (since you have no proof at all of any exposure to extremist beliefs), but even if he DID have some exposure to extreme religious beliefs, that doesn't mean he actually agrees with them or was influenced by them. By way of comparison, I pointed out that it would be equally ridiculous to try and prove that I'm a "closet Catholic" by pointing out that I went to Catholic school when I was younger.
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And your assertion that he's just good at hiding his beliefs is retarded.

"Just good." Geez, now you are really confusing me. I didn't state he was good at hiding his beliefs or if he was hiding anything, only that islamic history is notorious for the "stab you in the back" mentality. Love your brother, hate your brother.
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No kidding you're not saying anything of substance. But that's how the best smears work, isn't it? You get to try to make your point and yet play innocent at the same time. The problem with innuendo is that saying something without saying it is usually just as obvious as if you explicitly said something. Of course you're trying to suggest something about Obama...otherwise your point about "Islamic history" is pretty nonsensical in the context of a discussion about Obama's beliefs.

Consider, for example, if I said, "I know Noobtastic doesn't act like a serial rapist, but serial rapists are very good at being sneaky about what they do." Now don't you think a reasonable person would think I was suggesting you are a serial rapist?
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That's like asking someone if they are a communist and when they answer "no", you say, "yeah, but a COMMUNIST would say that too!".

No it's not. [/quote]

Yeah, it really is. We're discussing Obama here, not Islamic fundamentalism in general. Who gives a shit what they do or don't do? The ONLY reason to bring it up is so you can suggest that Obama is an Islamic fundamentalist. And the part about Islamic fundamentalists being "sneaky" just proves my point. You aren't nearly as clever as you think you are, you are obviously trying to make a point here, and it's hard to make a point and NOT say anything at the same time.

But I could be reading you wrong, so if that's the case, why repeatedly bring up what Islamic fundamentalists do when the initial discussion started with you making a specific accusation that Obama is a "closet Muslim"?
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I have to believe you're just screwing around, as retarded as this whole conversation is...

Retarded? I suggest expanding your vocabulary.
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I have a fine vocabulary, but talking to you makes one particular word flash in big red letters in my mind.

 

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WHY do you guys pay attention to "noobtastic"?

"Obama is a closet muslim"? First off, who the fuck cares? Second off, nobody with a brain believes that.