I just spoke to a journalist who was in NH...

GTaudiophile

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His name and news agency shall remain anonymous.

Anyway, he has been on the campaign trail, both in Iowa and most recently in New Hampshire. When not reporting, he likes to use his free time to observe the stump speeches as if a voter himself.

While at a Hillary/Bill speech, he manged to get one of the "Vote for Hillary" signs, moved to the front of the crowd, spoke to Hillary and Bill, and asked if they both would sign his campaign sign. No problem. They agreed and signed it in front of him.

Fast forward to later while attending an Obama speech. He more or less tried to do the same. Got a sign, got to the front of the crowd, and tried to get Obama to sign it. At this request, Obama's campaign staff rushed in and said they would take the sign and have Obama sign it behind stage.

His response? "Yeah, sure you will!"

I just think it interesting that this journalist, who reports for a foreign news agency, who is a foreigner himself, cannot vote in the United States, and is simply an interested observer concluded with the following:

"Obama? So much for change and doing things honestly and openly. While Hillary and Bill had no problem giving me an autograph, Obama chooses to instead rely on his campaign machine to do the job."

He also mentioned, after hearing many speeches by both candidates, that once you get beyond Obama's preechy, Steve Jobs-like marketing vortex, he starts to fall apart on the issues, whereas Hillary clearly speaks from experience and has more command of the subject matter.

On the Republican side, he feels that Romney has some good things to say, whereas he is scared to death of Mike Huckabee. He says he would leave the USA for good should Mike be elected.

Anyway, such was my conversation with a journalist.

 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
whereas he is scared to death of Mike Huckabee.

That's the only point we're in complete agreement on. :thumbsup:

There was a recent, rather embarrassing story from Iowa. Apparently a husband had Bill sign a U.S. Dollar Bill for him, then went to get Hillary to do the same. She declined, citing that it was "illegal" to do that.
 

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While I believe this was a pretty weak attempt to formulate an opinion on the candidates, I have no doubt that Obama has a weak grasp on the issues. If he gets nominated, I think he'll fall on his face when he's hit up for policy details. I guess it's the way it is when you were selected and groomed by the party machine for your skin color and speaking skills, as opposed to your intelligence and political abilities.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
whereas he is scared to death of Mike Huckabee.

That's the only point we're in complete agreement on. :thumbsup:

There was a recent, rather embarrassing story from Iowa. Apparently a husband had Bill sign a U.S. Dollar Bill for him, then went to get Hillary to do the same. She declined, citing that it was "illegal" to do that.

Yeah but that technically is against the law isn't it?

Somehow I could see this being the top story on Drudge about how Hillary hates the US treasury if she were to sign it.
 

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
While I believe this was a pretty weak attempt to formulate an opinion on the candidates, I have no doubt that Obama has a weak grasp on the issues. If he gets nominated, I think he'll fall on his face when he's hit up for policy details. I guess it's the way it is when you were selected and groomed by the party machine for your skin color and speaking skills, as opposed to your intelligence and political abilities.

Because Obama lacks intelligence and political abilities?
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
While I believe this was a pretty weak attempt to formulate an opinion on the candidates, I have no doubt that Obama has a weak grasp on the issues. If he gets nominated, I think he'll fall on his face when he's hit up for policy details. I guess it's the way it is when you were selected and groomed by the party machine for your skin color and speaking skills, as opposed to your intelligence and political abilities.

You're questioning the intelligence of the editor of the harvard law review? um...
 

nageov3t

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Steve Jobs-like marketing vortex

I've never heard that comparison before and I kinda like it.

I know I've spammed for Hillary and McCain at various points in my forum tenure, and I've have no problem voting for Obama in the general election if he's up against other than McCain, but sometimes it does seem like Obama is all fluff and no substance, whereas Hillary might be the opposite... she seems to be at her most natural when she's delivering boring policy speeches, but sometimes people want meat and potatoes.

I think the D primary is really going to come down to an entree vs dessert.
 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
While I believe this was a pretty weak attempt to formulate an opinion on the candidates, I have no doubt that Obama has a weak grasp on the issues. If he gets nominated, I think he'll fall on his face when he's hit up for policy details. I guess it's the way it is when you were selected and groomed by the party machine for your skin color and speaking skills, as opposed to your intelligence and political abilities.

Because Obama lacks intelligence and political abilities?

His political and executive abilities are a great unknown. The presidency isnt the best place to test those skills out.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Yeah but that technically is against the law isn't it?

Yes, it is technically illegal. She was right about that. But the fact that Bill had signed it a few hours before with not so much as a second thought...

Somehow I could see this being the top story on Drudge about how Hillary hates the US treasury if she were to sign it.

:laugh:
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
His name and news agency shall remain anonymous.

Anyway, he has been on the campaign trail, both in Iowa and most recently in New Hampshire. When not reporting, he likes to use his free time to observe the stump speeches as if a voter himself.

While at a Hillary/Bill speech, he manged to get one of the "Vote for Hillary" signs, moved to the front of the crowd, spoke to Hillary and Bill, and asked if they both would sign his campaign sign. No problem. They agreed and signed it in front of him.

Fast forward to later while attending an Obama speech. He more or less tried to do the same. Got a sign, got to the front of the crowd, and tried to get Obama to sign it. At this request, Obama's campaign staff rushed in and said they would take the sign and have Obama sign it behind stage.

His response? "Yeah, sure you will!"

I just think it interesting that this journalist, who reports for a foreign news agency, who is a foreigner himself, cannot vote in the United States, and is simply an interested observer concluded with the following:

"Obama? So much for change and doing things honestly and openly. While Hillary and Bill had no problem giving me an autograph, Obama chooses to instead rely on his campaign machine to do the job."

He also mentioned, after hearing many speeches by both candidates, that once you get beyond Obama's preechy, Steve Jobs-like marketing vortex, he starts to fall apart on the issues, whereas Hillary clearly speaks from experience and has more command of the subject matter.

On the Republican side, he feels that Romney has some good things to say, whereas he is scared to death of Mike Huckabee. He says he would leave the USA for good should Mike be elected.

Anyway, such was my conversation with a journalist.

i agree with that. all he says is hope change vote for me!!! but where is the beef? what are you going to change? how are you going to change "it"? how much is it going to cost? what are his goals??????

 

nageov3t

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you might disagree with Hillary on every issue there is, but at least she's not shy about giving you her 5-point plan and TPS reports.
 

magomago

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TPS reports =-=

I won't mind voting for an "inexperienced" candidate...there is something about spending too many years in Washington that I don't like because it changes most politicians.

That said - Obama's lack of "experience" means absolutely nothing to me. I've seen over the years that loads of experience means nothing. Bush surrounded himself with these "veterens" yet, in my mind, it did not help. I'm interested in seeing Obama's real character because he has nothing to really judge him on...and thus far it is one that makes me say "nice..."
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: magomago

That said - Obama's lack of "experience" means absolutely nothing to me. I've seen over the years that loads of experience means nothing.

That said, would you, as a member of the board of directors of a Fortune 500 company hire someone fresh out of business school to be the CEO? I think the shareholders might have a problem with that. So why is it a good idea for the ultimate CEO job?

I wouldn't hire a waitress or secretary without experience and yet somehow we're ready to declare that experience is useless as long as the person is smart and has good judgment?
 

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if there is one thing clinton knows, it's pressing the flesh.
 

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: magomago

That said - Obama's lack of "experience" means absolutely nothing to me. I've seen over the years that loads of experience means nothing.

That said, would you, as a member of the board of directors of a Fortune 500 company hire someone fresh out of business school to be the CEO? I think the shareholders might have a problem with that. So why is it a good idea for the ultimate CEO job?

I wouldn't hire a waitress or secretary without experience and yet somehow we're ready to declare that experience is useless as long as the person is smart and has good judgment?

ehhh...

It happens often in the world of big business that massively experienced CEOs turn out to be horrible candidates.

Roman Ross for CompUSA comes to mind as a recent, pertinent example. What about Jack Welch's blunders with the EU Trade Commission.

Experience means something, absolutely, but there's a lot more to the game.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
While I believe this was a pretty weak attempt to formulate an opinion on the candidates, I have no doubt that Obama has a weak grasp on the issues. If he gets nominated, I think he'll fall on his face when he's hit up for policy details. I guess it's the way it is when you were selected and groomed by the party machine for your skin color and speaking skills, as opposed to your intelligence and political abilities.

Because Obama lacks intelligence and political abilities?

His political and executive abilities are a great unknown. The presidency isnt the best place to test those skills out.

Yes, and President who has entered the White House was able to carry with him the experience to guide the most wealthy country in the world, with the largest bureaucracy, military, and government. Their Congressional positions, or governor positions of states a faction of the size (IRS, law enforcement...etc), with almost no foreign relations, with no military (other than NG), no control over the world's largest economy (CA might be better, marginally), and no party leadership as large, makes them instantly qualified and able to do the job?

Wow...what a naive view of the situation to think that *anybody* is not tested when being President. And to think that Hillary would be better is even more naive, since she's only a junior senator for a marginally longer amount of time than Obama. Her First Wife position doesn't even begin to qualify her, as she wasn't even a major function of the government first hand.
 

nageov3t

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I don't think the point of the OP was about Obama's lack of experience, but rather, his lack of any solid details or clear plans about how he's going to get what he wants accomplished.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: teclis1023
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: magomago

That said - Obama's lack of "experience" means absolutely nothing to me. I've seen over the years that loads of experience means nothing.

That said, would you, as a member of the board of directors of a Fortune 500 company hire someone fresh out of business school to be the CEO? I think the shareholders might have a problem with that. So why is it a good idea for the ultimate CEO job?

I wouldn't hire a waitress or secretary without experience and yet somehow we're ready to declare that experience is useless as long as the person is smart and has good judgment?

ehhh...

It happens often in the world of big business that massively experienced CEOs turn out to be horrible candidates.

Roman Ross for CompUSA comes to mind as a recent, pertinent example. What about Jack Welch's blunders with the EU Trade Commission.

Experience means something, absolutely, but there's a lot more to the game.

I'm slightly playing devil's advocate, I think Obama's got the chops for the job. I just don't think people should throw around "experience is meaningless" considering how we require it for jobs a lot less demanding than president.

I did see that in NH, they asked what the most important qualities of the candidates were and the results were 1) agent of change and 2) experience. Of those who said change, obama beat clinton something like 50-30. Of those who said experience was most important Clinton won 70-5.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I don't think the point of the OP was about Obama's lack of experience, but rather, his lack of any solid details or clear plans about how he's going to get what he wants accomplished.

If you read his book it's all there.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: loki8481
I don't think the point of the OP was about Obama's lack of experience, but rather, his lack of any solid details or clear plans about how he's going to get what he wants accomplished.

If you read his book it's all there.

I'm not paying Obama twenty bucks to find out why he should get my vote :p
 

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
... he starts to fall apart on the issues...

what is there to figure out for him on issues? he is super left wing, i think we can figure out what he wants to do

raise taxes on "the rich"
increase welfare
lower defense spending
open borders
amnesty for illegals
etc
etc
etc
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
His name and news agency shall remain anonymous.

Anyway, he has been on the campaign trail, both in Iowa and most recently in New Hampshire. When not reporting, he likes to use his free time to observe the stump speeches as if a voter himself.

While at a Hillary/Bill speech, he manged to get one of the "Vote for Hillary" signs, moved to the front of the crowd, spoke to Hillary and Bill, and asked if they both would sign his campaign sign. No problem. They agreed and signed it in front of him.

Fast forward to later while attending an Obama speech. He more or less tried to do the same. Got a sign, got to the front of the crowd, and tried to get Obama to sign it. At this request, Obama's campaign staff rushed in and said they would take the sign and have Obama sign it behind stage.

His response? "Yeah, sure you will!"

I just think it interesting that this journalist, who reports for a foreign news agency, who is a foreigner himself, cannot vote in the United States, and is simply an interested observer concluded with the following:

"Obama? So much for change and doing things honestly and openly. While Hillary and Bill had no problem giving me an autograph, Obama chooses to instead rely on his campaign machine to do the job."

He also mentioned, after hearing many speeches by both candidates, that once you get beyond Obama's preechy, Steve Jobs-like marketing vortex, he starts to fall apart on the issues, whereas Hillary clearly speaks from experience and has more command of the subject matter.

On the Republican side, he feels that Romney has some good things to say, whereas he is scared to death of Mike Huckabee. He says he would leave the USA for good should Mike be elected.

Anyway, such was my conversation with a journalist.

It`s a sad day when people take what you just posted at factual.......
Anybody could make something like that up and they claim they cannot divulge name and news agency!!
His name and news agency shall remain anonymous.



This belongs in the OT forums.....it`s niether news nor factual....

links please...ahh...I foprgot--- His name and news agency shall remain anonymous.


rofl!!
 

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
-snip

I just think it interesting that this journalist, who reports for a foreign news agency, who is a foreigner himself, cannot vote in the United States, and is simply an interested observer concluded with the following:

"Obama? So much for change and doing things honestly and openly. While Hillary and Bill had no problem giving me an autograph, Obama chooses to instead rely on his campaign machine to do the job."
I am a little confused here. I understand the he may have formed his opinions based upon more than just these individual speeches, but what relevance does "sign" signing have with the candidates qualities?
Is your acquiantance "in the know" regarding the schedules of the candidates?

Is it probable that Obama had some business to take care of off stage instead of smiling in front of a constiuent?

Or maybe I am just misunderstanding the thrust of this story.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
... he starts to fall apart on the issues...

what is there to figure out for him on issues? he is super left wing, i think we can figure out what he wants to do

raise taxes on "the rich"
increase welfare
lower defense spending
open borders
amnesty for illegals
etc
etc
etc

I thought that was just regular left wing.

 

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
While I believe this was a pretty weak attempt to formulate an opinion on the candidates, I have no doubt that Obama has a weak grasp on the issues. If he gets nominated, I think he'll fall on his face when he's hit up for policy details. I guess it's the way it is when you were selected and groomed by the party machine for your skin color and speaking skills, as opposed to your intelligence and political abilities.

You're questioning the intelligence of the editor of the harvard law review? um...

The RNC is starting its smear machine in case Obama is nominated. Ignore it.