I just saw Fight Club for the first time...

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Mrvile

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YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
FYI

You don't have to start a thread each time you see an older movie that pretty much everyone has seen before :p

Donnie Darko
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=2018548&enterthread=y

Requiem for a Dream
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=2016182&enterthread=y

Se7en
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=2015177&enterthread=y

Yay someone finally noticed a trend! :D

That's what I'm here for... trends.
 
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"Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy ****** we don't need." :thumbsup:
Tyler's brand of minimalism > The bling-bling I-want-more-stuff culture

Please explain to me how onlookers would be inspired by someone beating himself up, and then would go on to create this huge fight club
Tyler had awesome people skills. When people saw scrawny Ed Norton give himself a bloody jaw and enjoy the 'release' of all that pent up pain & aggression, it must have tripped them out. Besides, it all started outside a bar and drunks are unpredictable and always game for new, amusing things to do.

'Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep.'

Disgruntled low-wage workers getting drunk late at night - you can see why they might find Jack/Tyler beating himself up amusing and might be willing to try it themselves.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: skywhr
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Oh yeah, the movie made A LOT of sense? Please explain to me how onlookers would be inspired by someone beating himself up, and then would go on to create this huge fight club. On the contrary, the movie made NO sense. It was just an awful movie that tried to force a twist at the end that made no sense. Awful and dumb as sh!t. Seven was MUCH better.

You missed the entire point of the movie. It is outstanding social commentary, and offers some excellent insight on the human condition. Back to grade school for you.

ridiculous, it offers nothing, let alone insight


You missed the entire point of the movie

No I didn't.

The movie is about the Pussification of Males and regaining "Manhood". It's about destroying the Society that has become a factory of PC Manhood Pussification. The movie Assumes that "Manhood" is about Toughness and that lost "Manhood" needs to be regained through unorthodox means, pummelling each other and enjoying the pain therein.

It's an appeal to a Baser emotions in Males, especially hormonally unbalanced young Males. It's an appeal to the same sets of Male emotions as that which the Suicide Bombers and 9/11 Hijackers drew on to commit themselves to unnatural acts of aggression.

By no means do I suggest that FC inspires acts of Violence, to do so would be to give the movie more credit than it deserves. The movie is on par with a Bruce Lee movie or Red Dawn.

What's good about FC is the acting. It is very well done. The story sucks though.
 

MustangSVT

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the ending doesnt make sense. because as soon as he realized he didnt kill himself, tyler should come back.

that's why in the book, he doesn't miss ;)
 

AkumaX

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OP, Ed Norton has Insomnia. That's when Brad Pitt comes out. He shot himself in the cheek to wake himself up.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: sandorski

No I didn't.

The movie is about the Pussification of Males and regaining "Manhood". It's about destroying the Society that has become a factory of PC Manhood Pussification. The movie Assumes that "Manhood" is about Toughness and that lost "Manhood" needs to be regained through unorthodox means, pummelling each other and enjoying the pain therein.

It's an appeal to a Baser emotions in Males, especially hormonally unbalanced young Males. It's an appeal to the same sets of Male emotions as that which the Suicide Bombers and 9/11 Hijackers drew on to commit themselves to unnatural acts of aggression.

By no means do I suggest that FC inspires acts of Violence, to do so would be to give the movie more credit than it deserves. The movie is on par with a Bruce Lee movie or Red Dawn.

What's good about FC is the acting. It is very well done. The story sucks though.

Your analysis of the movie sucks. Don't try impose your own views on it.

The way you described it reminds me of an analysis of the cold war done by a gay dude. He was saying that the underlying motivation was to build bigger missiles, because missiles look like penises. And he who can build the biggest missile (he who has the biggest penis) wins the war. Of course, this analysis was completely off the wall, but it's not surprising that an overly emotional, irrational, extremely liberal gay dude is going to see dick everywhere he looks.

Also, read the reviews of Top Gun made by the same type of people. You'll see the same theme. They're always rebelling against the thought of acting like a normal man, because they're not.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: sandorski

No I didn't.

The movie is about the Pussification of Males and regaining "Manhood". It's about destroying the Society that has become a factory of PC Manhood Pussification. The movie Assumes that "Manhood" is about Toughness and that lost "Manhood" needs to be regained through unorthodox means, pummelling each other and enjoying the pain therein.

It's an appeal to a Baser emotions in Males, especially hormonally unbalanced young Males. It's an appeal to the same sets of Male emotions as that which the Suicide Bombers and 9/11 Hijackers drew on to commit themselves to unnatural acts of aggression.

By no means do I suggest that FC inspires acts of Violence, to do so would be to give the movie more credit than it deserves. The movie is on par with a Bruce Lee movie or Red Dawn.

What's good about FC is the acting. It is very well done. The story sucks though.

Your analysis of the movie sucks. Don't try impose your own views on it.

The way you described it reminds me of an analysis of the cold war done by a gay dude. He was saying that the underlying motivation was to build bigger missiles, because missiles look like penises. And he who can build the biggest missile (he who has the biggest penis) wins the war. Of course, this analysis was completely off the wall, but it's not surprising that an overly emotional, irrational, extremely liberal gay dude is going to see dick everywhere he looks.

Also, read the reviews of Top Gun made by the same type of people. You'll see the same theme. They're always rebelling against the thought of acting like a normal man, because they're not.

Ok Mr Smartypants, give me your analysis.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: sandorski

Ok Mr Smartypants, give me your analysis.

My analysis is that the movie was great entertainment with a good cast and that you should keep it in perspective. Don't try too hard to rationalize works of fiction.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Oh yeah, the movie made A LOT of sense? Please explain to me how onlookers would be inspired by someone beating himself up, and then would go on to create this huge fight club. On the contrary, the movie made NO sense. It was just an awful movie that tried to force a twist at the end that made no sense. Awful and dumb as sh!t. Seven was MUCH better.

You missed the entire point of the movie. It is outstanding social commentary, and offers some excellent insight on the human condition. Back to grade school for you.
Give me a freakin' break. It's called a HUGE plot hole. Maybe you're the type of person that would ignore little things like if in Saving Private Ryan, the US was storming the beaches of Australia. But for me, that would kind of ruin the entire movie. Maybe I'm just being picky, but hey. Maybe I need get past that and view the movie for its excellent insight on the human condition. :roll:

From what I can gather, it looks to me that people that like Fight Club are people who have no idea how to fight, and think it's cool. They actually love it so much, they choose to ignore a MONSTER plot hole, and try to give me this, "you're missing the point," sh!t. The point is, it was a sh!tty movie that had a plot that made NO sense. It's as simple as that.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: sandorski

Ok Mr Smartypants, give me your analysis.

My analysis is that the movie was great entertainment with a good cast and that you should keep it in perspective. Don't try too hard to rationalize works of fiction.

So that's the whole "point" of the movie?

So I guess I was right, there is no "point".
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: sandorski

Ok Mr Smartypants, give me your analysis.

My analysis is that the movie was great entertainment with a good cast and that you should keep it in perspective. Don't try too hard to rationalize works of fiction.
Fictional stories have to have their own set of rules. For instance, Spider-Man can't fly. If he could, there better be A LOT of explaining for that in the movie. Yes, it's fictional, but it has to make sense in the story. There is a difference between little holes here and there in a movie (all movies have them), and huge plot holes (like what the entire movie is based on). Fight Club, HUGE plot hole.
 
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JackBurton, what's this plot-hole that you speak of? If it is "Please explain to me how onlookers would be inspired by someone beating himself up, and then would go on to create this huge fight club", I offered my theory on that a few posts up.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
JackBurton, what's this plot-hole that you speak of? If it is "Please explain to me how onlookers would be inspired by someone beating himself up, and then would go on to create this huge fight club", I offered my theory on that a few posts up.

Disgruntled low-wage workers getting drunk late at night - you can see why they might find Jack/Tyler beating himself up amusing and might be willing to try it themselves.
You serious believe that? I don't care how good of people skills you have, do you think someone beating themselves up outside a bar would REALLY spark anything but laughter or just people thinking you're simply an idiot? If you saw that, would you be inspired? Seriously.
 
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You can make the argument that it isn't Fight Club that turned those people into Project Mayhem Space Monkeys but it attracted the right kind of people - the kind of people who would become urban terrorists.
 

HendrixFan

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Originally posted by: sandorski
No I didn't.

The movie is about the Pussification of Males and regaining "Manhood". It's about destroying the Society that has become a factory of PC Manhood Pussification. The movie Assumes that "Manhood" is about Toughness and that lost "Manhood" needs to be regained through unorthodox means, pummelling each other and enjoying the pain therein.

It's an appeal to a Baser emotions in Males, especially hormonally unbalanced young Males. It's an appeal to the same sets of Male emotions as that which the Suicide Bombers and 9/11 Hijackers drew on to commit themselves to unnatural acts of aggression.

By no means do I suggest that FC inspires acts of Violence, to do so would be to give the movie more credit than it deserves. The movie is on par with a Bruce Lee movie or Red Dawn.

What's good about FC is the acting. It is very well done. The story sucks though.

You must have turned off the movie before the last act. The last 30 minutes of the movie are there for the sole purpose of proving you wrong, that must be at least slightly discouraging for you.

Lucky for you I'll explain it. Immediately following the commissioner castration scene, Jack's jealousy of Angel Boy takes over. This combines with his growing sense of loss from "losing" fight club to Tyler, and he lashes out. He destroys Angel Boy's beauty, and he has his falling out with Tyler in the fantastic rainy car scene. The rest of the movie is characterized by Jack's statement at the end "I don't want this".

The beginning of the movie Jack runs from his overindulgence in consumerism. He creates Tyler to get away from it all, and he runs to the exact opposite. His problem, however, is that he overindulges once again, this time with nihilism and violence. Fight Club was a healthy release, Project Mayhem was things getting out of control. It is a mirror image of the beginning of the movie, with his out of control consumerism. This is best shown with the scene where Bob gets killed. When the guys start chanting "His name was Robert Paulson" they show themselves to be nothing but stupid followers. They moved, as he did, from mindless consumers to mindless nihilists. Its sad to me that so many people completely miss that point, I'm not sure how it could have been made more obvious to the audience.

As Jack works during the ENTIRE last act of the movie to fix his mistakes, it should be clear that he made a mistake. "I am responsible for all this and I accept that". The damage that he has wrought to a former friend in the death of Bob, and in the soon-to-be death of Marla. If you recall, he left his consumerism and began his manhood all because he wanted Marla. While the movie is absolutely loaded with great social commentary, it boils down to its core as a love story. Everything is done for Marla. "The guns, the bombs, the revolution...it all has something to do with a girl called Marla".

To tie it all together, the last act of the movie exists to show that the violence was out of hand and WRONG. Strength of individual character is what people need, not following the pack, be it consumerism or nihilism. The movie centered around the nihilism section of his life because it is far more interesting watching him fight guys than to spend an hour watching him order furniture from a catalog. While the movie does have a good point, it does need to entertain while it makes that point.

 

skace

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Originally posted by: sandorski
The movie is about the Pussification of Males and regaining "Manhood". It's about destroying the Society that has become a factory of PC Manhood Pussification. The movie Assumes that "Manhood" is about Toughness and that lost "Manhood" needs to be regained through unorthodox means, pummelling each other and enjoying the pain therein.

It's an appeal to a Baser emotions in Males, especially hormonally unbalanced young Males. It's an appeal to the same sets of Male emotions as that which the Suicide Bombers and 9/11 Hijackers drew on to commit themselves to unnatural acts of aggression.

By no means do I suggest that FC inspires acts of Violence, to do so would be to give the movie more credit than it deserves. The movie is on par with a Bruce Lee movie or Red Dawn.

What's good about FC is the acting. It is very well done. The story sucks though.

I didn't think it was about masculinity, but about breaking free from social constraints. Realizing you are 3 steps from a zombie in your daily life and doing something totally unexpected to release. Had it been about masculinity, Bob never would have made it into the club, but he did.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Originally posted by: sandorski
No I didn't.

The movie is about the Pussification of Males and regaining "Manhood". It's about destroying the Society that has become a factory of PC Manhood Pussification. The movie Assumes that "Manhood" is about Toughness and that lost "Manhood" needs to be regained through unorthodox means, pummelling each other and enjoying the pain therein.

It's an appeal to a Baser emotions in Males, especially hormonally unbalanced young Males. It's an appeal to the same sets of Male emotions as that which the Suicide Bombers and 9/11 Hijackers drew on to commit themselves to unnatural acts of aggression.

By no means do I suggest that FC inspires acts of Violence, to do so would be to give the movie more credit than it deserves. The movie is on par with a Bruce Lee movie or Red Dawn.

What's good about FC is the acting. It is very well done. The story sucks though.

You must have turned off the movie before the last act. The last 30 minutes of the movie are there for the sole purpose of proving you wrong, that must be at least slightly discouraging for you.

Lucky for you I'll explain it. Immediately following the commissioner castration scene, Jack's jealousy of Angel Boy takes over. This combines with his growing sense of loss from "losing" fight club to Tyler, and he lashes out. He destroys Angel Boy's beauty, and he has his falling out with Tyler in the fantastic rainy car scene. The rest of the movie is characterized by Jack's statement at the end "I don't want this".

The beginning of the movie Jack runs from his overindulgence in consumerism. He creates Tyler to get away from it all, and he runs to the exact opposite. His problem, however, is that he overindulges once again, this time with nihilism and violence. Fight Club was a healthy release, Project Mayhem was things getting out of control. It is a mirror image of the beginning of the movie, with his out of control consumerism. This is best shown with the scene where Bob gets killed. When the guys start chanting "His name was Robert Paulson" they show themselves to be nothing but stupid followers. They moved, as he did, from mindless consumers to mindless nihilists. Its sad to me that so many people completely miss that point, I'm not sure how it could have been made more obvious to the audience.

As Jack works during the ENTIRE last act of the movie to fix his mistakes, it should be clear that he made a mistake. "I am responsible for all this and I accept that". The damage that he has wrought to a former friend in the death of Bob, and in the soon-to-be death of Marla. If you recall, he left his consumerism and began his manhood all because he wanted Marla. While the movie is absolutely loaded with great social commentary, it boils down to its core as a love story. Everything is done for Marla. "The guns, the bombs, the revolution...it all has something to do with a girl called Marla".

To tie it all together, the last act of the movie exists to show that the violence was out of hand and WRONG. Strength of individual character is what people need, not following the pack, be it consumerism or nihilism. The movie centered around the nihilism section of his life because it is far more interesting watching him fight guys than to spend an hour watching him order furniture from a catalog. While the movie does have a good point, it does need to entertain while it makes that point.

Interesting take. Perhaps accurate, perhaps not, movie still sucks though.