I just found out some really bad news

[SoundTheSurrender]

You see, here in America the gov. doesn't give a ****** about the citizens. They do infact care about wasting money in a useless war though.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
You see, here in America the gov. doesn't give a ****** about the citizens. They do infact care about wasting money in a useless war though.

:roll:

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Our leaders are a compassionate bunch of bastards, and since they have health insurance, they don't give a damn about someone that can't afford it. No insurance and cancer in the US is a death sentence. Ain't this a great frigging country?

I don't remember reading anywhere in the Constitution that everyone should be provided with free healthcare. Seriously... were we to offer that, who would pay for it?

Will it be more of the same old... rob from the rich and/or hard working to give to everyone? I don't have health insurance. I cannot afford health insurance, but I pay, pay pay for others... here legally or not... to have it on my dime. I would much prefer to have those taxes back to insure myself.

and I lived in a country with socialized medicine for 8 years. the system is abused, the doctors are overworked, no one is accountable for anything and there is a waiting list for all but immediate emergency treatment. and... it still doesnt cover everything. many ppl i spoke to there would have preferred to have their tax money back to privately insure themselves, too.

 

[Midlander]

<------ P&N is that way.

Let's stay on topic.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Sadly no, here in the states middle class and lower class with no income are expected to just die when it comes to these sort of things. No help at all from anyone, hospitals will refuse to do any treatment on them. Sad really.

You sir, are an idiot.

/Have someone with low income living with us and there are charities that are helping her cover all of her post-op treatment.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Midlander
<------ P&N is that way.

Let's stay on topic.

you're right. and i apologize for straying off topic. My prayers are with the OP's friend.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Our leaders are a compassionate bunch of bastards, and since they have health insurance, they don't give a damn about someone that can't afford it. No insurance and cancer in the US is a death sentence. Ain't this a great frigging country?

I don't remember reading anywhere in the Constitution that everyone should be provided with free healthcare. Seriously... were we to offer that, who would pay for it?

Will it be more of the same old... rob from the rich and/or hard working to give to everyone? I don't have health insurance. I cannot afford health insurance, but I pay, pay pay for others... here legally or not... to have it on my dime. I would much prefer to have those taxes back to insure myself.

and I lived in a country with socialized medicine for 8 years. the system is abused, the doctors are overworked, no one is accountable for anything and there is a waiting list for all but immediate emergency treatment. and... it still doesnt cover everything. many ppl i spoke to there would have preferred to have their tax money back to privately insure themselves, too.

:thumbsup:


It is not the government's responsibility to ensure your survival and treat your illnesses, it is yours.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Our leaders are a compassionate bunch of bastards, and since they have health insurance, they don't give a damn about someone that can't afford it. No insurance and cancer in the US is a death sentence. Ain't this a great frigging country?

I don't remember reading anywhere in the Constitution that everyone should be provided with free healthcare. Seriously... were we to offer that, who would pay for it?

Will it be more of the same old... rob from the rich and/or hard working to give to everyone? I don't have health insurance. I cannot afford health insurance, but I pay, pay pay for others... here legally or not... to have it on my dime. I would much prefer to have those taxes back to insure myself.

and I lived in a country with socialized medicine for 8 years. the system is abused, the doctors are overworked, no one is accountable for anything and there is a waiting list for all but immediate emergency treatment. and... it still doesnt cover everything. many ppl i spoke to there would have preferred to have their tax money back to privately insure themselves, too.

:thumbsup:


It is not the government's responsibility to ensure your survival and treat your illnesses, it is yours.

But when most of your population can't afford to provide healthcare for itself you know there's trouble.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Our leaders are a compassionate bunch of bastards, and since they have health insurance, they don't give a damn about someone that can't afford it. No insurance and cancer in the US is a death sentence. Ain't this a great frigging country?

I don't remember reading anywhere in the Constitution that everyone should be provided with free healthcare. Seriously... were we to offer that, who would pay for it?

Will it be more of the same old... rob from the rich and/or hard working to give to everyone? I don't have health insurance. I cannot afford health insurance, but I pay, pay pay for others... here legally or not... to have it on my dime. I would much prefer to have those taxes back to insure myself.

and I lived in a country with socialized medicine for 8 years. the system is abused, the doctors are overworked, no one is accountable for anything and there is a waiting list for all but immediate emergency treatment. and... it still doesnt cover everything. many ppl i spoke to there would have preferred to have their tax money back to privately insure themselves, too.

:thumbsup:


It is not the government's responsibility to ensure your survival and treat your illnesses, it is yours.

But when most of your population can't afford to provide healthcare for itself you know there's trouble.

I think I can sum up your standard fare posts RyanSengara with "Rich, spoiled Canadian brat who thinks he knows everything there is to know about the world."

Shouldn't you be off berating your parents for something ridiculous again?

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Our leaders are a compassionate bunch of bastards, and since they have health insurance, they don't give a damn about someone that can't afford it. No insurance and cancer in the US is a death sentence. Ain't this a great frigging country?

I don't remember reading anywhere in the Constitution that everyone should be provided with free healthcare. Seriously... were we to offer that, who would pay for it?

Will it be more of the same old... rob from the rich and/or hard working to give to everyone? I don't have health insurance. I cannot afford health insurance, but I pay, pay pay for others... here legally or not... to have it on my dime. I would much prefer to have those taxes back to insure myself.

and I lived in a country with socialized medicine for 8 years. the system is abused, the doctors are overworked, no one is accountable for anything and there is a waiting list for all but immediate emergency treatment. and... it still doesnt cover everything. many ppl i spoke to there would have preferred to have their tax money back to privately insure themselves, too.

:thumbsup:


It is not the government's responsibility to ensure your survival and treat your illnesses, it is yours.

I think your tune will change if the time ever comes where you're without insurance, and suffering a serious illness. Easy to spout off such comments when you aren't the one affected.

 

[novasatori]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
Move her to Canada.

This is probably her best option. Try to get out of the U.S and into a country with decent medical care.

Ehhh Canada can only afford to give free health care to their citizens because there aren't even close to the number of people there compared to here (US).

If the US switched to Canada's policy, it'd be out of control.

Anyways, doesn't Canada require that you be a citizen for this free health care? (The chemo is still probably cheaper there)

Loan? (Family members/friends can help her pay it back?) -> Only if you can get cheaper chemo in Canada or a different country (I am a US citizen - Just trying to say that elsewhere is probably cheaper)

The other issue is that the disparity between rich and poor is much less here in Canada, namely that if push came to shove more 'lower middle class' could afford to pay their way through.

Where as in the states.. no chance at all.

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

But when most of your population can't afford to provide healthcare for itself you know there's trouble.

to chime in as pro-american healthcare...
this isn't true at all my wife and I live on an annual allotment through outside sources (fin aid etc) that amounts to about 8-10k/yr (I don't work though) and we paid all my medical bills in full w/o insurance, including about $1,000+ of bills last year for some stuff. Including our living expenses of about $600/mo (not including food)...

there are options out there for sure, and if I had the time when I was getting treatment I probably could have gotten my $1000 worth of treatment to about $300 ($200 sign up + $100 (10% of $1000), and the way it works is I could have gotten much further treatment for even cheaper since after the $200 its % based(Approximately $8000 worth to be specific).

I might have even qualified to get it waived in full, the problem with people who complain is they don't LOOK hard enough, or are too lazy to fill out the applications.

but anyways, due to time constrains I just paid in full

seems like a lot of people like to talk about stuff they don't really have experience with, I only have insurance with a super high deductible that would cover REAL emergencies which cost me about $700/yr.

sure we don't live great in terms of material goods but I'm almost out of school so that will change. its just about managing your finances.

(I also think most people make more than my 8-10k averaged out over an entire year of working that amounts to like $4-5 an hour)

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
Move her to Canada.

This is probably her best option. Try to get out of the U.S and into a country with decent medical care.

Sad but true. Healthcare in the USA is shameful.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: novasatori

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
Move her to Canada.

This is probably her best option. Try to get out of the U.S and into a country with decent medical care.

Ehhh Canada can only afford to give free health care to their citizens because there aren't even close to the number of people there compared to here (US).

If the US switched to Canada's policy, it'd be out of control.

Anyways, doesn't Canada require that you be a citizen for this free health care? (The chemo is still probably cheaper there)

Loan? (Family members/friends can help her pay it back?) -> Only if you can get cheaper chemo in Canada or a different country (I am a US citizen - Just trying to say that elsewhere is probably cheaper)

The other issue is that the disparity between rich and poor is much less here in Canada, namely that if push came to shove more 'lower middle class' could afford to pay their way through.

Where as in the states.. no chance at all.

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

But when most of your population can't afford to provide healthcare for itself you know there's trouble.

to chime in as pro-american healthcare...
this isn't true at all my wife and I live on an annual allotment through outside sources (fin aid etc) that amounts to about 8-10k/yr (I don't work though) and we paid all my medical bills in full w/o insurance, including about $1,000+ of bills last year for some stuff. Including our living expenses of about $600/mo (not including food)...

there are options out there for sure, and if I had the time when I was getting treatment I probably could have gotten my $1000 worth of treatment to about $300 ($200 sign up + $100 (10% of $1000), and the way it works is I could have gotten much further treatment for even cheaper since after the $200 its % based(Approximately $8000 worth to be specific).

I might have even qualified to get it waived in full, the problem with people who complain is they don't LOOK hard enough, or are too lazy to fill out the applications.

but anyways, due to time constrains I just paid in full

seems like a lot of people like to talk about stuff they don't really have experience with, I only have insurance with a super high deductible that would cover REAL emergencies which cost me about $700/yr.

sure we don't live great in terms of material goods but I'm almost out of school so that will change. its just about managing your finances.

(I also think most people make more than my 8-10k averaged out over an entire year of working that amounts to like $4-5 an hour)

I think what alot of people have missed is that I'm pro-privatized healthcare, the fact is that most people can't afford it.

Thats all.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Our leaders are a compassionate bunch of bastards, and since they have health insurance, they don't give a damn about someone that can't afford it. No insurance and cancer in the US is a death sentence. Ain't this a great frigging country?

I don't remember reading anywhere in the Constitution that everyone should be provided with free healthcare. Seriously... were we to offer that, who would pay for it?

Will it be more of the same old... rob from the rich and/or hard working to give to everyone? I don't have health insurance. I cannot afford health insurance, but I pay, pay pay for others... here legally or not... to have it on my dime. I would much prefer to have those taxes back to insure myself.

and I lived in a country with socialized medicine for 8 years. the system is abused, the doctors are overworked, no one is accountable for anything and there is a waiting list for all but immediate emergency treatment. and... it still doesnt cover everything. many ppl i spoke to there would have preferred to have their tax money back to privately insure themselves, too.

:thumbsup:


It is not the government's responsibility to ensure your survival and treat your illnesses, it is yours.

I think your tune will change if the time ever comes where you're without insurance, and suffering a serious illness. Easy to spout off such comments when you aren't the one affected.

Where did this ridiculous sense of entitlement come from in the US population? Personally, I blame FDR and his creation of political sacred cow hand-out programs. I honestly wish I could go back in time and stab him with his cigarette holder then beat him with his wheelchair.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Our leaders are a compassionate bunch of bastards, and since they have health insurance, they don't give a damn about someone that can't afford it. No insurance and cancer in the US is a death sentence. Ain't this a great frigging country?

I don't remember reading anywhere in the Constitution that everyone should be provided with free healthcare. Seriously... were we to offer that, who would pay for it?

Will it be more of the same old... rob from the rich and/or hard working to give to everyone? I don't have health insurance. I cannot afford health insurance, but I pay, pay pay for others... here legally or not... to have it on my dime. I would much prefer to have those taxes back to insure myself.

and I lived in a country with socialized medicine for 8 years. the system is abused, the doctors are overworked, no one is accountable for anything and there is a waiting list for all but immediate emergency treatment. and... it still doesnt cover everything. many ppl i spoke to there would have preferred to have their tax money back to privately insure themselves, too.

:thumbsup:


It is not the government's responsibility to ensure your survival and treat your illnesses, it is yours.

I think your tune will change if the time ever comes where you're without insurance, and suffering a serious illness. Easy to spout off such comments when you aren't the one affected.

Where did this ridiculous sense of entitlement come from in the US population? Personally, I blame FDR and his creation of political sacred cow hand-out programs. I honestly wish I could go back in time and stab him with his cigarette holder then beat him with his wheelchair.

:laugh:

:thumbsup:

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
trolling a thread where someone needs help with breast cancer is ok? sure whatever

go to P&N to talk about the politics of the US health care system, this thread the OP asks for HELP to figure out what to do, not ask about the politics of US healthcare

While I think his methods are extreme, I have to agree with FoBoT on this one.. This thread is no place for "bash <insert country here> comments". I do think UC was way out of line and I think a few days off wouldn't kill him..

 

[LukFilm]

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Sadly no, here in the states middle class and lower class with no income are expected to just die when it comes to these sort of things. No help at all from anyone, hospitals will refuse to do any treatment on them. Sad really.

Yep, you have to be an illegal immigrant, then you can expect help. :disgust:

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: Tobolo

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Sadly no, here in the states middle class and lower class with no income are expected to just die when it comes to these sort of things. No help at all from anyone, hospitals will refuse to do any treatment on them. Sad really.

And we have a family member who is horrendously brain damaged. all be cause her mother went into labor and she was put on a 4 day waiting list. Screw Universal Health Care.

What happened? I mean, I'm not trying to demean what apparently horrible thing occurred, but women have had children without the aid of doctors for thousands of years and still do... What exactly happened that doctors needed to prevent?

 

[CanOWorms]

I think that something has to be done with healthcare in the US, but I'm scared of Canadian-style healthcare. The horrible wait times, doctors giving preferential treatment due to social status, crazy taxes, etc. Poor people are worse off in the US, but everyone is worse off in Canada.

 

[50cent1228]

cancer centers of America...don't they do stuff for free

 

[irishScott]

I honestly don't know enough to give you much in the way of advice, but if you start a donation fund, give me an address and there'l be $50 in the mail before long (Don't have paypal or equivalent). Good luck.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: LukFilm

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: youppi
if you get cancer in the states, do they not see that as life threatening and do chemo and all that for free? (canadian here)

Sadly no, here in the states middle class and lower class with no income are expected to just die when it comes to these sort of things. No help at all from anyone, hospitals will refuse to do any treatment on them. Sad really.

Yep, you have to be an illegal immigrant, then you can expect help. :disgust:

Or rob a bank, then the state will pick up your healthcare costs.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

You can't get insurance once you already have cancer...not easily anyway...why would anyone insure you?

A woman I work with mother developed breast cancer about a year ago. Her parents didn't have insurance, couldn't really afford it. Were working to make ends meet as it was.

They did the chemo thing and paid the bills they could. Sold all of their non-essential items to pay for medical costs. But it never went in remission. There was a medical school somewhat near them, but they couldn't afford the gas back and forth and hotel bills.

And the ER has to treat you if you go in, but not with chemo. They had too much income to qualify for medicaid, and were still too young for medicare.

There isn't any one aspect that could have fixed it all. They should have insurance. They should have been older, they should have been poorer, they should have had donors. But things don't always work out. They buried her last Friday. And her dad has a house with no belongings, and maxed out credit cards, and no wife.

I'm not advocating free healthcare, or saying that they should have had subsidized treatment. Just saying that it doesn't always work out for everyone, regardless of what "should" have happened.

hugemedical problems and bills. I think $8K in bills.

Not to be an ass, but 8k in medical bills is nothing.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats


I think your tune will change if the time ever comes where you're without insurance, and suffering a serious illness. Easy to spout off such comments when you aren't the one affected.

In my case, you are incorrect... I have been seriously ill. And i have not had medical coverage.. and guess what I had to do? Pay, pay pay...and STILL paying.

So, i get to pay for others to have medical insurance that I cannot afford for myself, and when something goes wrong for me, i get to pay again... but I am fine paying for myself.

i dont want the government to be in control of my medical affairs. And i dont want government handouts or anything. I just wish I had all my taxes back, so I could have more easily afforded my own bill.

 

[Compton]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Where did this ridiculous sense of entitlement come from in the US population? Personally, I blame FDR and his creation of political sacred cow hand-out programs. I honestly wish I could go back in time and stab him with his cigarette holder then beat him with his wheelchair.

ROFL!!! If you ever do, post a video of it on youtube.