Ok well, hi everyone. I'm about to build my computer. I am looking at the Stacker 830, the LL v2000, or the SS TJ-07... As I was worrying about my CPU temp for my opteron 170 - I want to OC it. I was thinking, why not try a watercooling system. While I am a complete noob to watercooling systems... I want to try it, and I was looking at some of those "water cooling systems" which would put my mind more to ease (For my first time I am a little nervous to build a WC system from scratch). I was looking at some of the Coolermaster WC systems- and I figured that would work nice because I am also looking at the stacker 830 and I heard thats watercooling ready. So if you guys could help introduce me to the wonderful world of watercooling and help find an awesome water cooling system. I would be in your debt. Thanks for helping me out guys and wish me luck!
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I.... I... think I am gonna try watercooling.. help please
- Thread starter vertigofm
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Hm.
Alrighty.
First and foremost. HALF INCH!. Drill that into your head.
Half inch tubing, no compromises. (I have friends who use 3/8th... I laugh at them 🙂)
How much are you looking to spend?
Only cooling the CPU? Or the GPU/NB as well (The sucker is annoying on DFI boards.)
That'll give people a better idea of what you're after.
--Trevor
Alrighty.
First and foremost. HALF INCH!. Drill that into your head.
Half inch tubing, no compromises. (I have friends who use 3/8th... I laugh at them 🙂)
How much are you looking to spend?
Only cooling the CPU? Or the GPU/NB as well (The sucker is annoying on DFI boards.)
That'll give people a better idea of what you're after.
--Trevor
atybimf
Platinum Member
First, what's your budget for this is? Second, what are you wanting to cool? We'll assume you're cooling the CPU and GPU..
AquaXtreme 50Z pump
Swiftech Storm CPU block
DangerDen Maze4 Acetal GPU block
Black Ice Pro II Radiator (or III if you have room in your case) and 2x120mm fans (or 3x120mm fans in the case of the Black Ice Pro III
resevoir of some sort
1/2in tubing!!
I'd buy everything you can at www.cooltechnica.com
www.xtremesystems.org is a great great resource for all your WC quesitions. I'd run any potential system by them first.
AquaXtreme 50Z pump
Swiftech Storm CPU block
DangerDen Maze4 Acetal GPU block
Black Ice Pro II Radiator (or III if you have room in your case) and 2x120mm fans (or 3x120mm fans in the case of the Black Ice Pro III
resevoir of some sort
1/2in tubing!!
I'd buy everything you can at www.cooltechnica.com
www.xtremesystems.org is a great great resource for all your WC quesitions. I'd run any potential system by them first.
Hi, What do you guys think of this setup.
Click here if you want to buy from Canada.
OR
Click here if you want to buy from US.
I was also looking to get into water cooling and just wanted to know what you guys thought of that cooling package, is it a okay deal or is it bad?
"vertigofm" are you looking for somthing like that.
Also, I know its a basic kit.
Click here if you want to buy from Canada.
OR
Click here if you want to buy from US.
I was also looking to get into water cooling and just wanted to know what you guys thought of that cooling package, is it a okay deal or is it bad?
"vertigofm" are you looking for somthing like that.
Also, I know its a basic kit.
See I don't have it yet... And I'm not an extrem OCer, whatever that means... I only OC'd once before with my P4. Got it from 2.6 to 3.4 and I could have gon higher but the temps were holding me back. So I just dont know if its worth it, but with my Opteron- I definetly want to OC, and I want to be able to get it to the highs- 2.8-3ghz like others with water cooling have
saltedeggman
Diamond Member
I went from WC back to Aircooling, the cost just doesn't justify the delta in temperatue....A side note is that I was looking for a quiet system with watercooling, but with today's hsf with 120mm, problem solved
mindwreck
Golden Member
most people have had problems getting over the "barrier" unless they used below normal room temperature cooling (phase change, chilled water)
WCing isn't just for better OCs. some people get it to quiet down their system. I got it for both reasons. unless your willing to pay for good watercooling, your going to making sacrifaces. My xp90 just couldn't take my sempron @2.4 and it was really noisey. So i decided to get watercooling. now its dead silent and getting temp below 40C with the increased overclock.
WCing isn't just for better OCs. some people get it to quiet down their system. I got it for both reasons. unless your willing to pay for good watercooling, your going to making sacrifaces. My xp90 just couldn't take my sempron @2.4 and it was really noisey. So i decided to get watercooling. now its dead silent and getting temp below 40C with the increased overclock.
otispunkmeyer
Lifer
reserator 1 plus?
have you looked at this? reserator 1 was a bit weak imo, but the new 1 plus is sooo much better. though ill admit its maybes not for the overclocker in you. it can however cope with SLI and a CPU and its a sinch to set up.
have you looked at this? reserator 1 was a bit weak imo, but the new 1 plus is sooo much better. though ill admit its maybes not for the overclocker in you. it can however cope with SLI and a CPU and its a sinch to set up.
Voltage doesn't help the opterons that much. Most will clock very high on stok voltage and air cooling. Many people find they need to go to 1.6 or a bit higher for that last 200mhz, and it's just not worth it. In real world performance you can't tell weather your cpu is at 2.8 or 3.0Ghz. My 146 is at 2.8Ghz, stock HSF and stock voltage.
If I were you, I'd run the system for a while then decide. I think you'll find that the $250 for water cooling amounts to nothing in real world use. Spend that same $250 on a better video card and get real results for your money. My last system was water cooled, it was a fun project to build, and had a great bling factor, but I'd have been much better off spending that money on better hardware.
If I were you, I'd run the system for a while then decide. I think you'll find that the $250 for water cooling amounts to nothing in real world use. Spend that same $250 on a better video card and get real results for your money. My last system was water cooled, it was a fun project to build, and had a great bling factor, but I'd have been much better off spending that money on better hardware.
themusgrat
Golden Member
Well, voltage helps my Opteron. Water will help your CPU some, but not as much for overall performance as that better video card. It really comes down to how hard core you are about OCing, and how quiet your PC needs to be. BTW, if you really want good temps, wait a bit for the OCZ phase kit that will start at 300. It will get you below 0C.
saltedeggman
Diamond Member
Just look at what people are saying a few posts below...
Zebo
Elite Member
I laugh at you. There is no difference in using 1/2 or 3/8. Swiftech , bar none most saught after products use 3/8 for a reason. Pumps like MCP600 and 350 are 3/8 at widest point. Then you have the issue flow is dictated by your smallest point. Most water blocks are smaller than 3/8 at thier smallest point making even 3/8 overkill in most cases. 3/8 bends much easier and is cheaper too. There are a few special cases where 1/2 is beneficial but not with anything you can buy today off the shelf. 3/8 is the new standard/
I agree with Zebo. If you choose parts that all have big holes in them, then you might get a little better flow with 1/2", but it doesn't matter at all. Think about it, the system is closed, it's just water running through a loop, so no matter how fast the water is moving, any given drop spends the same amount of time at any given place in the loop. There is a lower speed limit at which heat will start to build up at the point it's collected, but you won't reach it even using 1/4" tubing.
well not exactly
if you are using a LOW resistance setup like a MCW6000, then yes flow rates are not that important but for a block like the STORM, which is a restrictive block, 1/2" system is going to give better flow
that is why the swiftech APEX ULTRA kits are 1/2" barbed (with 7/16" tubing which is easier to bend but not much more restrictive) not 3/8"
so if your precious swiftech uses it it can't be all wrong :roll:
the guys like me who hang out at Xtrmesystems pretty much are all 1/2" freaks while the crazy euro guys have 3/8" and sometimes 1/4" systems (which is a joke)
so I do come at this with a biased opinion
the big water = smelly a$$
good aircooling is just as useful and less of a pain
Preasure loss due to friction is determined by hose size and your smallest point, as well as any places that the water goes through such as fittings, water blocks ect. More friction = more preasure needed to reach the same volume, or flow. There is an upper limit of volume due to preasure of course.
In my opinion, any oppertunity to lower preasure in a closed system is ideal...assuming you are maintaining enoug preasure for the sstem to operate properly with enough volume of course.
HardWarrior
Diamond Member
First off and for the record, places like this aren't very good for questions like "Should I or shouldn't I water-cool?" What you'll get (as you've seen) in many cases are myriad personal justifications for not water-cooling. Just as a wise person wouldn't base, say, their choice of a car solely on the word of a stranger, he also wouldn't let that same stranger decide what cooling method is best for his rig, or wallet.
Here you'll find a fairly complete selection of sticky's that will answer many of the starter questions that you have. You'll also find the forum environment much more conducive to water-cooling in that the vast majority use it. Except for the occasional air-person trying his luck, this place is all water, all the time.
Some thoughts:
1. There's nothing wrong with 3/8in tubing as long as your blocks are designed for it. I've seen some very functional and attractive rigs that use it.
2. Water-cooling your NB isn't a "waste" or "useless." MY SB and PWM area are the warmest components on my MB. If I decided to water-cool them, thereby efficiently venting excess heat from my case, why would I be somehow "wrong" for doing so? Just something to consider.
3. Kits get the job done. However, the best of them are composed, in most cases, of the same parts you'd order for yourself, only someone else gets to decide what those parts are. As far as ease of setup, a kit still has to be assembled, which is where the REAL challenge (and fun) is. Also, selecting the components are a wonderful opportunity to gain in-depth knowledge before you dive in, if you indeed decide to.
Good luck with your rig, vertigofm. If there's some aspect of water-cooling you'd like to brainstorm just post. I'll offer any assistance I can. :thumbsup:
HardWarrior
Diamond Member
imported_ST
Senior member
not to divert from the original OP but what does everyone here think of the Swiftech Apex Water Cooling Kit? I, myself, am considering moving to WC because 1) I'm OCing to 3Ghz now 2) Noise is a big concern for me, especially as an HTPC system in the living room and 3) I like to tinker 🙂 This kit seems to have it all, besides the Apogee block instead of the Storm...thoughts?
HardWarrior
Diamond Member
It's got all the right parts, and I'm sure you can expand it without any problem.
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