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Hoeboy

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notfred,

This is true in many cultures, not just Asian. Parents have kids to help out on the farm and sh!t like that. Although we're now in America, my parents still have that mentality where they've done enough. They brought us into this world, took us over to America, and now their role as a parent ends. The kid needs to now worship the parents like Gods and such. I don't have a problem with that but I also believe there is more to parenting than providing the basic needs to sustain life such as food, shelter, etc. What about the emotional stuff?

jooksing,

I can see where you're coming from. Living in an American society has opened my eyes up to what is good parenting and bad parenting. I'm starting to criticize the way my parents raised us up more and more which has brought about some conflicts. Parents don't like outside influences at all, but what can they expect by coming to America?
 

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My extended family was a very reserved bunch, very little in the way of expressing deep feelings and seldom anu huging or kissing.Sarcasm was the vehicle of choice for conveying a message. And the better you were at it,the more intellegent you were considered to be... and I'm of Irish heritage,no asians in the bunch

I grew up,mangled more than my fair share of relationships-had children and realised I wanted to give them more. I started watching more demonstrative people and doing as they did. I still am uncomfortable being touched by folks who aren't 1st degree intimates ie: a lover, my children,grandchildren but I can accept hugs from friends without insulting them by stiffening up and I can sit down and tell somebody how I'm feeling about them without using sarcasm.


So take a deep breath and just plunge in, btw,you having difficulty expressing your emotions is not a secret to those closest to you, once you start,the vast majority will go out of their way to make it easier for you.Another benefit of this ois that when you do open up people will listen more closely to you than they will somebodywho's always emoting all over the place.


 

UberNeuman

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If you notice that you are repressing emotions, then STOP and let them loose - as long as it doesn't make you look like a psychopath...

Only you can break the cycle that you're locked into - a long journey begins with but a single step...

So now, I want you to YELL! Yell like hell!!!! Yell at the screen!!!

RRRRAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!
 

Looney

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A more fundamental answer goes to the direct attachement experiences they had as children. Many Asian children have insecure attachments to the mother, not to mention the father figure. This tends to lead to problems in one's development and manifests negatively in the adult life

So how does this insecurity arise? By the parents lack of attention to the child? If so, how can you differentiate between insecurity attachments and simply lack of a loving/emotional model to imitate?

Personally, my relationship with my parents are good... athough they're not huggy/weepy good. I can talk to them almost about anything, and often joke around with them as if they were friends, but the only time i ever hugged my dad was the day i was sentenced... which was also the only time i saw my dad cry. I grew up with him being quite attentive to us, with almost EVERY weekend in the summer we would go fishing, and almost every weekend in the winter we would go sledding. And the only way my dad really knew how to expressed his love was by doing/buying stuff for us... so i was EXTREMELY spoiled when i was little. I may not be the most open at showing my emotion, but i'm far from feeling insecure with my parents, and more or less imitate my dad in how i express my emotion and love as well... by doing things, and buying things for the ones i want to show my love.

And BTW linuxboy, is there anything you don't know? Mind me asking what kind of academic background you have? Every discussion you enter, you seem to reply with a very educated response.
 

Looney

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Oh yeah, and for my 2 cents on how to help Hoeboy... i would theorize that the reason why you are so reserved in expressing your emotions is because you don't know how to properly express them. You lacked a model growing up, so you haven't had the practice. And you're hesistant in expressing them now because you don't want to look like a fool incase you don't express them correctly. This is your ego holding you back, you're reserved at expressing your emotion because you're afraid you'll do it incorrectly, or that others already have a certain expectation about you, and you're afraid by being incongruent, that you'll look wierd to them (that's probably why you won't say i love you to your mom and dad... i should know, i was like that too). LET GO OF THAT EGO. It's holding you back. Don't be afraid of looking stupid or like a fool, because those feelings are transient, and they only affect you as long as you allow them to affect you. You may look silly, but how long you feel silly is all dependent on you.

Buddhists monks humble their ego by giving up all material wealth and going door to door begging for food. For you to let go of your ego, to realize they can't truly harm you, is for you to experience humility yourself. So i saw get a pair of speedos, oil yourself up in baby oil, and run down the street. You'll discover humiliation beyond what you've ever experienced, beyond what most humans have ever experienced, and you'll realize that it is transient, and that it's nature is entirely dependent on you.

 

Hoeboy

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moralpanic,

You've hit the jackpot. Most of the time what's holding me back is what others might think of me. In my mind I know what I should do and how to go about acting it. But before I act it out, I take a step out of my own body and into someone else's shoes, look at myself, and it looks weird because I never was that kind of person to display emotions. Now I'm not saying I'm trying to be someone I'm not. I'm not happy with me being all reserved. In fact I'm studying to be a Civil Engineer & elementary school teacher. The engineering part I could care less about but the teacher part, I want to be a caring teacher. Not just someone who teaches a lesson, assigns homework, and let the kid decide if they want to learn or not. I want to express concerns, thoughts, and emotions to these kids and how I want them to succeed. I can't even do that now as an aide. Every time I have concerns about a kid, I just can't take them aside and talk to them one on one, using the words correctly.

Thanks for the advice and I'm trying to let go of the ego. Very hard thing to do but I rather find more conventional methods than that speedo thing :)
 

oLLie

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GJ Linuxboy, GJ Moralpanic. It's a shame I don't have anything intelligent to contribute myself. :)
 

Looney

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LOL yeah, the speedo part was just a joke... but the idea is the same. Start out with expressing your emotions in little ways, until you get accustom to it. I would start out with complimenting people, because not only are you expressing your emotions, but also doing it in a way in which you'll get positive feedback (people like to be praise, as long as it's not trying to flatter them). Then work your way to showing concern for people, and eventually work your way up to showing stronger emotions like love. Will you ever work your way up to saying I LOVE YOU MOM AND DAD just out of the blue? Probably not, they might think you're on drugs if you do. But you'll eventually be able to know how to act towards certain people, and this only comes from experience and practice.

If you find it difficult to begin this, try starting with strangers... people you'll never see again. Maybe a waitress has nice hair, compliment her on that. You walk into a computer store and see something interesting, share your interest with the guy. If you're in line at the grocery store, and the little girl infront of you is staring at you, smile at her. You'll eventually get accustom to it. Or begin by expressing yourself online... these forums are great for experimenting with different persona. If that is still difficult for you because of the person you've become here (i highly doubt it, since you've expressed this concern quite openly), i might even suggesting creating another account online, and then experiment with being expressive towards people. Then when you're accustom to that, revert back to this account.

Nobody is saying anybody is socially inadequate here, it's just some of us were socialize differently. If somebody who was socialize to become really open was to live in more reserve places like China or Japan, they would be the one whose social skills are incompatible with the culture.

Here's a good book if you want to read up on some proper socialization... despite how corny or manipulative the title is, it's not, it's a great book... infact, Amazon has 45 sample pages that you can preview to see whether it's to your liking or not:

How to Win Friends and Influence People - by Dale Carneige

EDIT: corrected spelling error
 

yellowperil

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I had a similar background, and I go through the same thing. My parents (my dad in particular) are very concerned with their image and reputation with other people. He gave us a lot of rules of conduct about how to act in public. Being taught how to always be polite and professional affected my personal life and restricted the range of emotions I felt were OK to express. I think the main problem with me is that I over-analyze my feelings before I act. It's because I'm afraid of making a fool out of myself. I think the important thing is to get rid of the null hypothesis that everyone is always judging you. If you have that fear that you have to somehow prove yourself likeable, then you're just putting on an act of fake emotions (the other extreme). Easier said than done, I'm still trying to overcome it myself. Just start out small, hang out with old friends who you have no problem expressing yourself with, and then to acquaintances and strangers.
 

linuxboy

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If you notice that you are repressing emotions, then STOP and let them loose - as long as it doesn't make you look like a psychopath...

Only you can break the cycle that you're locked into - a long journey begins with but a single step...

So now, I want you to YELL! Yell like hell!!!! Yell at the screen!!!

RRRRAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!


It's not quite that easy, mate. The entire idea of "let it go" and "tell us how you really feel" is nothing but pop psychobabble. The reality is that this is more likely to cause unhealthy regulatory disinhibition, thus leading to a lack of self-regulation. In other words, much better means exist for constructive improvement.


So how does this insecurity arise? By the parents lack of attention to the child? If so, how can you differentiate between insecurity attachments and simply lack of a loving/emotional model to imitate?


Ah, you've asked the million dollar question. I wish I had a concrete, empirically supported answer but I don't. I have theories and ideas but I can't support them well so I'll omit them for now. The test for security in infants (note that measures of security differ throughout development) is the standard Strange Situation developed by Ainsworth. Here, an infant is placed in alternating environments of proximity to the mother figure and a stranger. Reactions to the stranger are recorded. Three classifications are usually used: avoidant, resistant, and secure. There are behaviors for each one. Let me just summarize what they are by stating that insecure attachments usually have trouble adjusting where secure ones don't really give a crap.

that's what the test usually is. In practice, one can tell by the way the child reacts to novel encounters.

Now for the source: Eh, the best I could do is give an overview of recent theories but I will just state what I think instead. The parent is the sole provider of the child's early needs in every respect. When the parent figure is insensitive and that syadic relationship unhealthy, the child will withdraw since the child will want needs met by another source. Some examples: not responding to crying. The child will learn to stop and withdraw. Infrequent interaction, negative facial expressions, negative interaction patters, lack of nutrition. The child will adopt those negative traits, leading to later insecurity. Note that the child is not exactly imitating. THis is not pure modeling and imitating a la social learning. This is cognitive development during the first year of life, which is crucial is the myelinization of neural pathways. So let me sum up by stating that it may be an unhealthy model to imitate, but the cause is most likely the transactions between the child and his/her enviroment. Also, temperament and response to it can have an effect. A difficult child will more likely exasperate the parent, leading to an insecure attachemnt. This does have a solid genetic foundation, although it is not deterministic. We are not doomed to baseness.


Personally, my relationship with my parents are good... athough they're not huggy/weepy good. I can talk to them almost about anything, and often joke around with them as if they were friends, but the only time i ever hugged my dad was the day i was sentenced... which was also the only time i saw my dad cry. I grew up with him being quite attentive to us, with almost EVERY weekend in the summer we would go fishing, and almost every weekend in the winter we would go sledding. And the only way my dad really knew how to expressed his love was by doing/buying stuff for us... so i was EXTREMELY spoiled when i was little. I may not be the most open at showing my emotion, but i'm far from feeling insecure with my parents, and more or less imitate my dad in how i express my emotion and love as well... by doing things, and buying things for the ones i want to show my love.



That is a fairly healthy relationship, it allows for stressors without much imbalance. Not that this has any relevance to your question... :)

And BTW linuxboy, is there anything you don't know? Mind me asking what kind of academic background you have? Every discussion you enter, you seem to reply with a very educated response.


Why certainly, I am a very ignorant man. Don't let my propensity to use big words and invoke empirical data and recent theories in various fields let you think otherwise. As for my background, use your imagination. Besides, it doesn't really matter. What's a piece of paper worth anyway? If you've seen an episode of Kids in the Hall where they wind up eating their degrees, you'll realize that it really makes no difference. A sad man is he who knows much but wisdom can bring happiness.



Oh yeah, and for my 2 cents on how to help Hoeboy... i would theorize that the reason why you are so reserved in expressing your emotions is because you don't know how to properly express them. You lacked a model growing up, so you haven't had the practice. And you're hesistant in expressing them now because you don't want to look like a fool incase you don't express them correctly. This is your ego holding you back, you're reserved at expressing your emotion because you're afraid you'll do it incorrectly, or that others already have a certain expectation about you, and you're afraid by being incongruent, that you'll look wierd to them (that's probably why you won't say i love you to your mom and dad... i should know, i was like that too). LET GO OF THAT EGO. It's holding you back. Don't be afraid of looking stupid or like a fool, because those feelings are transient, and they only affect you as long as you allow them to affect you. You may look silly, but how long you feel silly is all dependent on you.

I would argue that it's not the ego directly but rather various social control mechanisms in his cognitive faculties. But I do see your point, most problems do eventually wind up as a will to power.

Buddhists monks humble their ego by giving up all material wealth and going door to door begging for food. For you to let go of your ego, to realize they can't truly harm you, is for you to experience humility yourself. So i saw get a pair of speedos, oil yourself up in baby oil, and run down the street. You'll discover humiliation beyond what you've ever experienced, beyond what most humans have ever experienced, and you'll realize that it is transient, and that it's nature is entirely dependent on you.


This would actually work and is the quickest and arguably easiest method of achieving a desired out come as it really does get to the heart of the matter. But you must realize that a blind man needs a dog to cross the street. That is, there are side-effects to your idea and unless this is controlled (like the method I suggested), the consequences may be more deletorious than the previous state.

LOL yeah, the speedo part was just a joke... but the idea is the same. Start out with expressing your emotions in little ways, until you get accustom to it. I would start out with complimenting people, because not only are you expressing your emotions, but also doing it in a way in which you'll get positive feedback (people like to be praise, as long as it's not trying to flatter them). Then work your way to showing concern for people, and eventually work your way up to showing stronger emotions like love. Will you ever work your way up to saying I LOVE YOU MOM AND DAD just out of the blue? Probably not, they might think you're on drugs if you do. But you'll eventually be able to know how to act towards certain people, and this only comes from experience and practice.


I like that :)

If you find it difficult to begin this, try starting with strangers... people you'll never see again. Maybe a waitress has nice hair, compliment her on that. You walk into a computer store and see something interesting, share your interest with the guy. If you're in line at the grocery store, and the little girl infront of you is staring at you, smile at her. You'll eventually get accustom to it. Or begin by expressing yourself online... these forums are great for experimenting with different persona. If that is still difficult for you because of the person you've become here (i highly doubt it, since you've expressed this concern quite openly), i might even suggesting creating another account online, and then experiment with being expressive towards people. Then when you're accustom to that, revert back to this account.

That again can have side effects in problem of personality identity. Notice I suggested a similar approach in my role-playing idea but that is more separate from reality than an online BBS where Hoeboy spends part of his normal time. The idea of random acts of kindness is very effective, however. I think it goes back to your idea of ego-negation. Through humility, we approach the state where our conditioned relity no longer exists and we get to the core of our experience, beyond the levels of protection. Here, we are both vulnerable and invincible. I think it is a rather good addition to our current solution. I originally thought that touching on more abstract ideas of somewhat religious sigificance would not be helpful in formulating a concrete solution but you proved me wrong. It is helpful.

Nobody is saying anybody is socially inadequate here, it's just some of us were socialize differently. If somebody who was socialize to become really open was to live in more reserve places like China or Japan, they would be the one whose social skills are incompatible with the culture.

I agree with that. I think it really is a method of adaptation ad ideas of relativity and openmindedness do help.

Here's a good book if you want to read up on some proper socialization... despite how corny or manipulative the title is, it's not, it's a great book... infact, Amazon has 45 sample pages that you can preview to see whether it's to your liking or not:

How to Win Friends and Influence People - by Dale Carneige


Argh, not pop psych. I keep hearing from everyone how wonderful this book is and I think its crap. The author tends to place absolute values on relative socialization patterns, thus leading to an increase in a purely relative worldview. Of course, this is my bias as an absolutist. Many people who read the book are obsessed with "self-help" and not any sort of real social science (yes, there is such a thing). Knowledge misused can be a powerful tool for fostering ignorance. Same with that Covey guy, although he is better.

Cheers ! :)
 

Hoeboy

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Moral,

Good advice. I'm gonna try that.

Linux,

Now I'm starting to really wonder what you do for a living in the real world :)



BTW, Just to clear things up a bit, being social isn't the problem. I've come a long way in overcoming my shyness in most situation. I mean I don't have a real problem starting a converstion with a complete stranger given the situation. I used to keep to myself a lot but most of the time, I'm now able to interact more freely and openly. It took me awhile to be able to do that and I'd imagine it would also take awhile to overcome this.
 

Looney

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The test for security in infants (note that measures of security differ throughout development) is the standard Strange Situation developed by Ainsworth.

Ah, i know what you're referring to now. And you're right, Asian children are often more ambivalent or resistant. I was just unsure of how you arrived that asian children are more insecure. But you're right, environment places a large role in this, especially the early years of infant-parent interaction.


Don't let my propensity to use big words and invoke empirical data and recent theories in various fields let you think otherwise. As for my background, use your imagination. Besides, it doesn't really matter. What's a piece of paper worth anyway? If you've seen an episode of Kids in the Hall where they wind up eating their degrees, you'll realize that it really makes no difference. A sad man is he who knows much but wisdom can bring happiness

Now I'm starting to really wonder what you do for a living in the real world

LOL that's what i'm curious about.


That again can have side effects in problem of personality identity. Notice I suggested a similar approach in my role-playing idea but that is more separate from reality than an online BBS where Hoeboy spends part of his normal time.

Actually, i think you are correct in your cognitive-behavioral advice. I did read your post, but for some reason i didn't take it into account when i wrote my replies. My advice comes more from intuition than anything else, and yours does appear to be a more clinical approach to the problem.

Argh, not pop psych.

LOL you sound like what i sound like to my friends or people that are into pop psych or self-help books. I would definitely agree, the vast majority of them do not base any of their theories or approaches on any real social science.

And i suppose the book could seem as if the author placed absolute values on socialization, but if you don't take it any deeper than just a book to help you interact in certain western social interactions, then i think it can be helpful. I would agree though, normally i don't like the self-helps or pop psych books... they often use analogies, gimmicky quotes, and stories (all of which this book does as well) and present it as facts and proofs. But i must admit, the book does have some sound advice.