I have no HEAT part II...If I'm selling something, would you pay me first ??

[jlee]

There's a lot of mutual respect with established traders, too..frequently the item and payment is cross-shipped, and both parties receive their item or payment around the same time.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
Let's put it this way.

"sup3rpcsales1989" with 0 heat is selling a $40 motherboard. She/he/it wants you to pay first.

Johnnie (with an insane amount of heat) is selling the same motherboard for $40. He wants you to pay first.

Who would you buy from?

That's a matter of choosing the vendor. You just asked me whether I'd choose tigerdirect.com or newegg.com, and I'd choose newegg, but even if I did choose tigerdirect, I'd expect to pay first. If I had twice the # of heat evals as Johnnie, I'd expect to pay first. If Johnnie had 20 evals, the 1989 guy had 0 heat, and I had 300 heat evals, I'd still expect to pay first.

Your argument is invalid, since both TigerDirect and Newegg are established retailers.

Assuming the prices were the same, would you buy from a brand new online computer store that you had no knowledge of -- or Newegg?

Again, you're arguing the selection of from whom to buy, but the issue is how the transaction is completed, and who dictates the terms.

*sigh*

We're not running businesses here..we use a message forum. Apples and oranges..

Sounds to me like somebody was asked to ship first, and didn't like it.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
Let's put it this way.

"sup3rpcsales1989" with 0 heat is selling a $40 motherboard. She/he/it wants you to pay first.

Johnnie (with an insane amount of heat) is selling the same motherboard for $40. He wants you to pay first.

Who would you buy from?

That's a matter of choosing the vendor. You just asked me whether I'd choose tigerdirect.com or newegg.com, and I'd choose newegg, but even if I did choose tigerdirect, I'd expect to pay first. If I had twice the # of heat evals as Johnnie, I'd expect to pay first. If Johnnie had 20 evals, the 1989 guy had 0 heat, and I had 300 heat evals, I'd still expect to pay first.

Your argument is invalid, since both TigerDirect and Newegg are established retailers.

Assuming the prices were the same, would you buy from a brand new online computer store that you had no knowledge of -- or Newegg?

Again, you're arguing the selection of from whom to buy, but the issue is how the transaction is completed, and who dictates the terms.

Afraid, I'm not following. From a seller's standpoint, Newegg has a buttload of money. I don't. $40 means a hell of a lot more to me than it does to them. Newegg can RMA stuff much easier than I can.

As a buyer, Newegg has proven they will package and send items to me in a reasonable, responsible manner.

How have you proven to me that you will give the same care and communication that newegg will? Where are my guarantees that I'll get a working product.


Once, again, I don't blame anyone for having the initial response of "no, I'm not gonna ship first". That was my first reaction. Didn't seem to make sense. Once you sit down and look at the history, however, you'll see how the system can be mutually beneficial to both parties, as well as to the trading community in general.

 

[CTrain]

If theres one thing I've learned from this thread is that most people do not trust me cause I said I have no Heatware.

Its a good thing I do have a lot of Heatwares Hehe.

 

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
Let's put it this way.

"sup3rpcsales1989" with 0 heat is selling a $40 motherboard. She/he/it wants you to pay first.

Johnnie (with an insane amount of heat) is selling the same motherboard for $40. He wants you to pay first.

Who would you buy from?

That's a matter of choosing the vendor. You just asked me whether I'd choose tigerdirect.com or newegg.com, and I'd choose newegg, but even if I did choose tigerdirect, I'd expect to pay first. If I had twice the # of heat evals as Johnnie, I'd expect to pay first. If Johnnie had 20 evals, the 1989 guy had 0 heat, and I had 300 heat evals, I'd still expect to pay first.

Your argument is invalid, since both TigerDirect and Newegg are established retailers.

Assuming the prices were the same, would you buy from a brand new online computer store that you had no knowledge of -- or Newegg?

Again, you're arguing the selection of from whom to buy, but the issue is how the transaction is completed, and who dictates the terms.

*sigh*

We're not running businesses here..we use a message forum. Apples and oranges..

Sounds to me like somebody was asked to ship first, and didn't like it.

That somebody is not named poopaskoopa. $200 bucks to ya if you can find a post of me trying to sell anything on FS/T(or on ebay, for that matter). I realized a long time ago that shipping and packing is not my thing, so I only "buy" things online.

edit: But you're right. If that was suggested to me, I'd think it's a stupid and/or arrogant idea.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: CTrain
If theres one thing I've learned from this thread is that most people do not trust me cause I said I have no Heatware.

Its a good thing I do have a lot of Heatwares Hehe.

[bullhorn]

STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE!

[/bullhorn]

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: CTrain
If theres one thing I've learned from this thread is that most people do not trust me cause I said I have no Heatware.

Its a good thing I do have a lot of Heatwares Hehe.

[bullhorn]

STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE!

[/bullhorn]

Trust me, I do

 

[imported_Mike]

Just my .02, but there are a lot of new traders that don't respect heat and disregard it as pointless. Im talking about respect, not holding it on a pedestal and worshipping it. Heat isn't perfect, but unfortunetly you can't count on people's words all the time. Heatware is there as a guidline. Ive had deals with people with 0-5 heatware, SubzeroDragN(he now has more heat than I do and has been trading for close to 2 years ) for example, that went perfectly. Ive also seen half a dozen threads in the FS/FT forum about traders with 100+ heat gone, no communication, no product/money.

Heat can't be the ultimate test when deciding to trade with someone, but it is there as a guidline. If you use some common sense, Heat, and your gut...you pretty much won't ever get trolled.

I have 105 heatware evals and I pretty much never pay/ship first to anyone with a lower amount. So to answer your question, I would not pay you first. It all depends on the situation though. You don't have to accept the first offer from some noob just b/c he/she is willing to pay your asking price. It would be worth waiting awhile until someone with a little bit of trading experience and background comes along that is interested...even if you do have to lower the price a tad. What ever makes you feel comfortable is basically what im saying.

 

[gooseman]

No

 

[vshah]

i have zero heat, and i understand if someone would want me to pay/ship first. when i do finally get around to setting up a heatware account and selling some of the stuff i have lying around, i will only trade with ppl who have respectable heat, and i will pay/ship first.

-Vivan

 

[machintos]

I started selling on this forum with only 2 heat (from another forum) and I wasn' willing to ship first.
There were some members on the forum who was willing to pay first, but I told them that I'd give them all my info (home add, number, even copy of my driver's license if needed).
Today I still don't have that many heat (16) and I still won't ship first but I'm sure there will be some members who are willing to deal with me.
I would deal with you if you could provide me some kind of peace of mind.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: machintos
I started selling on this forum with only 2 heat (from another forum) and I wasn' willing to ship first.
There were some members on the forum who was willing to pay first, but I told them that I'd give them all my info (home add, number, even copy of my driver's license if needed).
Today I still don't have that many heat (16) and I still won't ship first but I'm sure there will be some members who are willing to deal with me.
I would deal with you if you could provide me some kind of peace of mind.

This is the sort of folks that you're able to meet up with and trade with. Good on ya for asking for personal info and such. It's those type of things that -will- allow more experienced traders to feel more comfortable trading with the relatively new.

It's "ok" to refuse to ship first, for the record. Just know that you'll likely have an easier time if you can suck it up.

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: CTrain
Well, would you ??

And is Heatware overrated ??
I always see people with alot of Heatware have this I'm a somebody attitude when trading.

Replying to Topic: I have no HEAT part II...If I'm selling something, would you pay me first ??
Created On 04/06/2005 12:35 AM by CTrain

You have no heat.
You will most likely have to ship first;before I will pay you.
I have with the other info mentioned,below proven;
sent enough paypal money to pay for the shipping of an item,to a new trader,
and then was glad to give them their first heat.


Do you use paypal.
Do you have a landline,with a phone number that shows up in your real name,
which is in your profile,that I can use the online white pages to look up?
No to last question.

Have you signed up for heat,and have it linked for the lazy among us.?

Do you know how to package something so the mailman can stand on the box,and not damage what is inside?

Prove all of the above; with at least 6 references,please;and Then Maybe I will pay first.
I have good heat.

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Neutral Evals 0
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[CTrain]

Wow, I see so many people adament about their Heatware credentials.
I actually do have alot of Heatware and I just wanted to see people's reaction.
I thought maybe being a member for 4 yrs would have some credentials but only Heatwares count.

A couple of times I've sold something and I didn't even have to give my Heatware credentials and they still have no problem paying first.

 

[CTrain]

Haha, its 4-1 NOT in my favor.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: CTrain
Wow, I see so many people adament about their Heatware credentials.
I actually do have alot of Heatware and I just wanted to see people's reaction.
I thought maybe being a member for 4 yrs would have some credentials but only Heatwares count.

A couple of times I've sold something and I didn't even have to give my Heatware credentials and they still have no problem paying first.

Length of membership means nothing. I remember an established poster all of a sudden screwing a bunch of people and never being heard from again, but I cannot remember his name. I know there was a "3" in place of an "e" in his name, though.

 

[invalidiuser]

No offense to people with alot of heatware but the some of the reason why most people dont have 50 or maybe even several hundreds of heatware is because people have a life also. They don't spend all their life trading little techie toys around all day long like a job.

Once in a while I will find a something that im looking for or something that I am looking to get rid of and just do a trade or a sell. I have no time looking all day long to find something to sell or trade on here just so that I can have a lot of heatware.




Just a thought and not geared towards anyone.

 

[purplehippo]

You can always come to a compromise.

HEAT = purplehippo 415-0-0

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: invalidiuser
No offense to people with alot of heatware but the some of the reason why most people dont have 50 or maybe even several hundreds of heatware is because people have a life also. They don't spend all their life trading little techie toys around all day long like a job.

Once in a while I will find a something that im looking for or something that I am looking to get rid of and just do a trade or a sell. I have no time looking all day long to find something to sell or trade on here just so that I can have a lot of heatware.




Just a thought and not geared towards anyone.

Insulting people isn't going to make people want to trade with you.

 

[slightlyhuman]

i have 160+ positive heat. 2 neutrals and 1 negative(from when i first started trading, didn't even deserve a negative)


i don't take any chances on the forums because there are so many other people selling the same thing that either will ship first/ have tons of heat.


i would not pay you first given that you don't have any form of heat. it is nothing personal, just my ethics or trading.

better to be safe then sorry. i like to know i got in on a good deal before i send cash.

 

[slightlyhuman]

Originally posted by: invalidiuser
No offense to people with alot of heatware but the some of the reason why most people dont have 50 or maybe even several hundreds of heatware is because people have a life also. They don't spend all their life trading little techie toys around all day long like a job.

Once in a while I will find a something that im looking for or something that I am looking to get rid of and just do a trade or a sell. I have no time looking all day long to find something to sell or trade on here just so that I can have a lot of heatware.




Just a thought and not geared towards anyone.

dumbass.

i have 160 heat and counting. i have 3k+ post on this forum yet i goto college, have a gf, play soccer every sunday in a league, have my own business cutting decals/stickers, lay carpet once or twice a week and work 30+ hours for my dad. off every weekend too.


assumptions get you nowhere.

 

[Albis]

heatware helps the general public and i think it's great. the ppl that have lots of heatware and great to trade with b/c they know what they are doing and make things alot smoother.

so heatware is not needed but highly recommended in my opinion

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: CTrain
Wow, I see so many people adament about their Heatware credentials.
I actually do have alot of Heatware and I just wanted to see people's reaction.
I thought maybe being a member for 4 yrs would have some credentials but only Heatwares count.

A couple of times I've sold something and I didn't even have to give my Heatware credentials and they still have no problem paying first.

Length of membership means nothing. I remember an established poster all of a sudden screwing a bunch of people and never being heard from again, but I cannot remember his name. I know there was a "3" in place of an "e" in his name, though.

Someone with heat can all of a sudden screw someone just the same. It's better, but not all that much better. I wouldn't say length of membership means nothing.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
I certainly don't think HEAT is worthless, but this you-ship-first sh!t based on the # of evals has always seemed silly to me. That's probably some lunacy conjured up by the seasoned traders who just wanted to create a system that favors them. And to their credit, they have gotten most of the board members to buy into it, so congrats to them. Even if I'm wrong on all this, it'd still remain a pretty stupid idea because everywhere else, you're expected to pay for the merchandise before you can receive it.

this has been argued to death, and you're still wrong. if i buy something online from a store i have some routes to get compensated if i get screwed. i STILL do my research and wouldn't buy something from someone who's been known to be shady. however, if i'm buying something from ctrain and i send him 50 bucks in paypal and he keeps it without sending me anything i have NOTHING and NO WAY to get compensation other than threats. look at some of the most notorious trolls who have scammed people out of thousands if not more money and how long it's taken to get ANYTHING out of them.

and no, i would not pay ctrain first with no heat, sorry, established or not. i don't know you, and i've been scammed by an established member of this forum with little heat because i said to myself "hey, he's been around, he wouldn't just scam me and run would he?"

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
I certainly don't think HEAT is worthless, but this you-ship-first sh!t based on the # of evals has always seemed silly to me. That's probably some lunacy conjured up by the seasoned traders who just wanted to create a system that favors them. And to their credit, they have gotten most of the board members to buy into it, so congrats to them. Even if I'm wrong on all this, it'd still remain a pretty stupid idea because everywhere else, you're expected to pay for the merchandise before you can receive it.

It's all a system of trust. As the private trades are an ENTIRELY different thing than purchasing an item at the store, there is some security in knowing you're dealing with someone who will hopefully respect you and trade in a good manner, putting some thought into things like packaging, communication, etc. It's all about making things as smooth as possible and has absolutely nothing to do with "favoriing" the experienced traders.

It has nothing to do with what? Let me get this straight. So Poopa with his 4 evals wants to sell a mobo, and a longtime trader with his 300 evals tells me that I should ship my stuff first, and he'll inspect, test, and then he'll send his payment. Who's got the transaction running in his favor? Poopa, or the 300 eval guy? If you(or those who agree with you, and I'm sure there's many) don't see things this way, then you might as well put me on your do-not-trade list now because you're never going to receive anything from me until you pay and I think you're being deliberately obtuse.

done.

you're damn right it's in my favor. i've been around trading on this forum for 5 years building up my heat and i'm not going to get trolled by someone who managed to get 4 just so he could gain some trust. it's been done, and i'm not willing to take that chance. sorry. and i doubt i'm the only one who feels that way.

edit: i have traded on this forum with people with around 10 heat and paid first. why? because i poked around, checked with people they'd traded with in the past. if i recognize the names i feel much better about the deal. i also watch how they present themselves in messages. if they sound like they could care less about the deal, then i might pass. if i check their heat and 9 out of 10 evals are from people with 0 or maybe 1 or 2 heat then i wonder if that's even legit, and once again i might pass. having 100+ heat isn't necessary, but not acting like a tool is a big part of it. anyone who comes on here demanding this and that and stating they flat out will not ship first gets skipped right over, i don't even bother reading their post.