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I have found my next TV: Samsung DLP - HLP5685W

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Originally posted by: MazerRackham
About how much should this TV run for? $5000? Or more?
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MSRP:

Samsung HLP5085W 50" DLP: $4299
Samsung HLP5685W 56" DLP: $4999
JVC HD61Z575 61" DILA: $5499
JVC HD52Z575 52" DILA: $4499

Street prices, of course, will be vastly different.
 
The HD3 chip actually uses diamond shaped pixels. It allows for a smaller die size, still has 720 vertical lines but a good deal less horizontal and that is how it is cheaper. However due to the new mirror orientation, the pixelization is vitually eliminated from the picture unless you look very close. I believe TI calls this "SmoothPicture" or something to that effect. Having seen it in person I have to say it looks pretty good. You get almost the same effective resolution and a less pixelated image than standard HD2 for a lower price.

Another interesting fact : there exists another company that also makes digital mirror devices. Though they are currently fighting off TI lawsuits, their early stuff has shown superior performance for less cost (due to a higher yield process). They should have product to market soon, and who has controlling stake in the company? You guessed it...Sony.

And then of course there is all kinds of great stuff just over the horizon like solid state lighting sources, laser/vixel driven imagers (which show incredible potential to blow anything else out of the water), etc. Digital imaging is exploding.
 
Originally posted by: Mani
The HD3 chip actually uses diamond shaped pixels. It allows for a smaller die size, still has 720 vertical lines but a good deal less horizontal and that is how it is cheaper. However due to the new mirror orientation, the pixelization is vitually eliminated from the picture unless you look very close. I believe TI calls this "SmoothPicture" or something to that effect. Having seen it in person I have to say it looks pretty good. You get almost the same effective resolution and a less pixelated image than standard HD2 for a lower price.

Another interesting fact : there exists another company that also makes digital mirror devices. Though they are currently fighting off TI lawsuits, their early stuff has shown superior performance for less cost (due to a higher yield process). They should have product to market soon, and who has controlling stake in the company? You guessed it...Sony.

And then of course there is all kinds of great stuff just over the horizon like solid state lighting sources, laser/vixel driven imagers (which show incredible potential to blow anything else out of the water), etc. Digital imaging is exploding.
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You're telling me.

There must be at least 5 different people here in my group that are looking to get a RPTV. Right now the camp is split btwn LCD and DLP. Fortunately, I've convinced everyone here to avoid Sony. As for me, I'm looking forward to getting a front projector.
 
Originally posted by: Mani
The HD3 chip actually uses diamond shaped pixels. It allows for a smaller die size, still has 720 vertical lines but a good deal less horizontal and that is how it is cheaper. However due to the new mirror orientation, the pixelization is vitually eliminated from the picture unless you look very close. I believe TI calls this "SmoothPicture" or something to that effect. Having seen it in person I have to say it looks pretty good. You get almost the same effective resolution and a less pixelated image than standard HD2 for a lower price.

Another interesting fact : there exists another company that also makes digital mirror devices. Though they are currently fighting off TI lawsuits, their early stuff has shown superior performance for less cost (due to a higher yield process). They should have product to market soon, and who has controlling stake in the company? You guessed it...Sony.

And then of course there is all kinds of great stuff just over the horizon like solid state lighting sources, laser/vixel driven imagers (which show incredible potential to blow anything else out of the water), etc. Digital imaging is exploding.
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The folks at AVS seem to think the xHD3 uses diamond shaped pixels as well and much less than a true 1080p chip. Seems strange to me they would put a supposed 1920x1080 chip in the same branded family as a much lower resolution, lower cost chip.

But, I believe we discussed this earlier in this very thread.😉
 
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: Mani
The HD3 chip actually uses diamond shaped pixels. It allows for a smaller die size, still has 720 vertical lines but a good deal less horizontal and that is how it is cheaper. However due to the new mirror orientation, the pixelization is vitually eliminated from the picture unless you look very close. I believe TI calls this "SmoothPicture" or something to that effect. Having seen it in person I have to say it looks pretty good. You get almost the same effective resolution and a less pixelated image than standard HD2 for a lower price.

Another interesting fact : there exists another company that also makes digital mirror devices. Though they are currently fighting off TI lawsuits, their early stuff has shown superior performance for less cost (due to a higher yield process). They should have product to market soon, and who has controlling stake in the company? You guessed it...Sony.

And then of course there is all kinds of great stuff just over the horizon like solid state lighting sources, laser/vixel driven imagers (which show incredible potential to blow anything else out of the water), etc. Digital imaging is exploding.
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The folks at AVS seem to think the xHD3 uses diamond shaped pixels as well and much less than a true 1080p chip. Seems strange to me they would put a supposed 1920x1080 chip in the same branded family as a much lower resolution, lower cost chip.

But, I believe we discussed this earlier in this very thread.😉
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Actually, I have some crow to eat. 🙂

I have since found out that the 1080p chip will indeed have less than a full 1920x1080 resolution due to a diamond pixel array. The actual number is, if you imagine it, with diamond pixels every other line has 80% the number of pixels as the previous. So actually the number of pixels is (540x1920) + (540x1920x0.8) = 1,866,240 pixels. Not quite 2 million but not shabby either. And from all accounts I have heard it looks incredible.

In my defense, what I said was exactly what TI had told me a few months ago - it helped to talked to the technical people instead of the marketing guys since then. 🙂

This isn't out of line for the industry though. For example, most plasma televisions that claim 720p are not true 1280x720. They are 1024x768 pixel arrays with rectangular pixels.
 
Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
The folks at AVS seem to think the xHD3 uses diamond shaped pixels as well and much less than a true 1080p chip. Seems strange to me they would put a supposed 1920x1080 chip in the same branded family as a much lower resolution, lower cost chip.

But, I believe we discussed this earlier in this very thread.😉
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Actually, I have some crow to eat. 🙂

I have since found out that the 1080p chip will indeed have less than a full 1920x1080 resolution due to a diamond pixel array. The actual number is, if you imagine it, with diamond pixels every other line has 80% the number of pixels as the previous. So actually the number of pixels is (540x1920) + (540x1920x0.8) = 1,866,240 pixels. Not quite 2 million but not shabby either. And from all accounts I have heard it looks incredible.

In my defense, what I said was exactly what TI had told me a few months ago - it helped to talked to the technical people instead of the marketing guys since then. 🙂

This isn't out of line for the industry though. For example, most plasma televisions that claim 720p are not true 1280x720. They are 1024x768 pixel arrays with rectangular pixels.
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Hopefully, you get to eat some more when/if xHD3 projectors hit the market!🙂

I wonder where the recently announced 1400x1050 chip will fit into the lineup. Probably marketed toward the business sector, given the aspect ratio and rated contrast. Though, I would love to see a 2K setup for digital cinema based off two 1400x1050 chips side-by-side.:Q
 
Originally posted by: Mani
This isn't out of line for the industry though. For example, most plasma televisions that claim 720p are not true 1280x720. They are 1024x768 pixel arrays with rectangular pixels.
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That's only true with 42-43-Inch "HD" Plasma TV's, which are a small portion of the market. The 50"+ are all 1280x720 to 1366x768 native.



Originally posted by: Jigga
LOL, that stupid TV can't even do 1080i native. I'll stick with my LCD-based RPTV for the time being...
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Which cannot do 1080i native either.
 
Originally posted by: Apex
Originally posted by: Mani
This isn't out of line for the industry though. For example, most plasma televisions that claim 720p are not true 1280x720. They are 1024x768 pixel arrays with rectangular pixels.
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That's only true with 42-43-Inch "HD" Plasma TV's, which are a small portion of the market. The 50"+ are all 1280x720 to 1366x768 native.



Originally posted by: Jigga
LOL, that stupid TV can't even do 1080i native. I'll stick with my LCD-based RPTV for the time being...
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Which cannot do 1080i native either.
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Well, 788p is close enough for now.
 
Forget the Kirk. I'm waiting to audition the Samsung HLP6163W DLP TV in the next couple of weeks when they ship. I plan on waiting for the second batch so all the bugs are worked out. Tweeters wants $4,500 which I think is a fare price from a local retailer.
 
Originally posted by: FlashG
Forget the Kirk. I'm waiting to audition the Samsung HLP6163W DLP TV in the next couple of weeks when they ship. I plan on waiting for the second batch so all the bugs are worked out. Tweeters wants $4,500 which I think is a fare price from a local retailer.
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63 uses the budget HD3 chips

i was just in best buy looking at the HLP5085W compared to the HLP5063W

and i have to say the 85 looks way better

the high end are the kirk models and they have tabletop variants are the hlp5074W and hlp5674W

if you can spare the 5" i would highly recommend the hlp5674W over the hlp6163W
 
Originally posted by: mchammer187
Originally posted by: FlashG
Forget the Kirk. I'm waiting to audition the Samsung HLP6163W DLP TV in the next couple of weeks when they ship. I plan on waiting for the second batch so all the bugs are worked out. Tweeters wants $4,500 which I think is a fare price from a local retailer.
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63 uses the budget HD3 chips

i was just in best buy looking at the HLP5085W compared to the HLP5063W

and i have to say the 85 looks way better

the high end are the kirk models and they have tabletop variants are the hlp5074W and hlp5674W

if you can spare the 5" i would highly recommend the hlp5674W over the hlp6163W
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The kirk models are way better than the 63 series. Of course, the xHD3 ones will be even better, though the kirk will still have the nicer cabinets.
 
Originally posted by: mchammer187
Originally posted by: FlashG
Forget the Kirk. I'm waiting to audition the Samsung HLP6163W DLP TV in the next couple of weeks when they ship. I plan on waiting for the second batch so all the bugs are worked out. Tweeters wants $4,500 which I think is a fare price from a local retailer.
Click to expand...

63 uses the budget HD3 chips

i was just in best buy looking at the HLP5085W compared to the HLP5063W

and i have to say the 85 looks way better

the high end are the kirk models and they have tabletop variants are the hlp5074W and hlp5674W

if you can spare the 5" i would highly recommend the hlp5674W over the hlp6163W
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My wife liked the crispness of the hlp5674w picture over the old version 61 dlp that they had at the store. I thought that the 61 inch 63w would be as sharp. Maybe I should wait for the 97 series in november.
 
Originally posted by: FlashG
Originally posted by: mchammer187
Originally posted by: FlashG
Forget the Kirk. I'm waiting to audition the Samsung HLP6163W DLP TV in the next couple of weeks when they ship. I plan on waiting for the second batch so all the bugs are worked out. Tweeters wants $4,500 which I think is a fare price from a local retailer.
Click to expand...

63 uses the budget HD3 chips

i was just in best buy looking at the HLP5085W compared to the HLP5063W

and i have to say the 85 looks way better

the high end are the kirk models and they have tabletop variants are the hlp5074W and hlp5674W

if you can spare the 5" i would highly recommend the hlp5674W over the hlp6163W
Click to expand...
My wife liked the crispness of the hlp5674w picture over the old version 61 dlp that they had at the store. I thought that the 61 inch 63w would be as sharp. Maybe I should wait for the 97 series in november.
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do you know if the 77 series is different than the 74 they look to be the same maybe the 77 is the updated name

also where did you see the 74 because i am looking to purchase either the 56" kirk or the 74/77

http://www.digiupdate.com/105_DLP_RPTV.html#_Toc62794044 that does not list the 77 but your link does not list the 74 some i'm guessing they are the same


the 97 series does look excellent 61 and 73" but i can only imagine how much those will cost
i would really like to see a true 1080p capable DLP but i guess i'll be waiting a year at least probably longer and i can't wait that long
 
Got one of these in a few days ago.... the display was DOA, turns itself on and off and has lines shooting across the screen when it is on.
 
Originally posted by: Dulanic
Got one of these in a few days ago.... the display was DOA, turns itself on and off and has lines shooting across the screen when it is on.
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🙁

i hope you got it from a reputable dealer

the 50" i saw at Best Buy looked amazing even uncalibrated

i hope this isn't a QC issue either
 
Originally posted by: mchammer187
Originally posted by: FlashG
Originally posted by: mchammer187
Originally posted by: FlashG
Forget the Kirk. I'm waiting to audition the Samsung HLP6163W DLP TV in the next couple of weeks when they ship. I plan on waiting for the second batch so all the bugs are worked out. Tweeters wants $4,500 which I think is a fare price from a local retailer.
Click to expand...

63 uses the budget HD3 chips

i was just in best buy looking at the HLP5085W compared to the HLP5063W

and i have to say the 85 looks way better

the high end are the kirk models and they have tabletop variants are the hlp5074W and hlp5674W

if you can spare the 5" i would highly recommend the hlp5674W over the hlp6163W
Click to expand...
My wife liked the crispness of the hlp5674w picture over the old version 61 dlp that they had at the store. I thought that the 61 inch 63w would be as sharp. Maybe I should wait for the 97 series in november.
Click to expand...

do you know if the 77 series is different than the 74 they look to be the same maybe the 77 is the updated name

also where did you see the 74 because i am looking to purchase either the 56" kirk or the 74/77

http://www.digiupdate.com/105_DLP_RPTV.html#_Toc62794044 that does not list the 77 but your link does not list the 74 some i'm guessing they are the same


the 97 series does look excellent 61 and 73" but i can only imagine how much those will cost
i would really like to see a true 1080p capable DLP but i guess i'll be waiting a year at least probably longer and i can't wait that long
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I saw the 74 at tweaters today. I tried to call them to double check but they were closed. I'm going to nose around at AVS to see about the 77/74 thing.
 
It looks like this is want. It is expensive though.

Samsung HL-P6197W - $6,499 (retail price) - 61 inch picture - uses the xHD3 DLP engine with full 1080 x 1920 pixels supporting a native 1080p resolution. Will have a 3000:1 contrast ratio and will use a high speed 7-segment color wheel. Included is an integrated digital cable ready tuner and a CableCard slot for receiving and standard and high definition programming via cable TV or over the air. Estimated availability date is November 2004.
http://www.dtvmax.com/
 
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